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[OmniOne]

According to most EULA's, you don't own the software and you merely have the permission to use it under certain restrictions that are specified in the EULA which you have to agree with before using the product.

Also, physical media on the PC has been employing similar tactics against used games. The market of used games on the PC practically does not exist today due to these business strategies even though retail PC games are still being sold.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing here. I am just stating the law as I know it in the US.

When I put a game disc in my console when do I agree with said EULA? There aren't prompts for agreement or a place to sign a contract that only I will play the physical disc. There isn't an agreement at point of purchase. Also how does the used game market exist if it's against the EULA?
If a retailer purchases games in bulk from the publisher, isn't it a resale to then sell that product to me? My only interaction is a transaction from a retailer, the publisher has no role.

 

[Camp Lo]

That DLC vs Used games argument is fucking mind numbing. E3 can't come soon enough for me. I need answers.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

We absolutely should, but will we?

In theory it's not that hard. A bunch of tweets a day takes almost no time. But will people stay interested until then, that's the question.

 

[RELIGHT]

We should keep this up untill E3. Too much?

Not at all. We're going to do it too.

 

[kuroshiki]

Man, looking at this thread and all the others, its pretty amazing what a colossal fuck up the X1 reveal has been.

Not only did MS personally paint themselves as anti-consumer asshole but they basically turned Sony into gamers' knight in shinning armor.

It was indeed colossal fuck up. If Sony just does exact opposite of what Xbone did, then gamers around the world will treat Sony like a Savior, messiah, whatever you want to call.

Sony to the rescue!

Let's all hope that Sony saves us.

If not, down the furnace both MS and Sony will go.

 

[Kane1345]

We should keep this up untill E3. Too much?

That's my plan at least!

 

[Americanmushroom]

We should keep this up untill E3. Too much?

Could be possible. But EU Gaf is going to sleep now. US GAF needs to be active right now.

Goodnight

 

[OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather]

In theory it's not that hard. A bunch of tweets a day takes almost no time. But will people stay interested until then, that's the question.

Exactly. Only time will tell though.

 

[krypt0nian]

The best we can really do is give people arguing for no or lesser DRM evidence of consumer sentiment; all we can do is give them ammunition and let them fire the guns. Seems like a pretty worthy cause.

This is exactly right. If there are indeed people discussing this, one side has some serious evidence where consumer demands lie.

 

[RustyNails]

Wow I'm surprised at CliffyB being a tool. Why? Do you really think there's lost revenue in used games sales Cliffy? Instead of being a posterboy for heavy handed corporate bullshit like EULAs, why not side with the consumer and say EULAs are bullshit (like they are) and people should be able to own things they buy?

I understand the rising costs, but that's what happens when you turn game hobby into an assembly line game generator on a fixed 1.8 year schedule.

 

[Donthizz#]

I don't see Yoshida respond to this through his twitter.

 

[Y2Kev]

He has been dead silent on the issue which isn't like him at all.

What is he going to say? He can't say anything.

 

[RoboPlato]

I successful as I want this campaign to be, I really hope MS follows suit or at least lightens things up so that Sony doesn't lose third party support. Someone like EA pulling out would leave them without sports games, Star Wars, Battlefield, and a lot of others.

 

[Dragon1893]

Not at all. We're going to do it too.

Awesome. At least we'll be able to say we did everything we could.

 

[kuroshiki]

I don't see Yoshida respond to this through his twitter.

He can't say anything. Let's see if Sony listens or not.

I successful as I want this campaign to be, I really hope MS follows suit or at least lightens things up so that Sony doesn't lose third party support. Someone like EA pulling out would leave them without sports games, Star Wars, Battlefield, and a lot of others.

This ultimately lies on consumers. If PS4 outsells Xbone in every continent and ratio is big, then no way in hell publishers will ignore PS4 market, whether they like Sony's used policy or not.

 

[Flightmare]

I don't see Yoshida respond to this through his twitter.

he tweeted, just not about drm. It means he's online

 

[Minions]

We should keep this up untill E3. Too much?

I plan to tweet daily until E3. 10 seconds out of my day is of no consequence.

