If it allows integration we will move from Yahoo to this. We are not tied to Yahoo in any way.
I will also say with this move it has already sold 2 consoles to my buddies who have never bought a console.
MS deal with NFL supposedly cost $400 Million
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If it allows integration we will move from Yahoo to this. We are not tied to Yahoo in any way.
I will also say with this move it has already sold 2 consoles to my buddies who have never bought a console.
Basileus777
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20? Maybe 5 years ago.
Bleedorang3
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I'd wager that they're still heavily invested in both. We'll see at E3 though.
Knowing MS I'm gonna bet they'd throw money out there to get people excited. Also, I had three leagues on three different sites. This won't stop me from making a forth.
We have already talked about switching over considering the 10 person league I have been in for 15 years all has an Xbox currently and sounds as if they will get the Xbox One.
LyleLanley
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Just because they paid for this doesn't mean that they won't be making games. Just like Sony will surely advertise with some other sport yet they'll continue to make games.
MikeE21286
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Just wondering. Many people I know are staunch in their fantasy platform of choice. Personally all my leagues are on ESPN (2) and Yahoo (1). I know none of the members would move, especially for this.
Yeah, I think they'd have to have deals with all of the major fantasy websites, in addition to this NFL deal. ESPN might get integrated, the other 2 (CBS and Yahoo) seem to have little relationship with MS (especially Yahoo, which has a large fantasy userbase).
BibiMaghoo
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No one said anything about not having any more money, simply that this money could have been put to much better use making games for their new games console.
Calm yourself dude, the cracks are showing.
BruiserBear
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$400 million for what? Fantasy sports integration?
There has to be more to this. What they showed yesterday had a very limited appeal to this NFL fan. Direct TV already allows you to overlay fantasy info on the screen during games.
There has to be more to this. What they showed yesterday had a very limited appeal to this NFL fan. Direct TV already allows you to overlay fantasy info on the screen during games.
Don't they have 15 exclusives coming within the first year?
Do people believe that this console won't have games?
NFL is huge man.
Throw this on a bullet point, mix inf Fifa co-marketing...
MS knows what it's doing.
Taco_Human
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I thought Europe were fans of Soccer(real football), not the NFL
There is if you look up at the last page. This allows MS to put tablets on the fields during the games and have MS pretty much be the data analysis/center for the NFL.
Dude Abides
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This could have been a huge deal if it was actual meaningful content, like exclusive game broadcasts. But it appears to just be a bunch of goofy peripheral shit.
I can already track my fantasy team in real time on my tablet, and I bet it only works if your league is on NFL.com, not Yahoo or CBS or ESPN.
I can already track my fantasy team in real time on my tablet, and I bet it only works if your league is on NFL.com, not Yahoo or CBS or ESPN.
FUBAR McDangles
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I would love if it included some type of Sunday Ticket type deal where we can watch all NFL games. That would be fantastic. I'm not getting my hopes up much, but I'm excited. I love me some NFL.
Penguins&PolarBears
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The deal includes heavy promotion of Microsoft products on all NFL games.
The deal is far more extensive than just the Xbox TV stuff. All NFL coaches are getting Surface tablets and will be seen on the sidelines with them, all NFL computers are being upgraded to new Windows machines, ads for Windows and other products will run during the games.
The deal is far more extensive than just the Xbox TV stuff. All NFL coaches are getting Surface tablets and will be seen on the sidelines with them, all NFL computers are being upgraded to new Windows machines, ads for Windows and other products will run during the games.
BibiMaghoo
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Yeah, they said that, though I was under the impression not all 15 were in the first year.
But that could mean 12 throwaway kinect titles, and a couple of actual 'proper' games. It could also mean 12 AAA titles, and some arcade stuff.
Until they break it down further, it is just a number that could relate to a poor showing of games, or a good one.
Edit: Also my original point was that no one outside the US gives a monkey fuck about the NFL. It is only relevant to US customers, which means that all the UK customers (there second biggest market) gain nothing from this deal. $400M spent on games would have given them something as well.
I agree with you in the first year, but more integration will come as with anything. If I can have all my Fantasy buddies on Skype during a game that are not close, overlayed on top of everything we can both see. Well that is pretty huge for us to be able to share that together.
So evidently this won't be coming to them. Why are posters complaining about that?
yeah i saw, it looked horrible
no one wanted some real time tv show/game hybrid
we wanted alan wake 2
and here i was touting Remedy as being an awesome dev studio
Man-is-Obsolete
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For comparison Sony straight out bought Gaikai for less. Yea.
Uncle Rupee
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If Microsoft didn't have infinite budget the Xbox couldn't exist.
They lost $4 billion dollars on the original Xbox during its 4 year life span.
They lost $4 billion dollars on the original Xbox during its 4 year life span.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Worldwide sales figures
Wii 99.84 million as of 31 March 2013
PlayStation 3 70 million as of 4 November 2012 (IDC January 2013 estimate: "about 77 million")
Xbox 360 74.94 million as of 31 December 2012
Japan sales figures
Wii 12.71 million as of 31 March 2013
PlayStation 3 6.3 million as of 1 April 2011
Xbox 360 1.6 million
Europe sales figures
Wii 49.37 million as of 31 March 2013
PlayStation 3 24.23 million as of December 2010
Xbox 360 23.73 million as of December 2010
United States sales figures
Wii 47.75 million as of 10 August 2010
PlayStation 3 - 39.6 million as of 14 April 2010
Xbox 360 39.4 million as of 31 December 2009
Assuming Microsoft retains similar sales numbers in the US, it would still have to sell very close to what it currently sold abroad in order to at least retain it's number one spot.
