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Microsoft's E3 presser should be fine so long as the third-party titles they show look graphically impressive (even if they're running off PCs coded to PS4-spec and not X1 spec - as disingenuous as that might be) and the first-party titles highlight gameplay application of the X1's advantages - i.e. cloud-based updates, Kinect 2.0 - in meaningful ways that can't be dismissed as a mere gimmick.

A non-CGI in-engine teaser trailer for the next Gears/Halo title couldn't hurt, either.

They won't be able to beat Sony in a graphic fidelity war as that's evidently a losing battle for them... but they can at least throw up enough smoke & mirrors to convince most of the ignorant gamers tuning in that they're technically equivalent.

That being said, I would pay anything to see Sony go balls-to-the-wall 1990s era "Sega attack ads against Nintendo" aggressive with their marketing this fall.

 

[szaromir]

^^^^Yes, because Killzone and Infamous are going to be the only games shown at E3 by Sony. Also people need to stop hating on Infamous a true next gen open world super hero game may impress more than you think.

If you think that Xbox games are going to equal the fidelity of Sony's 1st party output on a superior spec machine you sir are crazy. I wouldn't be shocked if 3rd party games look better, but we won't find that out till launch.

Talk about missing the point. Infamous and Killzone are known properties that didn't set the world on fire. I'm sure there are serving their audience so they keep making them, but other than that they're irrelevant in the greater scheme of things.

The consoles' specs are set in stone and everybody knows PS4 offers higher performance. You can still make good-looking content on Xbone that interests people; if MS has such content in works, then they need to be confident about it and show it the world, regardless of what Sony are doing. Kinda like Nintendo's games on 3DS have wider appeal than Sony's games on Vita despite lower specced hardware.

 

[Brashnir]

BGB GDDR5

Seriously though theirs a power difference, Sony's devs like ND,GG,PD,SM are very good with graphics and some teams have had a long time (2 years or more). Sony's 1st party is also able to pump more games out but like you siad thats not indicative of the future as its just an assumption.

There's a difference, but it's not nearly as big as the internet at large is making it out to be. It's less than Xbox vs PS2. It's less than N64 vs PS1. It's less than SNES vs Genesis. And since most people will be watching on crappy compressed internet streams, I'm not sure the difference will really even be noticable. I fully expect both of them to have some great looking games from their first parties, and third parties will show identical demos for both.

 

[abadguy]

It certainly won't be like WiiU, nothing against that system. But nothing they showed at the reveal looked great. Forza 5 looked good, but it looked like 4. And was it even real? But my point was, if Sony's games look a lot better, it may hurt Xbox One.

So you say it looks like Forza 4 but then question if it's real gameplay? So are you saying that you believe the X1 won't be able to produce graphics as good as the 360? Maybe i misunderstood your post.

 

[Patryn]

Not necessarily, but more that people on the fence may switch to PS4 because of it. That is not that crazy of an idea. Especially when you consider free online play, etc.

And that's why the PS3 just blew the 360 out of the water in the US.

Oh wait...

But seriously, the XBone is in a deep hole, but I believe you're vastly overestimating the difference between it and the PS4. Most people are saying that they're far closer than the PS3 and the 360 were, and the best PS3 games didn't look that dramatically different from the best 360 games.

Also: Traditionally it's almost never been the most powerful system that has won a generation.

The XBone will fail due to losing its focus on games that it had for the 360, not because of graphics.

 

[Piper Az]

I think a certain part of the gaming community is looking the absolute best graphics in the next-gen and will do DF-like comparison to say "PS4 or XB1 is the winner!!!". But, I also think there are lot of gamers (probably non-gaffers) who want "great-graphics" but also looking for a new and innovative gaming experience. Whether the new Kinect or PS4 sharing or some on-line functionalities will meet this demand is uncertain.

 

[StreetsAhead]

It's almost cute that people sincerely (I assume) believe they won't cover non-gaming features at all. This is the company that showed a Prometheus trailer and an Usher concert last year.

At the very least, Kinect-only games (like Xbox Fitness) will take up a good portion of time.

 

[N30RYU]

If MS's E3 is all about games could have a chance 'cause sony still needs to show the PS4 and some of the conference will be also Vita related.

If MS spend some of the e3 time showing again media features of the Xbox One wioll make him go downhill

 

[Stoffinator]

So you say it looks like Forza 4 but then question if it's real gameplay? So are you saying that you believe the X1 won't be able to produce graphics as good as the 360? Maybe i misunderstood your post.

