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[Spartaner]

so is the 24 hour check still in place ?

 

[Erimriv]

So I can't sell my games on ebay/amazon/craigslist.
Fuck you MS. Fuck anyone who defends this. This is anti-consumer at its finest. We consumers just lost option to sell our property and fucking fanboys defend this shit?

Im with you, couldn't say it better. Im done with MS or any other company doing this.

 

[MikeE21286]

I am from Europe I never experienced a chain or shop giving me more money for a game than selling it privately. And the competition between those resellers will not be who gives consumers the most money but who can resell them for the least with still making the biggest profit margin.

I think it may be a little different on the other side of the pond then.

It'll work on both sides of the coin. They need to create supply of the used games so that they can sell them too.

 

[LiK]

Kinda how I expected it to work.

 

[spookyfish]

So, is this the "consumer focused" solution Microsoft was talking about?

 

[ConfusedCat]

and what makes this even worse, what makes this even fucking worse?


one of the most popular and profitable franchises is MODERN FUCKING WARFARE

which i don't give a fuck what anyone says, is based on the wars that have taken place over the last 10 years and the technology behind it

so profit from the war and then tell them to fuck off?

niiiiiiiiiice

 

[sephi22]

People can disagree with me all I want. I applaud Microsoft for trying to elevate gaming out of the console gutter.

So your ideal console is one that works exactly like PCs?
Why even buy consoles then?

 

[Dave Meltzer]

But I thought...

It's called a joke m8 dictionary.com

So your ideal console is one that works exactly like PCs?
Why even buy consoles then?

Because consoles get exclusive games so I have to endure their existence and backwards ways.

 

[Dead Man]

Seriously why is the games industry it the only media that feels entitled to a slice of that second hand money?

They are the only industry with the means to enforce it.

 

[nib95]

So your ideal console is one that works exactly like PCs?
Why even buy consoles then?

Not exactly, because PC games are still much cheaper.

 

[strata8]

and what makes this even worse, what makes this even fucking worse?


one of the most popular and profitable franchises is MODERN FUCKING WARFARE

which i don't give a fuck what anyone says, is based on the wars that have taken place over the last 10 years and the technology behind it

so profit from the war and then tell them to fuck off?

niiiiiiiiiice

You're just making yourself sound stupid.

 

[Ensoul]

I keep waiting for an announcement that due to the unique identification system used, games will now be $69.99 standard at retail.

As far as rentals go, there should be nothing stopping Gamefly/Redbox/ect from setting up a system with Microsoft where they get unique rental only games and implement some sort of system where you need to log into your account on the XBone to verify the rental and return.

I am interested in how rentals will work, IF they still work. My guess is that rentals are out but maybe they can come to some sort of agreement where a publisher get money per rental of their games.

Of course that likely means that the price of gamefly will go up significantly.

 

[Xater]

Deep pockets? Which mod is compromised?

Maybe the help he wants is to finally be cast out of GAF. I am sure the mods will oblige to help out with that.

 

[Flakster99]

Not nearly good enough.

- Microsoft wins
- Publishers win
- Registered retailers win, sort of
- Customers lose

I lend games to family members and friends all the time. I sell my games to non-registered retailers all the time, better deals for me that way, more cash in my pocket. This is quite the slippery slope of loss of consumer rights, and I don't like it. I also will not support online DRM, in any such fashion.

And I do not expect Microsoft to mimic Steam with fairly consistent good sales where games get really, really cheap, because registered retailers would be left in the dust without some sort of cooperation coordination. Non-registered brick and mortar retailers can fuck themselves for all they (Microsoft) cares.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

People can disagree with me all I want. I applaud Microsoft for trying to elevate gaming out of the console gutter.

Consoles putting in all of the restrictions that people have complained about on PC and limiting your userbase my eliminating people who can't/don't want to hook their console up to the internet isn't getting anything out of any gutters.

But enjoy your delusion.

 

[Taker666]

So I can't sell my games on ebay/amazon/craigslist.

Fuck you MS. Fuck anyone who defends this. This is anti-consumer at its finest. We consumers just lost option to sell our property and fucking fanboys defend this shit?

