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Sansa was a big fucking asshole when she said she might never want Tyrion to share her bed.
Are you fucking kidding me? Wow.

They're little more than Walking Dead zombies now that can be easily dispatched, they just look goofy to me and not threatening at all
They can shatter swords by just touching them. Not threatening? They have a weakness which can be exploited only by a rare weapon long forgotten, but if they attacked en masse the humans would be royally fucked. Anyone should see that Sam just got really, really lucky there.

Wow, is that his official appearance?
It's a fan art, but a very accurate one. Yeah, book-Daario has blue hair and a golden mustache, lol. It worked on paper to describe his over-the-top swagger, but it'd look goofy on screen.

Magister Illyrio Mopatis (the trader who brokered Dany's wedding to Khal Drogo in season 1) had a similarly "silly" look in the book, he had a "yellow forked beard" and he was monstrously fat. On screen he's portly but not over-the-top and his facial hair looks normal. Which is fine, really, it'd probably look ridiculous otherwise.

The slaver cities were a tad silly, yes. But I have to admit that I'm a bid disappointed that the robe that left the other breast bare didn't make it in. I think it was the city Dany spent the last season in. Would've made it a lot better.
Another thing that would have looked goofy on screen. I'm glad that was cut.

Overall, I think the current cast represents better the personality of the characters, than most of the fan art.
For example, Theon looks way too "handsome" there.
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Except that Theon is supposed to be handsome, and a hit with the ladies.

Jorah way too old+fat+bold, and unassuming
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Except that Jorah is supposed to look old and unattractive... derp?

I'm perplexed about Barristan Selmy (Danny's 2nd counselor):

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Wasn't he supposed to be a feared Knight / sword fighter? In that picture, he looks more like a Wizard!
...Have you read the books? Cause I really don't get your comments.

For the record I find the casting of those characters (and most of the cast really) to be totally fine. I don't care if Theon is slightly less attractive or if Jorah is more attractive, the actors are excellent and do an awesome job, of course. But it's stupid to say those artworks are less accurate than the actors, considering they're based on all the details of the books...
 
Dany freeing the slaves in Astapor was definitely more strategic than "Dragons, go". Setting up the deal and then double crossing the guy IS one of the older tricks in the book, but still, it was a pretty smart move. I mean, dragons or not, I don't think Hodor would've pulled it off. Or Joffrey or Viserys.
Actually Joffrey or Viserys would have done exactly the same as Dany has done to the slaver guy. It was just very convenient that he didn't even question it when he made the deal, just as it was convenient that Darios decided he liked her better than his two captains and was able to overcome those two as well.

My main problem with Dany is that her character progression was over in season 1. Her arc in S1 was great, you had her slowly assuming control as Khaleesi and being able to free herself from Viserys. I mean even her relationship with Drogo was very nicely portrayed. You could say it was still very convenient to be able to run into the one Khal who actually decided to take an interest in his woman and not just fuck her but there was a case to be made that she actually worked for it.

But then Dany stepped into the fire and everything changed.

You can see at the start of S2 that she is still very much like at the end of S1, which is great. She is going through some tough times and trying to keep her people alive. But once they reach Quarth she immediatelly becomes unlikeable. Her conversation with the Spice King and the fact that she overplayed her hand should have taught her that while she does have dragons she really doesn't have that much power yet. Xaro saved her for plot-related reasons and that was ok. But she pretty much continued on with her acting as a powerful Queen for the rest of the season, even when her dragons were taken away from her. Actually the moment in S2 finale when she is reunited with her dragons actually captures the 2 seasons perfectly.At the start you see the caring Dany who talks to Drogo but then then you see her tied up for 5 seconds and she easily gets out of that situation with a smug look because 'lol Dragons'.

In Season 3 Dany seems to continue on with this path. She seems a bit wiser (not revealing to the slaver that she spoke Valarian), though there was that moment when she shut Jorrah and Ser Barristan as if she knew better, but once she gets into position of advantage when she takes over the Unsullied she reverts back to simply using the dragons to get out of every situation. Her threats to Yunkai are the same, she continues on being smug simply because she has the dragons. Then finally in this episode we finally see a threat to her and hilariously it is like the slaver said, all she does is flash her tits and gets her way.

