zomgbbqftw
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bkillian is a good guy, but he is a Microsoft employee, bear that in mind. Works in the Xbox division too.
MS: Xbox One 40x More Powerful Than 360 with the Cloud, Only 10x Without the Cloud
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bkillian is a good guy, but he is a Microsoft employee, bear that in mind. Works in the Xbox division too.
Why I keep seeing this same shit in every X1 thread again and again....yes we get it ... cloud is the best!!!!! X1+cloud >>>>>>>>>> high end PCs of the 2050s
Lmao, so true.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
The last time anyone tried to use complex server side calculations as a marketing slogan it backfired spectacularly.
Just saying.
Just saying.
jfoul
Member
I think we will see the biggest benefit of something like this in MMOs, Online RPGs, and to a smaller extent multiplayer modes in singleplayer focused games. It's probably only going to be used in exclusive XB1 titles, unless Sony deploys something similar. I fully expect Halo 5 to use the cloud in some way to enhance it's multiplayer offerings.
BlazingDarkness
Member
history proves when a small band of people are saying one thing and the masses are outright dismissing them, more times than not the "crazy" ones were right all along.
You mean like that one time people were smugly proclaiming there would be masses of crow being served after Microsoft's reveal of the next XBOX because all of the rumours were bullshit and there was teh secret sauze? Oh wait..
Insane Metal
Member
That's actually very interesting, but it doesn't make a console 40x more powerful. I mean, they could have used much better words for this.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Does any of that sound like 40x the power? Weather? Crowds? AI (I doubt this one will even work or be used) let alone the other stuff.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Latent AI breaks anything that is action based. If that enemy isn't exactly where he needs to be in a given frame, the game is broken. There's a reason MMOs have shit combat.
Physics of anything interacting with the character needs to be represented accurately on screen and on time.
Weather? What weather? Rendering of the weather? Telling me what the weather is like? If it's rendering the graphical effects, it needs to be done in time for the next frame or the visuals won't match. if it's telling me what the weather is, "Sunny, cloudy, raining or snowy" doesn't require much calculation.
And a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with gameplay. super.
Just logically this whole thing makes absolutely no sense. Internet connections are not stable enough for Microsoft to actually think this will work in any conceivable way. Not even factoring in latency or interacting with the actual stored game code on the HDD. Why would anyone think otherwise?
This whole thing. All of it.
djplaeskool
Member
The wheel isn't nearly as theoretical as computational offloading for real-time applications and some mystical related increase of performance to a gaming machine.
I agree, the generality of saying 10x-40x, or whatever, glosses over very significant things that should be qualified. Your three apples in the cloud are not like your one orange locally, so to speak. At all.
Just that I do think we'll have some hybrid games. It's really an extension of the idea of authoritative dedicated MP servers and MMO servers and the like. In the heel of the hunt, for a 'local latency' experience, for the best experience, a fat client is still going to be better than a thin one, absolutely, and even where you do mix in remote resources, a fat client will 'do more' and be 'better'.
Hawk269
Member
While I always respected you Sethos, none of us really knows what they are planning or how it works...so I don't understand how someone can say all this doom and gloom stuff when we have no idea on how this is going to work. PR bullshit or not, we don't have any details to say anything about it until they give us these details or we see it first hand.
I know it is fun to bash and talk shit about something, but perhaps we should talk shit and bash when we know what we are really going to be getting then with that information and knowledge call it shit if it needs to be called shit.
la flama blanca
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fuck off, seriously, you don't even have a clue as to what you're talking about
AI:
Physics of structures and debris: How would you propose that as a latency insensitive option? I blow up a building and seconds later it falls? Seconds later the debris starts behaving differently?
Weather: Like what, polling a server for live weather data? Something that requires exactly no hardware power and is done in old simulators.
Vehicles (out of a certain range): What the fuck does that even mean, applying AI to stuff that isn't near you or you are interacting with, making it completely useless?
Animations and physics of people/crowds that you don't directly influence: Again, tell us some actual examples how that would work -- People on the other side in GTA able to perform intensive animations we can't see, the crowd in FIFA clapping extra realistically?
You are just saying shit and providing no actual examples that are RELEVANT and LATENCY INSENSITIVE.
Wickerbasket
Member
You've not really explained how it could do any of that.
Could you explain more in detail? I don't really understand how it could.
So how do you get around the low bandwidth of only a few MB/s in NA?
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
If anything his analogy is more comparable to a drawing of a wheel rather than the real thing.
I'm not claiming superiority, I'm claiming to have patience and an optimistic view that what they are investing a shit ton of money in and engineers are claiming to have working just might work
That makes perfect sense in a persistent world. A bridge that was being blown to bits and had super accurate physics.
You could have all the calculations done on a super server and then sent to all the players. Physics data can crush even the best GPU. But it's doing mental gymnastics to say it takes it from 10X better to 40X better. Because the game graphics are not altered one bit. So it's really playing loose with things. Who cares if the physics weren't real world accurate. To the game player, if they're never told, it makes zero difference at all. They don't even know that it's now super accurate vs faked. It looks the same.
Trogdor1123
Member
I dont see how latency can be the issue here, the real issue is sending all of the data need to be crunched to the data center and getting it back fast enough to not skip a beat. The latency is nothing compared to sending megs upon megs of data.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Umm....well then can you explain it?
and why would they want to pay for that?
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Vampirolol
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Two things need to become memes. This post and the verb "Xboning".
Lambda Pie
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so... does Sony uses Sephirot computing? Emerald Weapon chip? how does this work?
Delusibeta
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It's an excuse for constant-internet-required DRM, and that's all it's going to ever be.
(Also, fuck Microsoft for ruining the term "always on DRM")
You're going to have to elaborate on this, because I have no clue what the fuck you're babbling on about.
Snapshot King
Member
You're just making up examples. How would AI be non latency intensive. If you can interact with them, they're latency intensive. If you can't, then they don't even need AI do they?
I mean hell, take the bolded. Yknow what that takes? Nothing.
Here's a ps2 game rendering hundreds of people on screen, all of which you can interact with, but not heavily, and all running simple ai.
http://youtu.be/GCtj8SSjKSA?t=2m41s
You're just pulling random shit out of the air without explaining the details on anything because you're either hopeless convinced of your own bullshit, don't know what you're talking about, actively trolling, or a combination of the three.
Edited my claim of thousands to hundreds for the clip.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
and why would ms want to pay for that?
Yes but when your xbone finds your neighbours wi-fi it becomes 40x more powerful because klowdz
Holy shit.
It's... almost the same argument that was used to justify CELL MAGIC. Except some things were possible on the Cell, and nothing is possible on the cloud except storage, DRM, and local weather predictions.
We've moved backwards.
Rebel Leader
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You're going to have to elaborate on this, because I have no clue what the fuck you're babbling on about.
wounds like:
"why stick to the past (horses) when the wheel(cloud) is the future?"
Don't know if poster is serious or not
Murder. She Wrote
Member
Even if Microsoft is right (lol) couldn't Sony do the same thing with Gaikai?
Then they should start have started by showing it working instead pulling numbers out of their asses.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
You're going to have to elaborate on this, because I have no clue what the fuck you're babbling on about.
I will quote my post from another thread.
Great post Amir0x
Yes, the media should definitely tell the consumers more about how Xbox One will effect their rights and give the PR mouthpieces at MS a harder time about their anti-consumer bullshit.