Indeed.

You might currently get $30 for a game on ebay..and $20 as a trade at retail..

...but with this system it'll now probably only be $10-$15 trade-in value.

The seller will end up paying the cut to the publisher..not the retailer...and of course the retailer is now the only game in town (if you can't sell directly) so trade-in value wll be lower due to lack of competition.

 

[UberTag]

so is the 24 hour check still in place ?

Of course. That's how the Cloud knows you've sold your game within the last day and don't own it any more. The bits on your hard drive are now withered and useless.

 

[CrisKre]

It's called a joke m8 dictionary.com



Because consoles get exclusive games so I have to endure their existence and backwards ways.

Again, do you think this makes x1 less of a console how?

 

[MikeE21286]

I am interested in how rentals will work, IF they still work. My guess is that rentals are out but maybe they can come to some sort of agreement where a publisher get money per rental odf their games.

Of course that likely means that the price of gamefly will go up significantly.

I honestly think rentals are probably fucked by this.

Gamefly would probably not only have to be a part of the reseller program (which may include fees) but would have to have rental agreements in place with each and every publisher in order for them to work. (probably a flat fee they pay annually as opposed to a per-title amount the publishers get from the retailers --- based on how I interpret the reseller program working for retailers)

Not to say they won't try, but it might be very cost prohibitive and will kill their margins, that is unless they raise the price of their services. Raising the price might be their only saving grace.

 

[Dead Man]

It's called a joke m8 dictionary.com



Because consoles get exclusive games so I have to endure their existence and backwards ways.

So for the sake of 3 games you are happy to see the console model get killed off and replaced with a PClite model with none of the advantages of a PC?

 

[ConfusedCat]

right

http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/2013/05/episode-385-podcast-exclusive-aaron-greenberg-on-xbox-one/

aaron greenberg

"On the latest Gamertag radio podcast Aaron Greenberg basically said that if you're a soldier or in service on a ship the Xbox One is not for you and you should get a 360 instead.
"

disgraceful.

 

[CrisKre]

Not exactly, because PC games are still much cheaper.

You think games will be cheaper? What gave you that indication? You will be very very disappointed buddy.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

It's called a joke m8 dictionary.com



Because consoles get exclusive games so I have to endure their existence and backwards ways.

So you're pissed that consoles get exclusive games? You make no sense.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Again, do you think this makes x1 less of a console how?

It gives it one of the major pros of a PC, which is not having to fuck around with discs. Of course it's not as good as PC but l'll take any improve nuts I can get.

 

[ConfusedCat]

You're just making yourself sound stupid.

can you explain how?

Sorry but call of duty is profiting from the wars of today. It's set in modern times using modern weaponry from the wars being fought

so tell me why this is not a fair point to bring up when its pretty clear MS dont give a shit about soldiers?

they made money out of them (via 360 sales and games and also the fact many war games are out there)

 

[AwakenedCloud]

So, this is essentially Steam with a trade in system. Not that bad. The borrowing thing ia bad, but maybe they could allot a time-system with the 24 hour thing. Maybe give up to two days of 'borrow time' per game a month, similar to how they have trial periods for online passes.

 

[UberTag]

I am interested in how rentals will work, IF they still work. My guess is that rentals are out but maybe they can come to some sort of agreement where a publisher get money per rental of their games.

Of course that likely means that the price of gamefly will go up significantly.

Gamefly won't be stocking Xbox One games.
But Microsoft may develop a piecemeal rental system of their own on Xbox LIVE.
In fact, given the 24-hour daily online check-ins, it would be absurd to think they wouldn't.

 

[mclem]

From what PH and Booty said, if the game goes user-to-user, a fee is involved. "It's like buying the game new".

Wasn't the implication from PH's quote that that duplicated the game rather than transferred it - hence the higher price?

 

[Phatcorns]

So ebayers are screwed huh? Great.

 

[dose]

Lol, it's funny how gamers get hate for the 'entitled' argument. Now MS and publishers think they're 'entitled' to the money from a secondhand game sale. They've already received their chunk from the initial sale.