The problem here is that Dany is acting all high and mighty despite not really achieving anything nor actually resolving any difficult situation herself. Things just sort of fall to her and that's it. She is not at all comparable to the other big players in Westeros. I mean compare Robb to her, he is has won every battle, true. So you could say things are working out conveniently for him too. But yet he has been faced with difficult situations like beheading the Karstark lord or losing Winterfell. All the while he doesn't at all act like a smug little child when negotiating or around his advisors.

I would say that this can be down 2 factors, Dany being a true Targaryan and they are cruel conquerers who think too much of themselves by default or Emilia Clark's acting.

2 scenes to illustrate the point I'm trying to make can be take from the last 2 episodes Dany was in. When talking with the Yunkai lord Dany is referred to as 'Daenerys Targareay, Queen of the Andals and First Men, Khaleesi of the Dhotraki and the Mother of Dragons'. Now she is not the Queen of Andals or the First Men. Actually the only two Andals she's commanding are Jorrah and Ser Barristan. All the other don't even know she's alive and I very much doubt they'd actually welcome another Targaryan returing. She's also not the Khaleesi of the Dhotraki as the Khalasaar has moved on to find a new Khal and he will have his own Khaleesi. I now this is very minor and a nitpicking argument but it underscores how highly Dany is thinking of herself. Everyone else in the series calling himself a king actually seems to have done something to deserve it: Joeffry is, as far as people know, the heir to Robert, Stannis is the heir if Ned's accusations are true, Robb is in open rebellion with the South and in fact the South no longer controls the lands where Robb is King, Balon Greyjoy has done the same as Robb but with the Iron Islands, Mance has united the Wildlings.
Second scene is from this episode where she is being bathed by her servant. It's just such a jarring scene when you watch it and compare it to the stuff Robb, Tywin, Stannis, Jon or Arya are doing. Danny seems to be living off in luxury which she has acquired simply thanks to the dragons. It just strikes me as too much of a wanna be queen scene, where really Dany has done nothing to deserve that status yet.
 
...Have you read the books? Cause I really don't get your comments.

It's the no books thread, so probably not? anyway as TDM asked book readers shouldn't post in this thread anymore, so with that I'm out.

one last time -- feel free to PM me people with any questions you have, I won't spoil the show for you don't worry :)
 
[*]That said... what the hell had Joffrey in mind? I'm not sure if she wanted to make the wedding night a semi-public event or if he demanded droit du seigneur (ugh, just UGH).
I can answer that, but it's stuff from the book. Since I was yelled at the last time I posted exposition stuff (even though there was zero spoilers involved) I'll show restraint, but you can PM me if you want me to clarify what Joffrey was talking about.
 
Mario007 said:
It just strikes me as too much of a wanna be queen scene, where really Dany has done nothing to deserve that status yet.

But her circumstances (dragons) allow her to live in this way.

Tyrion never did anything to deserve his bankroll besides have his last name.
 
"We do not choose our destiny, but we must do our duty, no? Great or small, we must do our duty."

Great line, fantastic delivery by Stephen Dillane.
 
They can shatter swords by just touching them. Not threatening? They have a weakness which can be exploited only by a rare weapon long forgotten, but if they attacked en masse the humans would be royally fucked. Anyone should see that Sam just got really, really lucky there.

I just think they were presented much more effectively in the pilot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhonEowCBUw
now those are some mean, scary creatures out of nightmares

compare that to their more recent incarnations
White-Walkers-Game-of-Thrones-Season-2-Finale.jpg

basically, zombies with ice powers and crappy makeup
 
- Cersei is going to regret coming at Marg so soon
- Gendry, Poor bastard going to be sacrificed but what a way to go.... Ok that didn't go the way I expected.
- Didn't expect the wedding with Sansa to actually happen.
- Daenerys problems solved with her beauty, lame.
- why did you leave the weapon on the ground piggy?
 
