Didn't they say something about them being animals from beyond the wall or something very uncommon?
And they were specifically helping him out.
Though i forgot about the fact that he hasn't seen them in years.
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Didn't they say something about them being animals from beyond the wall or something very uncommon?
And they were specifically helping him out.
Though i forgot about the fact that he hasn't seen them in years.
Let's not go there shall we?
Shadow2222
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At first I liked how the show (and book, I supposed) took great risks with killing off characters. Now, if I even continue to watch the show, I will simply refuse to become attached to any of the characters. What is the point if the major characters are all going to die?
bitizenbon
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You need to learn how to recognize the aesthetic value and game changer implications of that scene.
Root for the characters that you are least attached to. #teamstannis
Amibguous Cad
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I remember posts asking the same question when Ned got killed.
Aside from some of the (understandable) intense emotional reactions, I think most people that have stuck to the end of three seasons of this show realize that bad shit happens to everyone; honorable characters especially, due to the nature of the world. No one is safe. That creates a high level of unpredictability, which in turn produces a great deal of interest. Who will survive this? How will so-and-so die & when? It keeps people captivated- or at least it should, IMO.
Robb got shafted precisely because he was dishonorable, though. Ya can't win in the AGoT universe.
RebornYeti
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My thoughts on the blood shed at the end:
"Well, that escalated quickly."
But seriously, that was a huge shock. I actually kinda got teary eyed when it all went down. The next episode is going to be interesting.
"Well, that escalated quickly."
But seriously, that was a huge shock. I actually kinda got teary eyed when it all went down. The next episode is going to be interesting.
I don't think so, those two seem to have a lot of development coming, with the the three eyed crow and Jaqen.
only three (the Starks) died over the course of three seasons, out of at least a dozen major POV characters. What's the point if no one ever dies and nothing is at stake?
Robb didn't get shafted because he was "dishonorable." He died because he was still naive.
Can Crusher
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I wasn't ready.
Gotta say though, it kinda ruined it for me. I honestly don't care much about the Dragon queen at all, nor the God of light. Jaime and Tywin Lannister are cool but that's about that these days from that part of the story. I can't take much more of Ayria and John Snow's path is starting to get really really long in the tooth, and the paraplegic kid is just pain to watch.
Mostly just interested in seeing what happens with Jaime. It was incredibly well done, and well acted though.
Gotta say though, it kinda ruined it for me. I honestly don't care much about the Dragon queen at all, nor the God of light. Jaime and Tywin Lannister are cool but that's about that these days from that part of the story. I can't take much more of Ayria and John Snow's path is starting to get really really long in the tooth, and the paraplegic kid is just pain to watch.
Mostly just interested in seeing what happens with Jaime. It was incredibly well done, and well acted though.
The Horror the horror
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Nice.
Wouldn't the surest bet be #teamjoffrey ?
You mean Tyrion right?
Least attached doesn't mean hated..... I just ruined it didn't I? Stannis is gonna die now. Fuck....
TheJollyCorner
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now it's the "how", the "when", and the "what are the ramifications".
Think of it that way.
or just harken back to good ole' William Wallace/Mel Gibson: "Everyone dies, but not everyone truly lives."
*cue James Horner theme song*
Admiral Bone to Pick
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He broke his oath to marry one of Walder Frey's daughters. He died precisely because he acted dishonorably. There's really no other way around it.
Randy Lanzarote
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I wonder if the final shot of the series will be Tywin twirling his moustache thinking his family's legacy is now secure, and then cuts to Dany sailing across the sea with her armies and dragons in tow.
Realistically its going to be that or the White Walkers which are going to be provide the hook for next series, because the Stark's are pretty much fucked now and I have no idea where the threat will come from.
Well, aside from The Incredible Adventures of Rickon and Shaggy Dog.
Realistically its going to be that or the White Walkers which are going to be provide the hook for next series, because the Stark's are pretty much fucked now and I have no idea where the threat will come from.
Well, aside from The Incredible Adventures of Rickon and Shaggy Dog.
Nikodemos
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But breaking an oath is dishonourable, especially for a hoity-toity Stark.
Edit: beaten.
Psychoward
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Man, it's not just what happened that's shocking and ballsy, it''s how it happened. Rewatched it this afternoon, the music and Talisa especially are fucking haunting. Roose's look once Cat discovers what's going on, the doors being shut, ugh.