Survival on just USA might be possible if the console is budgeted properly to survive just on that market, but if it wants to stay on top it is proper fucked.
How is that a comparison? NFL is followed by hundreds of millions of people a year. Gaikai maybe in the 100 thousands at most? Your return on investment with back-end data centers and computing power will return faster with the NFL deal.
biggersmaller
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It would be a strategic use of $400 million if it were gaining exclusivity of all NFL games (like Madden).
But this? This is hardly an impressive deal.
But this? This is hardly an impressive deal.
I think it's super smart to get tied to the NFL in some capacity, but the implementation seems a bit weak. Most everyone uses ESPN or Yahoo for fantasy football, don't they? I'm sure this will require you to play the official NFL.com version (I assume one exists) to even utilize it.
I think the point people are making here is that Microsoft aren't allowed to do anything that appeals/markets to the US customer base.
You whined about them spending money on something that a large chunk of their userbase will eat up. They will still put money towards games; why can't they do both?
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I am calm.
zomgbbqftw
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The problem is that the Premier League would demand £100m per year alone and then so would all the other leagues. A system like this is just unworkable in Europe, and just shows Microsoft's lack of understanding when it comes to fragmented markets like Europe. It's also why they failed with Xbox.
MikeE21286
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Wow, those are kind of old to use as benchmarks.
That's right about when MS really started pulling away in the US.
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Thanks. So basically USA is 311 million. EU top 5 is roughly the same. So Microsoft would lose about 50% of their base. Thanks again.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
It was all I could find on short notice ;_; my google fu is weak today, besides the world wide sales figures are only 6 months old so you can kind of extrapolate on the other numbers just based on those.
Gez your a mad man a mad Mad man ...
Your talking about games ? Games ? Not TV TV TV ? Your so out of touch with game systems why would an XBOXONE videoGAME system needs games for ?
Crazy crazy idea u had there so glad they are doing the right thing and inventing something named TV never heard of it befor ... Pffff lol games what a crazy idea lol
lol it's a joke I agree 1000% with you so many games they would of been able to make its sad actually they pick going the TV pvr way way above the games too bad for us gamers in the long run
It'd be well worth doing for the premier league and champions league. Premier league would not cost as much as you'd think as they're at a point where people are starting to get tired of the league.
Sanctuary
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If it's Sqaure/Enix? Two or three. If it's CDProjekt? Probably thirty.
While I agree and who knows how well it will be. The prize is being able to advertise and have the presence of tablets/tech and show that the NFL uses Microsoft on the sidelines. That will be shown in every game on TV including the Superbowl where prices for Ads are massive. If this is a multi-year deal they will have no problem making their investment back.
LyleLanley
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We barely saw anything and you're already saying it looked horrible? I'll admit it looked odd but Remedy has garnered enough good will with me that I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at least until we see more.
Razgriz-Specter
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People saying "this is stupid and they should be doing stuff for Europe" etc
Its looking like MS is going to have a struggle even in the US so this is a good decision for them.
That said im still not buying it even with how much I love NFL.
Its looking like MS is going to have a struggle even in the US so this is a good decision for them.
That said im still not buying it even with how much I love NFL.
Uncle Rupee
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$400 million isn't even that much to blow over 5 years.
There was a thread recently about an old Nintendo VHS presser, and they talked about spending more than $100 million in just the latter half of 1996 on tv ads for Super NES and GameBoy games.
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400 Million that could have been spent creating unique games.
Dude Abides
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I don't think so. If I want to watch a game with people I'll meet up with local friends in a bar or at someone's house. Us all sitting around staring at each other on Skype while the game plays in a tiny corner of the screen sounds pretty horrible.
Bottom line is the NFL couldn't agree to give MS anything both exclusive and meaningful without pissing off their current broadcast partners and probably violating their agreements.
Drop in the ocean for MS, come the fuck on. That's nothing for them and it's not as if they hadn't reached similar deals for Euro (Or at least UK) audiences. http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/Live/Sky
I'm sure they'll reach some type of deal for Champion's League/Europa League access and everyone complaining now will fall all over themselves with praise.
I'm sure they'll reach some type of deal for Champion's League/Europa League access and everyone complaining now will fall all over themselves with praise.
400 Million that could have been spent creating unique games.
Aww...Microsoft is now broke and can't make unique games for you now that they did this. Fuck outta here.
Ninja Scooter
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if it includes co-branding (i.e. tons of XboxOne ads during games and at stadiums) of some kind then it's a pretty huge deal potentially for MS. The actual features though I'm not so sure will be all that huge, but anytime you can align yourself with the NFL in America it's a big deal. $400 million big? Not so sure.
MikeE21286
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Uncle Rupee
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400 Million that could have been spent creating unique games.
As if the Xbox wasn't going to have a massive marketing budget to begin with.
It's a smart move imo, even if I don't give a shit about American sports.
I'm sure they could easily put aside a billion dollars just in marketing the thing.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
My problem with this is that people can do the exact same thing with a smartphone/iPad/PC without taking up any real estate on the TV screen and without an Xbox One.
It isn't unprecedented--just another way to do what millions can already do.
It isn't unprecedented--just another way to do what millions can already do.
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