the only allies the Starks have left are the Tullies. Sansa is the heir of Winterfell now, I think, which makes Tyrion the King of the North. House Stark as a political power is pretty much non-existent now
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the only allies the Starks have left are the Tullies. Sansa is the heir of Winterfell now, I think, which makes Tyrion the King of the North. House Stark as a political power is pretty much non-existent now
Or maybe it's time to start aligning yourself to people who can actually win. Just like the characters on the show. Take a knee and swear fealty to the White Walkers!
The Horror the horror
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What? She saved his life, and he rides off not knowing whether the other wildlings were going to kill her for treason or not?
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
To save her. He wasn't "abandoning" her, he was leaving her behind so she could stay (and live) as a wildling.
Because rescuing her is sentencing her to death? The Wall won't accept her and the Wildlings won't accept her if she's still with him. He's trying to provoke her to returning to her people of her own accord so that they won't kill her.
Edit: Wow. Nath'd hard.
Threw away his vows, so no. It was to save her. That way, they could see that she wasn't with him.
Bran and Rickon are heirs before Sansa, with Bran basically abdicating to Rickon this episode. Not that it matters since they have no power, and Tyrion does.
Victory Red
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Is this true?
What does that even mean. Can Tyrion just leave Kings Landing and rebuild Winterfell?
I don't think anyone realizes Bran and Rickon are even still alive.
Duty to the black. Remember the Targaryan's (the old man) speech in season 1 episode 10?
Hot Coldman
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Bran's powers getting an insane buff was cool, but, like, the Starks now basically being an extinct house kinda cancels it out. Rickon has no-one to go to... and what, Arya and Clegane are gonna single-handedly overthrow Joffrey? As much as I love their dynamic, nah.
So many characters are totally aimless now. Where's Jon gonna go? I... god I'm glad there's another episode next week to help me contextualise what this all means going forward.
Unless next week is King's Landing centric, in which case booo.
So many characters are totally aimless now. Where's Jon gonna go? I... god I'm glad there's another episode next week to help me contextualise what this all means going forward.
Unless next week is King's Landing centric, in which case booo.
Conrad Link
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My take is that she sorta 'stood with him' there and so he tried to make it look like she was betrayed too and isn't just with him so they wouldn't kill her.
She'll feel hurt and angry but he can explain later and do that thing with his mouth, all will be forgiven!
robotzombie
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I just want blackfish (who I will now refer to as blackbish) to still be alive due to his uncontrollable bladder and hopefully start getting something done in the way of getting revenge
All the Stark men are dead, so yeah.
Yes but it is presumed they are dead. Only a few know they aren't now, thanks to Theon.
Well, they've won in the sense that the Starks are no longer in danger of unseating them. But Stannis and Dany are still out there. The Starks were just one set of players in the Game of Thrones -- and not all of the Starks are done yet. Arya, Bran, Rickon, and Sansa are still around, and while they may just be children today, the story has a long way to go.
arya and tyrion are both in some seriously low spots, hopefully we get a great comeback story out of both of them. also theon will probably hear about robs death and have a good spot in the story as well.
i can't tell what stage of grief i'm in. maybe bargaining?
Hot Coldman
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At least Daenrys's situation is going as swimmingly as ever. I shouldn't hope like this, but I'm guessing there's no way she pops her clogs before she reaches Westeros. *crosses fingers oh-so-tightly*
Lord Bolton needs to die.
Lord Bolton needs to die.
Victory Red
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Who is in Winterfell right now? I know its fucked but at least its land.
Tyrion needs to put out a search party for his wife's family and they all set up shop in Winterfell, rebuild it. Tyrion builds a great empire and uses it to overthrow his shitty family in kings landing?
Yes? Probably no.
Tyrion needs to put out a search party for his wife's family and they all set up shop in Winterfell, rebuild it. Tyrion builds a great empire and uses it to overthrow his shitty family in kings landing?
Yes? Probably no.
He should have taken her with him. I can't see things going well for her from here on out.
They do not. Official word, straight from Tywin, is that Theon killed them.
Posted last page, he deliberately reacted and pushed her down so she wouldn't fight to the death for him:
She may hate him now but she gets to live, because the Wildlings didn't see her fight her own, her bearded boss tackled her immediately after.
Note the betrayal in her eyes.
I mean, I was a Stark fan too in the sense that I wanted them to come out on top, but did those of you complaining about nothing to watch in the show now really find the Robb's musings on what to do next, his post battle scenes of glory, and his chats with Catelyn and Talisa scenes that took up the bulk of his storyline more entertaining than the King's Landing stuff? I can understand the not having anyone to root for part, perhaps, but I think I always found the political maneuverings in the capital more enjoyable even if I didn't necessarily like the characters more.
It hasn't been revealed yet.
It hasn't been revealed yet.
Know what I don't understand yet. Where exactly is Theon? I thought that was Winterfell he was being tortured in.
Iron Born are still fucking shit up too.
Iron Born are still fucking shit up too.
I don't follow the show regularly (no books either), my gf does, but I'm starting to watch the current episodes with her on Sundays. While I have no idea of the bigger picture, I got the idea of what was happening and by the end of that scene she was crying. It was a reallly well done scene.
It was presumably at Bolton's place.
Show watches do not know.
Book readers have hinted they do, though.
The clues so far are that he is on a cross, the Bolton coat of arms. He's also clearly not being tortured by the Starks.