Sam is just a fat loser.
He'd be dead if he hadn't found that lady, as he's unable to start up a simple fire.

How the hell does one leave behind a magical weapon capable of slaying behind demons?
 
I'm looing at the overhead shot on the wedding. It's that a mini pizza in front of Tyrion? lol
They called Dominos, it really is the worst wedding ever.
 
Episode was one of the best of the season even though it didn't have the number one couple in it - Jaime and Brienne.

I ship them to Essos and back.
 
Anyone else confused/annoyed at the way the show is conveying the time? I mean here we have Mel travelling all the way to Dragonstone in 2 episodes, yet Bran or Sam can't get to the wall during the whole season.
 
Are you fucking kidding me? Wow.
Except that Theon is supposed to be handsome, and a hit with the ladies.

Except that Jorah is supposed to look old and unattractive... derp?

...Have you read the books? Cause I really don't get your comments.

But it's stupid to say those artworks are less accurate than the actors, considering they're based on all the details of the books...
Since you are addressing me, and in such way: No, I obviously have not read the books.

This is the TV-adaptation only thread, so I'm commenting on what -I feel-, is the way those characters have been presented *so far*.


Might have missed, but never noticed (on the TV show) any comment on Theon being particularly handsome. Yes, he seems to be prone to prostitutes, good at bed, and apparently have a large member. But that's it. Never noticed he had royal/fancy girls claiming for him. Hell, he even "simp'd" on that girl (was Rose?) that left him.

Personally, I'm grateful that he is more "normal" looking. It somehow links to feeling being "lesser than a Stark" all his life, and moments like his ill-fated speech on Winterfell just felt better because he looks a share of stupid/easily swayed/bullied with a good dose of 'naiveness'.

At this point, I'm sure he will become relevant since the show clearly does not want us to forget about him, and now that his father might die due to the curse, he and her sister automatically becomes major assets. SPECIALLY, considering their naval expertise and the ships commanded. IF that's the case, his raise from a family-shame, to an important character would feel to me better, if he is not shown as "handsome" since the beginning. Just my thoughts.


(Again in my perception) Jorah is presented in the show as an outcast "white knight". Handsome and reliable looking, but getting old. And to me, it works because as a viewer, I can imagine that he might had had a chance with someone like Daenerys (at least early), if she had never met Khal Drogo and the story hadn't turn this way.


The TV actor looks like someone "right" for her, but at the same time someone that probably will never achieve his dream. Having and older/chubby guy, would change the feeling of sympathy, to full embarrassment. (I mean, people are calling him Jorah Fedorah already =)


As for Sir Barristan, others have already explained that the show apparently cut a lot of his adventures on the book, so I'm ok with it.
 
I got the sense that Dario joined her because he shares the same beliefs about slavery as her. He didn't like how that one guy was treating women, and told him as much.

You may be on to something there. He values his freedom above everything else and he may have had a lot of respect for someone willing to go out of their way to rescue slaves.

Dany is the most polarising character on the show. An entire spectrum of opinions from loathe to love encompasses my friendship circle and opinions I've read here and elsewhere.

She kinda sits somewhere in the middle for me. Everything about her story arc, from the narrative to Emilia Clarke's acting, is all over the place. Sometimes I really, really enjoy it. Other times I want it over and done with. The most recent episode is an example of me enjoying her story arc, and she's been a lot more fun this season. Season two, on the other hand, was not much more than filler for me. Boring filler, poorly constructed, and almost entirely forgettable.

I think ultimately what works against her and her story is that she's so disconnected from Westeros. It doesn't really matter whether we're learning about Tywin's plans, Tyrion's mischief, Sansa's misery, or Tyrell scheming at King's Landing. Rob's warmongering, Bran's mystic journey, and John Snow's exploration of the North. It's all intertwined. Something happening to one character has a ripple effect on the plot threads of other characters. That's the most enduring quality of the show/story - the great big web of schemes, alliances, betrayals, and interactions. Even if nothing happens from one event for an entire series, you know one day it will amount to something more.

