Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
God, you're not wrong. That is the most blatant marketing shitspeak I've read on this forum. I can smell the coffee from the PR agency.
MS: Xbox One 40x More Powerful Than 360 with the Cloud, Only 10x Without the Cloud
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look back a few weeks, months, all the way to the end and middle into his post history
it is like 98% microsoft stuff. not just xbox.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Tallshortman
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The cloud makes your console 4x more powerful. lol okay
Godhandiscen is the guy who gave the info that got Reiko banned. Just so people know. You know, the info that turned out to be BS about the Xbox One having much better hardware than it actually ended up having lol.
Out of curiosity, how many servers does GaiKai have?
Impeccable
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Glassbox 2.0
Not even factoring in the practical implementation issues with using elastic computing in games, who is going to pay for this computational power?
Last I checked, the elastic computing model was that implementers of these computing resources had to pay for it. In this case, I'm assuming publishers would be on the hook for it.
We're in an era when we have publishers shutting off servers 2 years after a game is released to save money. And we're supposed to believe they're going to be opening up their wallets to pay for cloud computing resources in addition to the normal development budgets?
Unless MS is feeling generous and is tossing in Azure resources as part of their XBL hosting agreements, I'm calling major bullshit on this feature gaining any kind of traction with penny pinching publishers.
Last I checked, the elastic computing model was that implementers of these computing resources had to pay for it. In this case, I'm assuming publishers would be on the hook for it.
We're in an era when we have publishers shutting off servers 2 years after a game is released to save money. And we're supposed to believe they're going to be opening up their wallets to pay for cloud computing resources in addition to the normal development budgets?
Unless MS is feeling generous and is tossing in Azure resources as part of their XBL hosting agreements, I'm calling major bullshit on this feature gaining any kind of traction with penny pinching publishers.
Let's throttle back on the personal jabs, shall we? Thanks in advance.
edit: lol at the ads on this page now
LOL, the face on that cloud... perfection.
Warm Machine
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Uhh, no. Mirrors Edge uses computationally crazy lightmaps for its global illumination. When they built the levels they had to set them up to be baked out to textures via Beast which took a very long time. The lighting never changes in the environment but still looks beautiful. The cloud *could* be doing this computation and sending the user lightmaps in chunks. As the direction of the light changes it would crank out more textures for the users general vicinity.
Snapshot King
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I'll gladly eat my hat if these benefits were to manifest, but it goes against all common experience and is far more likely that it's merely PR bullshit to justify DRM, like every use of this kind of "technology" has shown to be.
It still doesn't make much sense. It's not like the Xbox One is a vastly underpowered piece of hardware and the computational task you're talking about slow it down enormously. All the things you're talking about could be done by a PS2 without breaking a sweat. So why is it that suddenly a brand new console lacks the power to do so and cloud computing has tho save the day? The benefits don't seem to outweigh the cons. Plus another thing: programmers have to make the game run just as well without an internet connection. According to MS the X1 has to be connect to the mothership once every 24 hours. What you're proposing are games that have to be online otherwise large portions of the game won't work. Or programmers have to make the game work both in online and offline mode. That will only double the work load for the programming team.
BlazingDarkness
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lol
Version 3.0
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Let's do some really top-line math here:
Microsoft says they have 300,000 servers. Those are for Xbox Live, not for cloud computing necessarily, but let's use that number anyway.
Say, at the end of year 1, there are 10,000,000 Xbox One consoles out there. Are 300,000 servers going to provide enough computing power to "enhance" all those consoles by a factor of 4?
Seems to me you'd be better off asking people to leave their Xboxes on, so those 10,000,000 machines could do computations for each other.
Or, to put it simply: doesn't add up. I'm not saying you can't offload some computations. But "4x more powerful" is such bullshit.
Microsoft says they have 300,000 servers. Those are for Xbox Live, not for cloud computing necessarily, but let's use that number anyway.
Say, at the end of year 1, there are 10,000,000 Xbox One consoles out there. Are 300,000 servers going to provide enough computing power to "enhance" all those consoles by a factor of 4?
Seems to me you'd be better off asking people to leave their Xboxes on, so those 10,000,000 machines could do computations for each other.
Or, to put it simply: doesn't add up. I'm not saying you can't offload some computations. But "4x more powerful" is such bullshit.
NullPointer
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Those aren't resource wastes considering that processing them locally means you don't need to go out to the internet to process them.
How does any of this work without a direct connection to the cloud? Wouldn't I *have* to be online to get these benefits? And if so, as a developer, do you code fallback logic in case my connection drops? Or do you just go "fuck it, you have to be online to play this game 100% of the time"? I can guess.