My guess? He's in a Bolton castle and they're using him to get the info about Bran and Rickon so they can control the North. Oh, and they're sadists.
Hot Coldman
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I wasn't being serious. I will very much watch and enjoy the show.
It's just such a crushing bummer. I couldn't take another "dead Ned" moment, and this is like that times 1000.
robotzombie
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I was thinking, with Robb gone, all of the north is ripe for making allegiance to Stannis. He can promise them revenge against the Lannisters. Whatever the north has left + whatever stannis has is at least something
Tormud seems like a pretty swell guy, I don't think he'd hurt her. I think the biggest problem is that she will hunt Jon down if it's the last thing she does and the rest of the watch could kill her.
EDIT:
Just remembered, there is one person who will stop at nothing to kill Bolton and Fray
Brienne! She is going to be mightily pissed off.
As things stand, I'm not really sure how the show will deal with it.
Without going further than this point in the books, at this point in time, all of the houses that remained south with Robb (as Karstarks went home and the Reeds were told to guard the neck) are...
Large Houses
- Manderlys (Led by Wyman Manderly, v. loyal to Starks and is currently head of White Harbor, the biggest city in the North, building a navy).
- Glovers (Led by Galbert Glover, v. loyal to Starks and led northern vanguard in S2)
- Mormonts (Jorah's family, very loyal to Starks, led by Maege Mormont seen in S2)
- Boltons (Traitors)
- Karstarks (Went Home)
- Reeds (Guarding the Neck)
- Umbers (Led by Greatjon, very loyal to Starks after losing fingers in S2)
Medium to Small Houses
- Tallharts
- Lockes
- Hornwoods
- Cerwyns
- Norreys
- Wulls
- Flints
- Norreys
- Rest of the mountain clains.
and then obv as the Starks united with the Tullys, who have
Large Houses
- Frey (Traitors)
- Mallister
- Blackwood
- Bracken
Medium to Small Houses
- Pipers
- Mootons
- Darrys
- Rygers
- Vances
all had casualties at the Red Wedding. However it's unfortunate as the TV show seems to imply that the Northern army is composed of a few random Stark men led by Robb, a few random Tullys (including the Blackfish) led by Edmure, Santa (who somehow had half of the Northern army....) and Roose Bolton.
It sucks a lot, because they at least had the Greatjon Umber, Mage Mormont, Galbart Glover and Tytos Blackwood, however for godknows what reason all of these have dissapeared. We DID see Wendel Manderly at the Red Wedding, but why the fuck they put him there has yet to be seen.
http://i.imgur.com/IwUu1U6.jpg
So yes, it's possible a Northern leader will rally them.
nah, the death of Ned was worse because he was a likeable characters
robbs story has been building up since the end of season 1. i felt like it had a lot of potential and it was gonna lead to some great things. overall, it wasn't where most of the interesting things were happening. most of the interesting stuff was with the other characters and in kings landing. there isn't really anything major to look forward to right now, everything feels so far away now.
Ignatz Mouse
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Counterpoint: Robb was in open rebellion against the Kingdom. Frey had not rebelled (or even picked a side). He owed Robb nothing. Also, I think that the Freys are Lords under some ofthe area, not the North. Tullys maybe?
Hot Coldman
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I liked Robb! Also they killed the hottest woman in the show.
AND THEY KILLED THE WOLF GOD DAMN IT
soundscream
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Ignatz Mouse
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Note the betrayal in her eyes.
In an episode with a lot of other shit going down, that image was surprisingly memorable. Like, she looks like an entirely different person, she's so pissed.
<joke>Producers just told her they're killing off her character in order to get this reaction from the actress.</joke>Note the betrayal in her eyes.
Note: Not a book reader, just making a joke.
Edit: Wow. The little jaw twitch really sells it. At least for me. Also, beautiful woman, in a non-traditional way. At least, IMO.
Hot Coldman
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This was rad as fuck. GREY WORM 4 LIFE
just a little note here, it would probably best to not 'speculate' since you seem to have read the books. Providing background information about the series is absolutely fine of course
Neon_Icarus
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I haven't read Storm of Swords yet, but was spoiled about the major event of episode 9. Now I'm kind of dreading watching it, especially after seeing some haunting pictures of Cat.
Maybe I should just wait a week and watch it with episode 10? There's bound to be something there to cheer me up (Sansa swearing revenge with Littlefinger, Arya transforming into a direwolf and killing everyone. Or something.) :/
Maybe I should just wait a week and watch it with episode 10? There's bound to be something there to cheer me up (Sansa swearing revenge with Littlefinger, Arya transforming into a direwolf and killing everyone. Or something.) :/
soundscream
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Well I just fucking ran into a huge fucking spoiler in search of that gif so no.
FUCK YOU INTERNET!!!!!!!!!
My mistake. They are under the Tullys. Per the wiki:
During the War of the Five Kings, Walder again delays coming to House Tully's summons when Edmure calls his banners in support of Robb Stark
So, yeah, it's my understanding that he was to serve his liege lord- be it Robb or Edmure- regardless and did not have any right to demand anything of them. (I think the reasoning they did the deal in the first place was just that Catelyn knew of his reputation for being a prickly old bastard and did not want to offend) Not really sure how the rebellion against the current rulers would figure into their oaths, though. That could be valid. I just really really want Walder to be completely in the wrong lol.
The Freys are bannermen of the Tullys. Of course, killing Cat is something of an attack on the Tullys, not to mention whatever happened with Edmure and the host of Tully men riding along with them.
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