I said it just looked like Forza 4. Nothing blew me away. Didn't really look any different IMO. Same was the new Infamous Sony showed. Never said the X1 would not be able to produce graphics better than the 360. I think both systems will be almost identical. It will come down to multi-platform games.

But Sony's first party will be a huge difference in graphics. That more powerful RAM and more power will certainly make a difference. Even if a game like Killzone is not a huge seller like Halo or COD it certainly won't look good for X1.

 

[dragonflys545]

I bet they will show more crap on TV and Kinect.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Holy shit that's beautiful. Which system is that on? I really hope it's not Xbox done since I really don't want to support that system this gen.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

And that's why the PS3 just blew the 360 out of the water in the US.

Oh wait...

But seriously, the XBone is in a deep hole, but I believe you're vastly overestimating the difference between it and the PS4. Most people are saying that they're far closer than the PS3 and the 360 were, and the best PS3 games didn't look that dramatically different from the best 360 games.

Also: Traditionally it's almost never been the most powerful system that has won a generation.

The XBone will fail due to losing its focus on games that it had for the 360, not because of graphics.

If anything Xbox 360 benefitted from launching early and got superior ports for much of the generation. So the PS3 was not the best in terms of development. This time they are both launching at the same time and both using the same pc architecture and PS4 has indisputably more power and mature dev environment. That's a pretty good recipe.

 

[DBT85]

Holy shit that's beautiful. Which system is that on? I really hope it's not Xbox done since I really don't want to support that system this gen.

That is PS4. The game is Killzone Shadow Fall and it was played live on stage at the PS Meeting in February.

Here is all 8:32 of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjQ4DJXLzw

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

I think they are aware of this so round two of everyone's worse nightmare will happen at E3, a heavy focus on Kinect games and Kinect integration. That and they will trot out their money hatted games to try and impress people, most notably Respawn's game.

...even Ryse become controller-based game

 

[trmas]

Last time, MS had their stuff together. They were at least 8 months ahead of Sony, had the easier platform to develop for, and developers raved about what they were doing. Sony had nothing but in house games, and some very bad third party ports - because it was hard to squeeze the power out of this system.

This time, Sony has the lead, at least 6 months if rumors are true, developers love the machine and the software environment, and KZ was playable months ago, as was Knack. Can't wait to see what they've accomplished since then.

MS appears ready from the outside looking in, but the development community is certainly not. I have no doubt that their internal teams will show something, but just what remains to be seen.

 

[Clear]

The success of the 360 was most likely down to a whole number of advantages, none of which were that critical in themselves, working in conjunction to create to allow the platform to reach critical mass.

Look at all these things that 360 had over PS3:

1. First mover advantage. (Over a year in some territories)
2. Price point advantage.
3. Relative ease of development. (Truly a gift that kept on giving)
4. Best and most fully implemented online system strategy.
5. Gamerscore and achievements as an industry-wide USP.
6. Laser focus on gaming, particularly the all important core gamer segment.
7. Massive broad-spread support from the enthusiast media (aggravated by Sony's arrogance).
8. Good luck picking/promoting new IP (Epic's Gears of War succeeded, F5's Lair tanked).
9. The ability to unceremoniously drop XBox and focus solely on the 360. (Sony had PS2 and PSP to promote)
10. Less direct competition from Wii. In terms of demographic crossover Nintendo's huge success impinged more on Sony's market than that covered by 360.

Now ask yourself how many of these advantages apply to Xbone?

 

[Gouty]

Based on the way the industry is going I don't think it would matter if the Xbone didn't play games at all.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

...even Ryse become controller-based game

Sorry I meant it in terms of how much stage time is devoted to it. Kinect will become that big chunk nobody cares about. I expect Sony to be boneheaded and have a similar thing for Move. Remember wonderbook....yea

 

[Ninja Moomin]

i mean because the alternative is going head to head with sony in-house exclusives, games vs games .. and i don't like those odds.. i mean not even considering the hardware advantages ps4 has for game related activities.

seriously they will have to highlight why they went down this path, and again underline why having a windows OS in the thing is worthwhile as a entertainment box .. because otherwise, assuming ps4 1st party stuff looks way better on stage ( a big if i guess considering launch sw is not pushing a consoles limits at all, but then again we are hearing ps4 dev environments are in a better sate too ..) ... what will MS say when asked point blank why the visual difference ?


i mean really ...the tv and browser , skype snap-in features are a major driver for XB1 ... and they wont talk to that at e3? ... not a chance in hell of that happening, it's what makes xb1 different

anyways will be interesting to see how much time each company dedicates to multimedia functions. sony could really fuck it up by going too far trying to show they do video/etc as well.

