Kos Luftar
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Does he not know about Denarys or does he just think that she isn't a threat?
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Does he not know about Denarys or does he just think that she isn't a threat?
I get the impression that they only know about her at Kings Landing because of spy work.
The other 3 have declared themselves Kings that's why he calls them usurpers.
Kos Luftar
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Hasn't she declared herself queen of the 7-kingdoms?
I guess it doesn't matter when Stannis is not there to hear it.
I don't know how you get that. There have been inclinations throughout this whole endeavor. And, last episode, I almost thought he was going to go through with it. He was mulling it over as she undressed and he almost let her finish undressing. You could tell he was struggling with it.
[edit]Also, his whole "plan" seems like he's getting greedy here. He wants to have Sansa and Shae too. Like he took Bronn's advice to heart instead of trying to figure a way out of this scenario.
I don't think anyone aside from a few people in Kings Landing even know about Daenarys. And they all pretty much consider her a non factor.
Remember in the first season, when Robert told Ned Daenarys lived and was marrying Khal Drogo, he said a teenage girl marrying a Dothraki horselord is hardly a concern.
And then Varys and Tyrion were discussing the birth of her dragons etc.
If they even found out about her, they probably have no clue she's been wanting to invade Westeros and reclaim the kingdoms for the Targaeryans. I just wish she'd hurry up and get there already.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I thought the assassins sent after her were from people in Westeros, in S1 and then recently.
I think Stannis is aware of her existence, but nobody is actually concerned about her because she's miles away on another continent. Also, for all they know she's alone with her dragons since Jorah stopped giving information to Varys.
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I thought it was Robert who sent them? Remember, Ned advised him against it, but he still went through with it. That's why they had that whole fight.
I'm assuming it was through Varys that he did it. So it could be that only the small council and King and Hand of the King really know about Daenarys. Recently, I think the assassin was because she killed that warlock in Qarth no?
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Why what happened?
Necromanti
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I take it (s)he read the books.
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Kadayi
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No, you're confusing misogyny for sexism. They're quite distinct in terms of qualification.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogyny
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.
Contempt for women falls more under sexism: -
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexism
1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination directed against women.
My take is that Tyrion was actually drunk & being miserable about the whole situation. That played on him having such a defiant reaction to Joffrey's intentions.
But he is experienced with wine (his "god of wine and tits"), and as Lannister(rich) imp he probably has been through a lot of problematic situations in such state. So at that point, his mind was lucid enough to put that extra drunk act, and be able to take away Sansa from there.
I would assume that Stannis knows. Even being that far, the story of ransacking 2 major cities and having an army of Unsullied + Dragons should start to make the rounds already. And his navy used to include pirates. Don't know if Dragonstone has any maritime commerce going on, but given it's position, might be the case. Otherwise, how they would get food/weapons?
But even if he does not, Melisandre should. I mean, she seems to know a lot, and didn't she aided him to have a future vision about a battle with the White walkers? Surely that "revelation" would include Daenerys somehow.
Yeah, Robert through Varys sent the merchant guy to try and poison Dany. And Jorah was a spy for Varys too, before he decided to quit.
And I think the little girl worked for/was a warlock, because she had the purple/blue lips like them.
This is my biggest gripe about Season 3.
The warlock subplot was introduced in the first episode of this season and hasn't been mentioned at all since.
Ignatz Mouse
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He was already called out.
But if the book readers would just shut the hell up about it then no one would be any the wiser.
If after Theon killed Roderick, had someone posted "fuck Theon, I hope he gets his cock cut off" it wouldn't have merited a second glance. I mean, if you haven't read the books, it's not a spoiler until it happens is it?
But because every third post is "jeez, looks like people can't help posting spoilers as 'speculation' *rollseyes*" everybody gets fucking paranoid and starts questioning every other post.
If people are blatantly posting spoilers then yes, they should be removed from the thread but what's going to fix this thread isn't upping the witch hunt, it's book readers just backing off and letting it play out.
Fucking hell Samwell Tarly, you just killed an undead monster that shattered your blade with his hand using a relic of a weapon... AND YOU JUST LEAVE IT BEHIND!? Whyyyy why would you abandon the one thing that has helped you defeat that shit? I know you're panicky and shit but I would want what could protect me and it was right by your fucking feet. Pick that shit up and fucking never let it out of arms reach again. I needed to rewatch it and look at the wikipedia episode synopsis to confirm that he just left it there because I would not believe it.
Ignatz Mouse
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Which is why I post so little in this thread.
I want this clarified in the next episode.
Lol, it's Sam. Of COURSE he left it there!
It blew my mind he did not get it, especially since that thing destroyed his blade so he's pretty much walking around with no protection there. I'm trying to think how I would be in that situation, panicky, terrified or whatever but I cannot comprehend just leaving behind a zombie shattering weapon like that, shit is pokemon level super effective.
