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[Shads]

At least there are some answers to our questions, but it's still unclear what happens if the Xbox One goes offline and you end up playing a game at it's 24th hour. Does it automatically suspend your game on you? Cause that's a jackass expectation for something that's not in your control. I know this scenario is probably pretty rare, but hopefully that's not what it does and it allows you to keep playing until you quit the game.

Otherwise, these policies don't really affect me adversely, but I'm sure it will affect some people hence the outrage and meltdown in the other threads here. I do like the fact that I'll have access to my games digitally anywhere, it saves me from bringing games over to someone's house, and I think PS4 is doing the same thing, right? And if all games are on Blu-ray, these downloads can potentially be HUGE. It's going to take almost a whole day to download a 50GB game and I'm sure the likes of Kojima won't shy away from making a huge game (if I remember correctly, MGS4 took up an entire Blu-ray disc).

It's good that they were able to address some of these questions. And Microsoft and consumers will have "to agree to disagree" here and if you fall in that case, then good thing there is competition in gaming and you have other choices. I still don't understand all the outcry over Microsoft's business decisions, it's as if they murdered their family. If they crash and burn, then they figured the future wrong or too early for their own good. It's only a catastrophe if Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all ignored the core gamers.

I think Microsoft will do okay this gen, but Sony will likely reclaim the throne. And do I care if I'm wrong or right? Nope, as long as games are still fun, then I'm happy.

 

[Ishmae1]

Internet sharing from your phone.

Or smartglass?

 

[Phonomezer]

I feel a little bad that I'm so apathetic toward the whole DRM thing. I just don't care because I'm already used to it.

 

[MaGlock]

Pouring a 40 out for more of our banned homies. Well at the very least i can say Titanfall got me real pumped today. cant wait to see some video of that game its what ive wanted out of halo hell Multiplayer FPS for a while. Dedicated Servers massive battles and a big player count.

 

[PhatSaqs]

At least there are some answers to our questions, but it's still unclear what happens if the Xbox One goes offline and you end up playing a game at it's 24th hour. Does it automatically suspend your game on you? Cause that's a jackass expectation for something that's not in your control. I know this scenario is probably pretty rare, but hopefully that's not what it does and it allows you to keep playing until you quit the game.

I doubt there are online checks during actual gameplay and only occur at system/game start. This is how Xbox Music DRM currently works.

Damn Ford got himself banned? Whos gonna run the train now :/

 

[StudioTan]

Big one about always online is having updates in the background or game downloads without having to physically turn on the console.

I still have to fire up my PC or leave it on for games to download/update.

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Is it weird as a PC gamer that I'm interested in the One?

Feel like a unicorn here.

Hah, yesterday I bought Ni No Kuni for the PS3. I haven't gamed on my PS3 for a while. Put the game disc in, "you need to update your PS3". Update takes 15 minutes. Then FINALLY I can play, pop the disc in "this game requires installation, approx time is 10 mins". Gah! I won't miss that kind of crap.

 

[paynzee]

I'm gonna guess that the pre-show announcement is gonna be a price drop on the 360.

 

[Miles X]

I'm gonna guess that the pre-show announcement is gonna be a price drop on the 360.

It's a game I think? An X1 Exclusive

 

[Leflus]

So... I'm still a bit confused about the 24 hour check in. Is there any reason why we need to connect to the Internet more than once?

The same activation code can't be used on two different accounts at the same time, so it's not like we would be able to share our games with other people anyway.

(I'm asking in this thread because I don't want to be run over by "because MS is teh devil" replies.)

Edit: This too:

Why can't they make it so digitally bought games don't require the online check? You've obviously not sold it or lent it so it doesn't require authentication ...

 

[Gorki247]

At least there are some answers to our questions, but it's still unclear what happens if the Xbox One goes offline and you end up playing a game at it's 24th hour. Does it automatically suspend your game on you? Cause that's a jackass expectation for something that's not in your control. I know this scenario is probably pretty rare, but hopefully that's not what it does and it allows you to keep playing until you quit the game.

Probably some early warning to save before your time is up. Similar to the what you have on the 360 with the timed play sessions.

 

[Miles X]

Why can't they make it so digitally bought games don't require the online check? You've obviously not sold it or lent it so it doesn't require authentication ...

A digital only library removes the need to go online at all (only when you want to buy the games obviously)

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Big one about always online is having updates in the background or game downloads without having to physically turn on the console.

I still have to fire up my PC or leave it on for games to download/update.