 

[Jondoyle123]

I don't see Yoshida respond to this through his twitter.

im under the assumption everything is on serious no talk lock down at the sony camp

i would not expect anything until e3

 

[IonicSnake]

I successful as I want this campaign to be, I really hope MS follows suit or at least lightens things up so that Sony doesn't lose third party support. Someone like EA pulling out would leave them without sports games, Star Wars, Battlefield, and a lot of others.

It would also leave EA without a lot of games sold that could have been sold.

 

[Godslay]

When I put a game disc in my console when do I agree with said EULA? There aren't prompts for agreement or a place to sign a contract that only I will play the physical disc. There isn't an agreement at point of purchase. Also how does the used game market exist if it's against the EULA?
If a retailer purchases games in bulk from the publisher, isn't it a resale to then sell that product to me? My only interaction is a transaction from a retailer, the publisher has no role.

If you've ever read the EULA, as soon as you use the game you've agreed to it. Pretty clearly worded.

Here's a a little detail as well. Hits on what Cliffy B was saying, as others have pointed out this doesn't apply in the EU from what I understand:

http://www.nahmiaslaw.com/the-eula-what-it-does-how-it-works-and-what-does-eula-even-mean/

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

I successful as I want this campaign to be, I really hope MS follows suit or at least lightens things up so that Sony doesn't lose third party support. Someone like EA pulling out would leave them without sports games, Star Wars, Battlefield, and a lot of others.

It would also leave EA with a massive loss. EA will never go console exclusive.

 

[MasLegio]

hah i went over to the IGN boards (its been years) to see if there was any chatter. I found several different threads about the topic and this movement on GAF, all of them locked with no reason given.

That's not what the modding instructions were when i was a mod over there (a decade or so ago)

I kept thinking it was because they had a thread but NOPE. Bravo IGN in your continued ruining of your message boards.

their (IGN staffs) unconditional love for their friends in the industry is seething through everything they do, so I am not surprised

 

[scakko84]

It would also leave EA without a lot of games sold that could have been sold.

Pretty much this, losing an entire platform would lead them to lose 1/3 of the market, i don't see this happening.

 

[RoboPlato]

It would also leave EA without a lot of games sold that could have been sold.

This was my opinion earlier on before this whole fiasco but I'm starting to change my mind. I guess we'll have to see how the PS4 does in terms of sales. I guess I'm just being paranoid right now.

 

[famousmortimer]

In theory it's not that hard. A bunch of tweets a day takes almost no time. But will people stay interested until then, that's the question.

I think it can go on at a much smaller level but even if it were peter out completely right now I think the main thing we wanted to accomplish has been done. The ball is in their court and they know how we feel. If they decide against us knowing that... well, then we'll cross that bridge when we get there but Im guessing the reaction won't be all that positive.



But trying to kick back up a few notches a bit before E3 certainly isn't a bad idea... since they may take a few weeks as silence as an excuse to try to slip it in.

 

[OmniOne]

If you've ever read the EULA, as soon as you use the game you've agreed to it. Pretty clearly worded.

Here's a a little detail as well. Hits on what Cliffy B was saying, as other's have pointed out this doesn't apply in the EU from what I understand:

http://www.nahmiaslaw.com/the-eula-what-it-does-how-it-works-and-what-does-eula-even-mean/

Thanks.

I guess I just can't get passed how the EULA is legal.

 

[Yawnier]

https://twitter.com/yosp

Is he always this exuberant on twitter? Seems a bit strange IDK.

 

[J_Lee]

we should start to tweet people outside the gaming industry. I tweeted @ConanOBrien for more exposure and so can you.

I agree Conan had a really funny gaming segment on his show he may find this something of interest.

 

[Carl]

We absolutely should, but will we?

Obviously i won't stay at critical mass for that long, but if we can keep a small amount of people tweeting at them until E3 it won't do any harm

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

This was my opinion earlier on before this whole fiasco but I'm starting to change my mind. I guess we'll have to see how the PS4 does in terms of sales.

Also lets remember EU, JP and other markets are vastly different from the US market. We can only hope Sony realises the amount of trouble they'd be dealing with, just to appease the likes of EA.

 

[Sickboy007]

Has anyone from the other camp (Microsoft) said anything about this? Higher-ups, first party devs, pr people?