Not sure what the killzone gif is meant to achieve before we have seen a first party FPS on X1?

COD was clearly not the peak of any sort of next gen engine - BF4 trounces it.

E3 is about the games, they will mention the broader capability, of course as they are part of the package.... but they will focus on games

 

[Binabik15]

And that's why the PS3 just blew the 360 out of the water in the US.

Oh wait...

But seriously, the XBone is in a deep hole, but I believe you're vastly overestimating the difference between it and the PS4. Most people are saying that they're far closer than the PS3 and the 360 were, and the best PS3 games didn't look that dramatically different from the best 360 games.

Also: Traditionally it's almost never been the most powerful system that has won a generation.

The XBone will fail due to losing its focus on games that it had for the 360, not because of graphics.

Are those the same people who get confused with "50% more" and "33% less"?

The PS4'S GPU is half again as powerful as Xboxo's (sorry, Xboxo sounds more friendly and is fun to write). There's ~2 whole 360s of power more in PS4's GPU. That's a lot.

 

[Winterfang]

Sony can show Heavy Rain 2 and have better graphics than Avatar the movie, but the thing that excited people are not pretty graphics. Is pretty graphics and a game that looks awesome.

Take in mind that the change to 8GB R5 ram was changed later so I'm pretty sure none of those games will be using that to the fullest.

Also Wii U will show a shit tons of games also.

 

[mephixto]

If MS's E3 is all about games could have a chance 'cause sony still needs to show the PS4 and some of the conference will be also Vita related.

If MS spend some of the e3 time showing again media features of the Xbox One wioll make him go downhill

E3 will be about games, but what type of games? They didn't show Kinect games at the reveal, so half of the boring thing is still to be unveiled

 

[TheMink]

After telling everyone that E3 is all about the games, not really.

So they can't afford to not talk about the non gaming features?

Was the double negative on purpose?

I think you mean "yes they can afford to not talk about it"

Spoiler

everybody is responding to the phrasing a different way...

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Sorry I meant it in terms of how much stage time is devoted to it. Kinect will become that big chunk nobody cares about. I expect Sony to be boneheaded and have a similar thing for Move. Remember wonderbook....yea

There already 3 controller-based exclusive ip(QB,Forza 5,Ryse) will going to E3,and plus some rumored controller-based exclusive games(respawn,insomniac etc),i'm not sure why you think Kinect one will be huge,even last year is not that huge,and i would say this time they won't try any "Kinect core games" anymore(because not just bad reviews,it even flopped in sales),maybe 3 out of 15 will be Kinect one casual games like rumored Fitness and Kinect Sports 3

Same for Sony,wonderbook eat some time but it's not like 30mins of the show is wonderwook

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

There already 3 controller-based exclusive ip(QB,Forza 5,Ryse) will going to E3,and plus some rumored controller-based exclusive games(respawn,insomniac etc),i'm not sure why you think Kinect one will be huge,even last year is not that huge,and i would say this time they won't try any "Kinect core games" anymore,maybe 3 out of 15 will be Kinect one casual games like rumored Fitness and Kinect Sports 3

Same for Sony,wonderbook eat some time but it's not like 30mins of the show is wonderwook

because a Kinect is in every box, so they will feel the need to justify that by showing Kinect powered games. I think you're kidding yourself if you think Kinect so t be a big focus at E3.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

because a Kinect is in every box, so they will feel the need to justify that by showing Kinect powered games. I think you're kidding yourself if you think Kinect so t be a big focus at E3.

They mainly show the Kinect one at reveal for UI part and not even talked about any Kinect games,unless something like controller+Kinect voice command=Kinect big focus

 

[Ushae]

I think what they should've done is simply to be VERY clear and honest upfront.

In their first pre-E3 event they should've said at the start:

"Today, we're presenting the console and its broader entertainment functions, but look forward to E3, where our keynote will be focused all around games"

And then in the E3 Keynote, kick it off with:

"Today, our whole keynote will be focused around one thing: GAMES. Welcome to E3!"

One thing that Apple and Jobs were always brilliant about was that it was very clear how their keynotes were structured, what they would present, etc. This entire shitstorm that MS is experiencing right now would probably not have happened if these two messages would've been very clear from the start.

And yeah, I think they can and have to afford to completely focus on Games at E3. We all know what it can do now in terms of TV, online services, etc. - it's cool, but it's not what Neogaf and all the other gaming forums wanted. Now we need to know about the awesome exclusives that will basically force everyone to buy the console, cause they're too amazing to miss out on.