For more or less everybody watching, Dany's arc is literally not much more than "I want to invade and conquer Westeros with my dragons and army". We're seeing the story of how she gets this army, but it's still totally disconnected. It doesn't matter what goes on with the Unsullied. Or the Second Sons. Or which cities she captures. Or who her dragons roast. Or if someone wants to fuck her. None of these intertwine with any other story, as it's always centred on her.

It doesn't really bother me, mind you, because I can see the significance of her story arc and why GRRM has written it. I figure her invading Westeros is a guaranty, either having happened in the books or will happen, because if it never did in TV land that would make for atrocious story telling. But the disconnect does make her plight arguably less relevant and interesting than everyone else on Westeros.

I can't agree with this. Season 1 and 3 have had Dany's and her brothers actions impacted or became intertwined with Westeros. That's why you hated season 2 of Dany's story the most so far.
 
now those are some mean, scary creatures out of nightmares

compare that to their more recent incarnations
White-Walkers-Game-of-Thrones-Season-2-Finale.jpg

basically, zombies with ice powers and crappy makeup
I do agree that creatures look scarier when they're lurking in the shadows and sometimes making them too visible take away from that.

I also agree that their faces don't look all that scary. I greatly prefer how they're described in the novels and I'm not a fan of the treebark skin look (the make-up is far from "crappy" though...).

...But they are not zombies, dude. They are sentient, intelligent and powerful creatures who are seemingly immune to normal steel weapons as they can just shatter them willy-nilly. The wights are the zombies (the reanimated corpses), not the White Walkers.
 
Since you are addressing me, and in such way: No, I obviously have not read the books.

This is the TV-adaptation only thread, so I'm commenting on what -I feel-, is the way those characters have been presented *so far*.


Might have missed, but never noticed (on the TV show) any comment on Theon being particularly handsome. Yes, he seems to be prone to prostitutes, good at bed, and apparently have a large member. But that's it. Never noticed he had royal/fancy girls claiming for him. Hell, he even "simp'd" on that girl (was Rose?) that left him.

Personally, I'm grateful that he is more "normal" looking. It somehow links to feeling being "lesser than a Stark" all his life, and moments like his ill-fated speech on Winterfell just felt better because he looks a share of stupid/easily swayed/bulled with a good dose of 'naiveness'.

At this point, I'm sure he will become relevant since the show clearly does not want us to forget about him, and now that his father my die due to the curse, he and her sister automatically becomes major assets. SPECIALLY, considering their naval expertise and the ships commanded. IF that's the case, his raise from a family-shame, to an important character would feel to me better, if he is not shown as "handsome" since the beginning. Just my thoughts.


To me, in the show, Jorah is shown as an outcast "white knight". Handsome and reliable looking, but getting old. And to me, it works because as a viewer, I can imagine that he might had had a chance with someone like Daenerys (at least early), if she had never met Khal Drogo and the story hadn't turn this way.


The TV actor looks like someone "right" for her, but at the same time someone that probably will never achieve his dream. Having and older/chubby guy, would change the feeling of sympathy, to full embarrassment. (I mean, people are calling him Jorah Fedorah already =)


As for Sir Barristan, others have already explained that the show apparently cut a lot of his adventures on the book, so I'm ok with it.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Nice response
 
OMG YOU IDIOT SAM HOW DO YOU LEAVE BEHIND THE DAGGER

.... Do you guys realize he's got a bag full of them?

Does he? Unless I'm missing something he only had one with him, not sure where they put the rest of them. Maybe he keps them in between his rolls.

God damn, how can he be such a porker up there in the wild north. Dude must cause a mass extinction of small mammals wherever he camps.
 
Anyone else confused/annoyed at the way the show is conveying the time? I mean here we have Mel travelling all the way to Dragonstone in 2 episodes, yet Bran or Sam can't get to the wall during the whole season.

Mel used horses and boats. Bran and Sam are on foot, Bran has to be carried even.
 
Since you are addressing me, and in such way: No, I obviously have not read the books.