But he expected no consequence of it. He severely underestimated Tywin's abilities as a tactician and a strategist. You would think that the only bridge Robb can cross to get to the Lannister stronghold would be the perfect position for a trap. I can't argue that he wasn't dishonorable, but it falls under him being naive.
Why would they leave Edmure alive?
I thought he was killed outside, that's why they took him away under the pretense of "bedding".
But you can also look at it as Walder Frey had no right to request anything in the first place, since he was supposed to be a bannerman of the Starks (or Tully's?). And Robb's vow-breaking was about the most honorable way a dishonorable action could be committed, simply innocently falling in love with a woman instead of going through with an arranged marriage.
If anything, Walder Frey's complete lack of honor is what killed Robb. Robb made a mistake, yes, but an honorable man wouldn't have massacred an entire family and army for that mistake. And would have let Robb's army pass through without creating the situation that caused Robb to break a vow in the first place.
Psychoward
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I'll answer this one I guess, while I thought Robb took a nosedive this season by being very naive and shortsighted, the Starks/North as a whole were a much better overall option than the Lannisters to rule. With them pretty much done for, hope for a family rule that we've been introduced to sympathize with since ep1 is gone. A lot of people, myself included, thought that even though people would die in this show, it wouldn't be like this. I'm not too surprised Robb died, just that the way things happened this season pretty much nullifies the North of being independent at all.
the attack happened in relative secrecy, I don't think they would have killed Edmure out in the open in front of everybody
Incorrect.
The next episode is going to consist of Lannisters swaggering around being smug for 57 minutes.
Wasn't Frey Robb's liege lord? Just making demands in the first place instead of just opening the bridge and supporting his cause would be preposterous/dishonorable.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Saying that Robb was acting honorably because Walder Frey was acting dishonorably doesn't make sense. They both acted dishonorably. Difference is, Robb did it out of love, and Frey did it out of petty revenge. Robb's a good person so we're trying to act like he still acted honorably the whole thing. Point is, he didn't. Obviously he didn't deserve to get killed, but that doesn't change what he originally did.
Also Walder Frey was sworn to the Tullys of the Riverlands (Catelyn's house). Frey really had no allegiances to anyone in particular. As he claimed, he swore oaths to the Tullys, but he also swore an oath to the king. Seeing as how the Starks/Tullys were rebelling against the crown, he could have just an much justification to declare for Tywin. It was basically just an excuse to act selfishly and get what he wanted in the end. Once Robb insulted him and (later) started to lose the war, Frey simply switched sides to Tywin.
Psychoward
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Because now Frey has a Tully daughter.
Weren't the drinks poisoned anyway?
But we saw people outside the room being murdered.
AlimNassor
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My guess is zombies. Lots of zombies. As the dead are wished back to life and the White Walks are just looking for slaves. Robb isn't dead, he's just sleeping because he drank too much wine. This was all a dream of Tywin, just you watch. Tomorrow "It was all a dream of what would happen if Tywin wrote the series"
Can Crusher
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Absolutely not.
I like Tyrion, but lately he just doesn't have much to offer. Tywin on the other hand, I like his character more and more.
Considering how amazing the writing is for the most part, I expect some characters to grow on me in the future. But as things stand right now it's starting to feel like a marathon man... Kinda hope they kill Jamie quick, and then I'll just wait watch it all from start to finish in one of those crazy runs once the box set releases in 15 years.
Psychoward
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Also it wasn't just an arranged marriage, assuming Robb took the crown, Frey's daughter would be Queen. That's huuuuuuuuge, especially in this universe, and especially with a power-hungry bastard like Frey.
Liquidsnake
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I'm sorry I keep posting these, but I keep finding them and I can't resist.
This is good, and helps bring levity to a horrible situation.
Ninja Scooter
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yeah, I believe those were Robb's bannermen. They were caught completely by surprise though
I just don't think they killed Edmure yet, otherwise they would have shown in
don't think so, I assume Bolton just didn't drink anything because he had to be ready for what was about to go down
I didn't say that. I said Robb's dishonorable act is about the most honorable way of being dishonorable you could be. As in it barely qualifies as being a dishonorable thing. He fell in love with a woman. Not comprable to fathering a bastard or backstabbing a friend or what Walder Frey did.
Liquidsnake
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Isn't Baelish going to be a little pissed?
Wonder if the only thing he can say is "HODOR" when he's warging him.
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