They did say this multiple times, shame GAF has problem putting coherent sentences together. We should make our judgment at E3.

 

[szaromir]

because a Kinect is in every box, so they will feel the need to justify that by showing Kinect powered games. I think you're kidding yourself if you think Kinect so t be a big focus at E3.

Because PS Eye is not in every box, they will feel the need to push it by showing PS Eye powered games. I think you're kidding yourself if you think PS Eye so t be a big focus at E3.

 

[StreetsAhead]

They did say this multiple times, shame GAF has problem putting coherent sentences together. We should make our judgment at E3.

If you aren't prepared to be judged and grilled on what you announce, you are not ready to announce.

 

[yurinka]

Not sure what the killzone gif is meant to achieve before we have seen a first party FPS on X1?

COD was clearly not the peak of any sort of next gen engine - BF4 trounces it.

Sure, exclusive games will look better, but why MS didn't show an exclusive shooter instead of a multi to showcase their console gameplay? Because like 3 seconds of CoD on first person view seems to be the only gameplay shown in their console reveal.

 

[UberTag]

Look at all these things that 360 had over PS3:

1. First mover advantage. (Over a year in some territories)
2. Price point advantage.
3. Relative ease of development. (Truly a gift that kept on giving)
4. Best and most fully implemented online system strategy.
5. Gamerscore and achievements as an industry-wide USP.
6. Laser focus on gaming, particularly the all important core gamer segment.
7. Massive broad-spread support from the enthusiast media (aggravated by Sony's arrogance).
8. Good luck picking/promoting new IP (Epic's Gears of War succeeded, F5's Lair tanked).
9. The ability to unceremoniously drop XBox and focus solely on the 360. (Sony had PS2 and PSP to promote)
10. Less direct competition from Wii. In terms of demographic crossover Nintendo's huge success impinged more on Sony's market than that covered by 360.

Now ask yourself how many of these advantages apply to Xbone?

Ummm... they still get Call of Duty maps first. That's all that matters, right? Do I win a prize?

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

Because PS Eye is not in every box, they will feel the need to push it by showing PS Eye powered games. I think you're kidding yourself if you think PS Eye so t be a big focus at E3.

Never said it wouldn't be this is the same company that spent 15 minutes on wonderbook when they needed to show support for the vita.

 

[chickdigger802]

e3 is as mainstream as it gets. More than this random early morning reveal.

Would be surprised if it was ONLY games.

 

[trmas]

Kinect Sports will be there, as will Kinect Workout with heart rate monitoring, probably some Dance Kinect game as well. There is three virtual locks.

Ryse will be Kinect enhanced, whatever that means
Forza
Whatever Rare is working on, Kinect enhanced
Black Tusk or whatever they are called

If you don't expect Kinect to be a HUGE focus for MS, you are living in denial.

 

[Jibbajabbawockky]

If MS wanted to hold a separate panel where they dive deep into the Xbone's entertainment features, then have at it. But if they want to get their act together with the prime market that would be looking to lay down several hundred dollars on that giant box, they need to show games and show why this box is the best box to have for gaming at their main E3 conference. All of that television and skype stuff are extras that should be treated as extras. I really doubt that many people are going to primarily buy an Xbone to Skype or dance around with Kinect.

 

[Marjorine]

I think they need to have games there whether they look one step behind Sony's offering or not graphics-wise. People don't get worked up about graphics. Not like we do, anyway. if they did, OMG KZ2 GIFS! would have moved a lot more units of Killzone, because that was a damn pretty game.

My sister watched Oprah in SD for months after getting an HDTV. People don't care like we do. True story. Good enough is generally good enough. I don't think anyone enjoyed Wii Sports less because it looked like an N64 game.

 

[quest]

They spent 400 million on the NFL agreement if you don't think it won't be mentioned I have a bridge to sell you real cheap. They spent a ton of time and money on the TV junk if you don't think they will go over it at E3 I have a cheap ice berg for sale. Also they might of said games but they did not say what games. Going by the past 3 E3's it will be 70% Kinect 2.0 games and COD, Madden and halo.

 

[Vlodril]

e3 is as mainstream as it gets. More than this random early morning reveal.

Would be surprised if it was ONLY games.

There is no way in hell it will be only games. They will show the console and kinect again. They will show how live works and what features it has etc etc.

Same will go for sony.

 

[dorkimoe]

I feel like they will gloss over some things, like they will just be showing a game and include taht you can snap to something instead of showing it all again