This is the TV-adaptation only thread, so I'm commenting on what -I feel-, is the way those characters have been presented *so far*.
Okay, but those artworks were drawn long before the TV show, so are obviously based on the books. You can certainly say "I prefer the way X looks in the show" (and in many cases I'd agree) but it just seems strange to say that the actors represent the characters better than those artworks, when those artworks were drawn long before the show being made was even considered...

Edit: It'd kinda be like saying Jean Claude Van Damme looks like a better Guile than the artwork... xD
 
...But they are not zombies, dude. They are sentient, intelligent and powerful creatures who are seemingly immune to normal steel weapons as they can just shatter them willy-nilly. The wights are the zombies (the reanimated corpses), not the White Walkers.

on that note, is the blue-eyed girl in the video I linked a wight or a white walker? I could never quite figure that out
 
OMG YOU IDIOT SAM HOW DO YOU LEAVE BEHIND THE DAGGER

.... Do you guys realize he's got a bag full of them?

Does he though?
Even if he does, he runs away with [the lady that's with Sam] without that bag.

Strike two for that fatty >:(
If he had given that dagger to her, I'm sure she'd have killed the white walker and brought it with her.

Sam the Stupid is too stupid for that though.
 
on that note, is the blue-eyed girl in the video I linked a wight or a white walker? I could never quite figure that out
A wight. If they look human, they're wights. If they have strange treebark skins and crystal looking weapons, they're the White Walkers, creatures thought to be long extinct.
 
Does he though?
Even if he does, he runs away with Tarly without that bag.

Strike two for that fatty >:(
If he had given that dagger to her, I'm sure she'd have killed the white walker and brought it with her.

Sam the Stupid is too stupid for that though.
Tarly is him. He's Samwell Tarly.

And yes, he's got a bunch of them. He got them back in Season 2, so it'd be fair to assume he's got them all. Obsidian is just glass, it doesn't weight much.
 
Speaking of GoT Art:
I illustrated Sam over 8 years ago and I thought it was funny that the depiction looked quite close to the actor they picked in the show. Or maybe it's just me..

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Does he though?
Even if he does, he runs away with Tarly without that bag.

Strike two for that fatty >:(
If he had given that dagger to her, I'm sure she'd have killed the white walker and brought it with her.

Sam the Stupid is too stupid for that though.

What the fuck are you even saying here?
 
What the fuck are you even saying here?

She's more competent than Sam?
He hasn't done anything useful up until that point, she's the one starting up fires and everything (whilst carrying a baby).
She's clearly street smart enough to not leave behind a weapon that just destroyed a weird-ass ice person with one stab.
 
sort of spoiler

C'mon, some of us are in the process of reading the books and haven't gotten to that part yet (I'm part way into book 3 and haven't read the part you just described, for example). Sure, watching the show spoils most things for the books but since that was handled differently in the show there's no reason to spoil part of the book. I mean, "no book spoilers" seems self explanatory. Differences between the two formats may pave way for something else in the show...who knows, maybe the scene you described makes an appearance?

There's a book spoiler thread if you want to describe differences between the book and the show.
 
She's more competent than Sam?
He hasn't done anything useful up until that point, she's the one starting up fires and everything (whilst carrying a baby).
She's clearly street smart enough to not leave behind a weapon that just destroyed a weird-ass ice person with one stab.

The weapon didn't do anything before Sam shoved it into his back. Show some respect.
 
The weapon didn't do anything before Sam shoved it into his back. Show some respect.

Just a lucky strike, not a result of skill or wisdom. He just happened to have it on him and had just lost his sword.
I'm sure she'd (or anyone else really) have killed the white walker off just as well if all she had on her was that dagger.

Double checked, he runs away without said bag of invaluable daggers.
Why is he so stupid? :(
 
Just a lucky strike, not a result of skill or wisdom. He just happened to have it on him and had just lost his sword.
I'm sure she'd (or anyone else really) have killed the white walker off just as well if all she had on her was that dagger.

Double checked, he runs away without said bag of invaluable daggers.
Why is he so stupid? :(

If he had used "wisdom" he would have bailed the fuck out of there, like every other person that's seen a white walker on the how; as far as he knew the obsidian dagger was just a pretty piece of glass. The guy saved the day, end of story.
 
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