 

[Arjen]

They are the only industry with the means to enforce it.

I'm sure car manufacturers can produce tech that forces you to put in an activation code for the car to start, and if you want to sell your car you'll have to go trough a dealer to ulock it for the next customer.
Blu-Ray and DVD drive manufacturers could implement the same thing for the big studios if they wanted to.

 

[dragonelite]

Kills eBay and Amazon marketplace and selling the game privately.

Also, does that mean each game disc now has a unique identifier chip in it somewhere, otherwise how will the retailer know which account the traded in disc comes from? Doesn't work otherwise unless GameStop have a box in the store where people trading in games can log in and mark the games as traded or something. Very cumbersome without a unique identifier chip, also that is technology that would have to be licenced from Sony, who I'm quite sure are not selling a licence for that tech.

That is why the retailer has to incorporate the microsoft azure suit..
Microsoft has all the user data and linked games. So the retailer will ask microsoft system from he which account has this game linked to it. Can you erase it from its account.
Sounds like a better system than steam. If they also have like a big online store sale 3~4 times a year i can see that work.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

So for the sake of 3 games you are happy to see the console model get killed off and replaced with a PClite model with none of the advantages of a PC?

Well I'm sure I'll buy more than 3.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Lol, it's funny how gamers get hate for the 'entitled' argument. Now MS and publishers think they're 'entitled' to the money from a secondhand game sale. They've already received their chunk from the initial sale.

Not just the initial sale, but the future sale from the sell or trade in.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

no rental = no sale, i rent all my games first unless its big title like mass effect halo or uncharted. no next gen halo for me cause i will NOT own the machine.

 

[Petrichor]

So basically, it's like steam but less anti-consumer, yet still GAF isn't happy.

 

[Alec]

This will also kill mom and pop shops that can't get connected to Microsoft's cloud system. The only ones who really benefit from this are Microsoft and GameStop, and they already have more than enough money. Sure, the developers might finally get a cut of the used market, but at the cost of our ability to resell or lend? It's just not worth it.

I don't want GameStop to be my only option.

At least with OnLive you could rent a game for a few days for $5.

So basically, it's like steam but less anti-consumer, yet still GAF isn't happy.

Not nearly as many people would use Steam if it weren't the the amazing deals. You think I'll be able to get Xbox One keys from a Humble Bundle anytime soon? Yeah right.

 

[CrisKre]

It gives it one of the major pros of a PC, which is not having to fuck around with discs. Of course it's not as good as PC but l'll take any improve nuts I can get.

You know you can download games to every current system right? And this games will still be sold on blurray disks right? You are making no sense. This imposition is not to fast track digital adoption for the reasons you are championing. Is to hold rights and transactions of their intellectual property away from consumers. To make more money.

 

[Ensoul]

I honestly think rentals are probably fucked by this.

Gamefly would probably not only have to be a part of the reseller program (which may include fees) but would have to have rental agreements in place with each and every publisher in order for them to work. (probably a flat fee they pay annually as opposed to a per-title amount the publishers get from the retailers --- based on how I interpret the reseller program working for retailers)

Not to say they won't try, but it might be very cost prohibitive and will kill their margins, that is unless they raise the price of their services. Raising the price might be their only saving grace.

Likely true. Gamefly may be OK for a few years as they still have a ton of games for the 360, Wii and Ps3 that they rent. Not to mention I believe that there will still be a decent inflow of new games for the current gen for at least the next 2 years.

Personally, I think publishers would love nothing more than if all rental companies were gone so I don't think we will be seeing much support from the publisher to keep them around.

 

[Dead Man]

I'm sure car manufacturers can produce tech that forces you to put in an activation code for the car to start, and if you want to sell your car you'll have to go trough a dealer to ulock it for the next customer.
Blu-Ray and DVD drive manufacturers could implement the same thing for the big studios if they wanted to.

Yeah, fair point.

Well I'm sure I'll buy more than 3.