Basically, the concept of single player games would die entirely if these cloud APIs were to be depended upon at all, and if they aren't depended upon than using them in the first place is a resource waste of developer time.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Oh man this thread has been mental.
This is blood for blood and by the gallons. These are the old days man, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back! There's no choices left. And we are ready for war.
This is blood for blood and by the gallons. These are the old days man, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back! There's no choices left. And we are ready for war.
gundamkyoukai
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It's not the same thing at all so i guess you did not learn anything .
I think I like to delusion myself into thinking that this doesn't happen as much as people claim it does on GAF, I'd like to believe that this person is not working for MS but I can't say it with a straight face. It's a sad day when this happens.
depends. if you hire a top notch PR firm and give them a fat contract, they will have some very well paid people doing a really good job at. It will be invisible to almost everyone except those who have experience in pr.
Version 3.0
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Perfectly worded, thank you. It's also a talking point when someone points out that the PS4 is more powerful (as if the PS4 can't use the internet just as well).
It would have to be connected at all times for this
It's calculating and sending info to the game which then uses that information to construct the world and render (whatever pieces are required)
Cloud computing is for large data sets
Delusibeta
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New account, more likely. Astroturfers won't go down that easily.
SquiddyCracker
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Bullshit.
And all those, frankly useless suggestions are missing one key element; the developers and implementation into the game. Oh yeah, I'm sure in these times where game studios are falling left and right, where developers are being pushed to long eyes and shoddy work conditions, where DLC and micro-transactions are running rampant that they would spend a lot of time coding weather and wind patterns, peripheral stuff more realistically, coding realistic, hardware intensive animations, 'vehicles out of range' as you so eloquently put it an superior AI that isn't even being done in PC exclusives because good AI is hard to code.
All this marketing fluff has to actually be coded, implemented and then have an off-site server calculate it PLUS you have to take one thing into account; is it worth it? 95% of that stuff is trivial as hell when most games are 8-10 hour throwaway products.
Think we can safely rule him out on that scenario.
There is no way it doesn't happen a lot. Probably more than you think too. GAF is big, and Microsoft is notorious for using astroturfers.
You have no idea. And then going through this thread and reading
dollartaco
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TIL The Cloud is good for handling tasks that are static and latency independent that somehow also burden the CPU and GPU in the Xbox One.
Delusibeta
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Here's my problem with this: we all know that when a constant-internet-required DRM game is released, the servers always fail to meet demand. That's merely for check-ins. You're telling me that with more work done by servers, we'll be able to play within the first month?
Not only that but could you imagine the price all this would cost!, it would of been much cheaper for them just to make a hugely powerful 'future proof' console and just take a loss on them.
This is obviously bullshit and simply cringeworthy PR bullshit to get the masses on board.
Correction, sir. These past few days have been mental. I suspect the circus is just getting started as well.
BobTheFork
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I want a red t-shirt with that little guy on it.
Should it say 'Clowd Gaming!' or 'you can't be 40x!' ?
It has to be connected once a day, so there is going to be a massive discepency. Also see above, they are not going to multiply the power of 10 million connected consoles by 3 times at once.
LordEssdot
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There's a difference between then and now, Sony is not planning on tripping out the gate and falling right on their face this time around.
And let's not act like MS' past releases been resounding successes (WinPhone/Surface) either.
BlazingDarkness
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for important shit too, like their battle with the DoJ.
NullPointer
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All to guarantee that single player games can be purposefully gimped without an active online connection.
"Better with the Cloud"
Thats what being xboned looks like.
Like Kinect, the best uses for this tech will be found outside of gaming.
ptuck874
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now that is what im trying to find out as well....
maquiladora
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E3 man...E3....is there enough popcorn in the world?
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I hope you and most know these are not 300,000 physical servers. Ever heard of a Citrix environment? I can spin up 10 servers on my PC if I wanted to. Thats what I have to manage as one of the IT guys on my job since the entire company has gone virtual into the cloud recently. Guess what happens when one server load begins to eat cpu cycles and peaks? Or bandwidth becomes starved? Wake up and stop being such a dodo.
"Hey look guys, it's not always online!"
"Hey guys, check out this awesome feature. The cloud will make your xbone 40x more powerful than the 360! You just have to be connected to the internet at all times!"
Impeccable
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If Penguins brought us anything is that Respawn and Bungie are both going to have always-online games.
Also re-confirms Respawn is giving XBone exclusivity as per Crazy Buttocks on a Train.
maquiladora
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But what if there is 40x more popcorn in the cloud? That's my hope right now.