Anyhow it was quite satisfying seeing him man up and protect them, was proud of that craven oaf :')
(until he ditched the dagger! hopefully next episode he has it somehow and that was just a filming error or something)
robotzombie
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I think you are wasting your time on that gripe. I don't think that was ever meant to be a subplot. I think it was just a way to link back to the repercussions of Danys actions of last season, the fact that with all this power and attention she is going to be in danger/have enemies, and a good way to introduce selmy and show that he's on her side.
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Because Sam's character arc so far has been whine, whine, fail, mope, whine, bitch out of everything, whine, fail, mope, complain, fail, whine, etc, making him a terribly unlikable and unsympathetic character who does little more than make the passing time more difficult for everybody around him.
So him fucking something as simple as this up makes perfect sense!
Actually that would be more reason for Stannis to know about Daenerys/Vyseris as he was Hand of the King before Ned. She wasn't really a threat then though...
robotzombie
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Wait wha? Stannis was hand of the king? I thought Jon arryn was the hand for Robert?
Remember that Westeros does NOT have mass communication. They have ravens, but those take time and can be lost for various reasons.
It takes a very long time for a messenger to get information from one end of the continent to the other, much less over a sea. Months, or more.
Dany's dragons are still whisper and rumor at this stage, much like the White Walkers. Some smarter people may be gearing up, but the majority of people look at them like conspiracy theories.
After all, even in today's day and age, if someone came up to you in 2000 and said that a bunch of religious fanatics who formerly worked with the US would work out a plan in a compound in Pakistan to launch the greatest attack on the the US via box cutters...what would be your response?
It takes a very long time for a messenger to get information from one end of the continent to the other, much less over a sea. Months, or more.
Dany's dragons are still whisper and rumor at this stage, much like the White Walkers. Some smarter people may be gearing up, but the majority of people look at them like conspiracy theories.
After all, even in today's day and age, if someone came up to you in 2000 and said that a bunch of religious fanatics who formerly worked with the US would work out a plan in a compound in Pakistan to launch the greatest attack on the the US via box cutters...what would be your response?
No she hasn't. She referred to herself only once as the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and that was only in the presence of a Yunkai noble. She hasn't actually declared that she wants the throne officially. I mean sure, she has an army and chances are she will want to go to Westeros and try to usurp Stannis' claim but she hasn't actually done it. Stannis seems to be very black and white in his vision of the world, so until Dany claims the train she isn't a usurper. When she does, then he'll deal with her.
Jon Arryn was the previous hand, yes. It was his death that prompted Bobby B to go up North to get Ned to help him out.
Re the Hands of the King, I think this is the full list:
King-Hand
Aerys Targaryan- Tywin Lannister
Robert Baratheon- Jon Arryn, Ned Stark
Joffrey Baratheon- Tywin Lannister, Tyrion Lannister (technically), Tywin Lannister
Aerys had a shortlived Hand or two after Tywin buggered it out of Kingslanding before the Rebellion, but they really aren't worth mentioning.
You have to remember, this was done very quickly. They don't have the spy network of the Spider, not to mention even Varys would've had trouble getting word out so quickly. Even a Raven would've taken several days to fly out of Kings Landing to Riverrun and since they had departed, they'd need to dispatch a rider to carry the news in person.
sammyCYBORG
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Yeah, this does seem odd, though they are preoccupied by the wedding at The Twins. And it seems like the wedding was just Tywin's doing, he orchestrated it himself and it seems, pretty quickly too. So getting someone to Robb with that news would probably take a while depending on distance etc.
^ More eloquently explained by Tacitus.
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Yeah I think he has to follow a pretty strict set of rules if he wants help from the Lord of Light too. Just like Baeric said, it wasn't his place to make judgement, and he'd let the Lord of Light decide The Hound's fate.
On that note, Baeric must not be a very good swordsman if he's already died in battle 6 times in the last year. Even if you take away deaths by The Mountain and Hound, that's still 4 other battles he's lost.
IAmtheFMan
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His k/d ratio has to completely suck. He's gotta be coming close to rage-quitting at this point.
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Ohh, is that the association? The leech on Gendry's penis = bye bye Theon's?
Clever if that's the case..
I don't think so...especially since it had already happened.
Even on Facebook Stannis is the best.
To be honest, I have trouble keeping track on when these events are occurring. Are they all happening at the same time or we are just seeing slices spread from different moments?
As others have said, some characters seem to be traveling faster than others.
Also, I'm surprised that the Hound could evade the Brotherhood that easily. Somehow assumed they were experts on tracking/pursuing, and the Clegane are anything but "subtle".
That's a good question. I've always assumed that the show is showing us everything as it occurs in chronological order for the most part. Some of the timelines wouldn't make a whole lot of sense though as far as, for example, like Melisandre's travel time from leaving Dragonstone ---> getting Gendry ---> and returning to Dragonstone. All of that seems to take place within 2 or 3 episodes? I'm pretty sure that would take a decent amount of actual time to complete that whole journey.
Even when you read the books it is still sort of fuzzy as far as trying to line up the timelines of the different characters, although I believe it is chronological (except for books 4 and 5).
It STILL freaks me out thinking about his eyes popped out and dehydrated in the first episode.
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