Sure, but how many console exclusives are there. Or better yet, how man Xbone exclusives will there be? I'm quite happy to miss them to not support bullshit. If I am going to have the downsides of a PC, I want the upsides to go with it. Xbone has the worst of both.

This will also kill mom and pop shops that can't get connected to Microsoft's cloud system. The only ones who really benefit from this are Microsoft and GameStop, and they already have more than enough money. Sure, the developers might finally get a cut of the used market, but at the cost of our ability to resell or lend? It's just not worth it.

I don't want GameStop to be my only option.

At least with OnLive you could rent a game for a few days for $5.

Indeed. The small shops are going to be fucked by this.

So basically, it's like steam but less anti-consumer, yet still GAF isn't happy.

Not really :/

 

[mclem]

And this is why the games industry is the only industry that can get away with this.
Apparantly a big majority of 'gamers' are a bunch of idiots, uncapable, dumb and afraid to stand up for your rights. Sickening

I think it's possibly more "Willing to sacrifice their rights in the name of propping up an environment simply too expensive to be functional without doing so"

I'm not a fan of this either, but I don't think it's quite fair to paint those in support of it as simply 'idiots'. They are seeing a percieved benefit from it; not one I personally value highly enough for what they're trading, but it's their choice to make.

 

[sleeping_dragon]

Sharing is caring! so fu microsoft for not allowing me to share game with the people i cared about.

 

[MikeE21286]

Likely true. Gamefly may be OK for a few years as they still have a ton of games for the 360, Wii and Ps3 that they rent. Not to mention I believe that there will still be a decent inflow of new games for the current gen for at least the next 2 years.

Personally, I think publishers would love nothing more than if all rental companies were gone so I don't think we will be seeing much support from the publisher to keep them around.

True, which is why they might not want to even give them the option to setup some type of agreement/contract on how to deal with used games in the first place.

 

[ConfusedCat]

also you can betcha bottom dollar MS won't give these azure systems away to retailers. Entirely possible small joints just won't be able to afford it. I bet they are expensive.

increased cost = increased cost onto consumer


i highly doubt its just a simple website thing they can log into, to easy to hack

 

[dragonelite]

no rental = no sale, i rent all my games first unless its big title like mass effect halo or uncharted. no next gen halo for me cause i will NOT own the machine.

Wouldn't be surprised if they can use the same system for rental.
You rent the game put it in the xbox the server will give you permission to play in for the hours / days rented. When you bring back the game they system will check out the game.
If one thing microsoft could actually cut out the rental middle man and offer rental games cheaper.
So you rent a game for say a week $5 microsoft takes a cut the publisher takes a cut.

 

[catapult37]

Amazing that the system we all thought was aimed to cut off Gamestop actually gives them a monopoly on used game sales. Disgusting.

Their trade in prices are terrible. I eBay all my console games eventually to pay for new ones. No plans whatsoever to buy the Xbox One.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

You know you can download games to every current system right? And this games will still be sold on blurray disks right? You are making no sense. This imposition is not to fast track digital adoption for the reasons you are championing. Is to hold rights and transactions of their intellectual property away from consumers. To make more money.

But I want to buy cheap retail discs as well as digital copies because retail has price collapses digital doesn't.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

So basically, it's like steam but less anti-consumer, yet still GAF isn't happy.

Yeah, because it makes sense that I can't lend a digital copy of something to my friend. It makes zero sense that I can't lend a physical game to my friend like I've been doing for the last 15 years.

 

[maabus1999]

Sorry, catching up on thread.

What happens when a private seller sells a game at a garage/boot sale and buyer does not know about Microsoft's system? Will it look like a stolen game? (Assuming no receipt for this kind of private sale.)

Probably a pop up that's says disc is registered and to call Xbox support. Then they probably charge a small transfer fee. That or they let people deqctivate games easily on X1 but will probably hit the new owner up for a fee when they activate.

 

[dosh]

It gives it one of the major pros of a PC, which is not having to fuck around with discs. Of course it's not as good as PC but l'll take any improve nuts I can get.

Ok, but can you try for a second to accept what other people are saying, about owning their games, about sharing them with their friends? I'm not patronizing you. This is an honest question.