 

[Menaged]

I successful as I want this campaign to be, I really hope MS follows suit or at least lightens things up so that Sony doesn't lose third party support. Someone like EA pulling out would leave them without sports games, Star Wars, Battlefield, and a lot of others.

Ignoring the fact that EA would be stupid to do so (Sony can prevent them PS3 publishing like Zomg said many times), I'm not sure they're allowed to not sell sports game. I think they're agreement with FIFA is to release the title on all viable platforms or something like that. I won't be shocked if Disney made them sign a similiar clause.

With that said, I have no evidence to back that up, but it seeme logical.

 

[uuaschbaer]

https://twitter.com/yosp

Is he always this exuberant on twitter? Seems a bit strange IDK.

He finally went mad...

 

[OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather]

https://twitter.com/yosp

Is he always this exuberant on twitter? Seems a bit strange IDK.

More or less, yeah. He's responding to responses to one of his tweets.

 

[dream431ca]

Unreal...this thread just keeps growing.

 

[krypt0nian]

I successful as I want this campaign to be, I really hope MS follows suit or at least lightens things up so that Sony doesn't lose third party support. Someone like EA pulling out would leave them without sports games, Star Wars, Battlefield, and a lot of others.

EA cannot make plan on only one console. They aren't holding the cards here.

 

[Dragon1893]

I already said this yesterday, no publisher, no matter how big, can afford to ignore the PS4. Publishers don't have all the cards.

 

[Bunta]

What is he going to say? He can't say anything.

This. I don't except any reaction from him. He's at least noticed all the tweets he's received.

 

[Tomcat]

I already said this yesterday, no publisher, no matter how big, can afford to ignore the PS4. Publishers don't have all the cards.

neither can sony ignore the publishers

 

[RoboPlato]

Ignore my EA post guys. I was being stupid when I said that since I'm in a really bad mood today and not thinking straight.

 

[BadWolf]

I already said this yesterday, no publisher, no matter how big, can afford to ignore the PS4. Publishers don't have all the cards.

Especially considering non of them are taking the WiiU seriously.

They would essentially be limiting themselves to just one userbase (the X1's).

 

[Owzers]

That DLC vs Used games argument is fucking mind numbing. E3 can't come soon enough for me. I need answers.

Seems like there is never enough money to be had or blame to be given out.

 

[krypt0nian]

neither can sony ignore the publishers

True, but all those popping in here to say that EA will just pull out aren't being realistic. It's a symbiosis that neither side are in control of.

 

[waypoetic]

Well... He smiles a lot.

 

[FuturusX]

E3 should be about games. Compelling experiences. The promise of something amazing. Now we'll all be waiting for Sony and MS to give us back what we've always had, fair use of psychical media.

It should be about the games. It's pretty shocking really.

 

[Donthizz#]

im under the assumption everything is on serious no talk lock down at the sony camp

i would not expect anything until e3

If Sony is smart they will come out and clear the air about DRM before E3. I got a feeling they will do the right thing, rumor yesterday was that they put "blocking used games ps4" on hold because of the reception MS got from fans after the Xbone reveal. Hopefully what GAF and Sony fans did yesterday put them over the edge on the DRM issue.

 

[Boke1879]

I think it can go on at a much smaller level but even if it were peter out completely right now I think the main thing we wanted to accomplish has been done. The ball is in their court and they know how we feel. If they decide against us knowing that... well, then we'll cross that bridge when we get there but Im guessing the reaction won't be all that positive.



But trying to kick back up a few notches a bit before E3 certainly isn't a bad idea... since they may take a few weeks as silence as an excuse to try to slip it in.

Depending on when this fetters out. I plan on at least tweeting twice a day from now until E3. But maybe we should try to rally the troops every Monday and Friday between now and E3?

 

[dream431ca]

He has been dead silent on the issue which isn't like him at all.

It's really close to E3. He's probably going to wait until then.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

What is he going to say? He can't say anything.

Maybe he's just waiting for his adviser to tell him the official company line again.

 

[paperboywriter]

exposure, exposure, exposure. who on twitter has many followers and is likely to retweet/ tweet about this? name names! I said it before, I tweeted @ConanOBrien. Who else?