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Is it weird as a PC gamer that I'm interested in the One?

Feel like a unicorn here.

A manlycorn.



But on a serious note, I do agree with you.

 

[BlazeGaj]

Why can't they make it so digitally bought games don't require the online check? You've obviously not sold it or lent it so it doesn't require authentication ...

A digital only library removes the need to go online at all (only when you want to buy the games obviously)

Because there is no disc based game. It's all digital so even if you buy a dd game you can still give it to a friend.

 

[clav]

Why can't they make it so digitally bought games don't require the online check? You've obviously not sold it or lent it so it doesn't require authentication ...

A digital only library removes the need to go online at all (only when you want to buy the games obviously)

Supposedly there is a loop hole with the current XBLA trial system that allow full versions to be played offline. In other words, people are stealing.

The online check removes that possibility.

 

[Phonomezer]

Why can't they make it so digitally bought games don't require the online check? You've obviously not sold it or lent it so it doesn't require authentication ...

A digital only library removes the need to go online at all (only when you want to buy the games obviously)

External HDDs perhaps? Not sure.

 

[paynzee]

It's a game I think? An X1 Exclusive

That's what I thought yesterday and someone said it wasn't?

So if it's a game then I'm thinking PGR would make sense.

oh no..Ford is gone, sad face.

 

[Miles X]

Because there is no disc based game. It's all digital so even if you buy a dd game you can still give it to a friend.

You can't give a DD game to a friend unless you're online, in which case it'd be erased from your account.

Supposedly there is a loop hole with the current XBLA trial system that allow full versions to be played offline.

Hmm, could you expand? That's a little confusing.

That's what I thought yesterday and someone said it wasn't?

So if it's a game then I'm thinking PGR would make sense.

Think you're getting pre show announcement and 360 announcement mixed up ;-)

 

[clav]

Hmm, could you expand? That's a little confusing.

The way how XBLA trials works is that the user actually downloads a full game that's in trial mode. Only a hashed key separates it from becoming a full one.

Users buy a key that's supposedly connected to the console ID of their accounts. That's why when you move your harddrive on a different console offline, it doesn't work as the games return to trial mode, and you have to go through the process of reassociating that key with the current console if you wish to gain the offline feature once more.

 

[BlazeGaj]

You can't give a DD game to a friend unless you're online, in which case it'd be erased from your account.

Ah yes makes sense. I can see your point of view now.

They needs to explain what happens after 24 hours.


I really hope that 3rd party if they decide to completely block used games have reasonable prices.

 

[StudioTan]

So... I'm still a bit confused about the 24 hour check in. Is there any reason why we need to connect to the Internet more than once?

The same activation code can't be used on two different accounts at the same time, so it's not like we would be able to share our games with other people anyway.

(I'm asking in this thread because I don't want to be run over by "because MS is teh devil" replies.)

Edit: This too:

Because you can still take the disc over to a friend's house and play it, you just need to log in with your account. If there was no check in you could leave that copy installed on his console. In fact, now that I think about it, wouldn't your friend basically have a free copy of that game for 24 hours?

 

[Monty Mole]

The way how XBLA trials works is that the user actually downloads a full game that's in trial mode. Only a hashed key separates it from becoming a full one.

And?

 

[Miles X]

The way how XBLA trials work is that the user actually downloads a full game that's in trial mode. Only a hashed key separates it from becoming a full one.

Hmm. Perhaps that could be changed to trials being a download of only the first 30 minutes of the game. Like a demo.

Ah yes makes sense. I can see your point of view now.

They needs to explain what happens after 24 hours.


I really hope that 3rd party if they are completely blocking used games have reasonable prices.

I only see EA and Acti doing that, even so it'd be dickish and unnecessary of them.

 

[José Mourinho]

I feel a little bad that I'm so apathetic toward the whole DRM thing. I just don't care because I'm already used to it.

I don't care for the same reason. Can't say I feel bad about it though.

As a Steam user I've long been accustomed to the idea of not being able to rent, borrow, lend or trade in. I'm set in the ways of buying a game, and that's it, it's mine forever.

It's for thoses reason that my head feels like it might burst when people have basically called me an idiot for suggesting that this is much the same as the Steam model so many of us are already used to. The reasons I've seen given as to what sets the two apart, are in my opinion, completely irrelevant. When I said this in another thread I was faced with reasons like you can mod on PC, change graphics settings and the prices were better to name a few. The first two are by virtue of the PC platform, the latter is simply about our wallets. None of these have a single thing to do with consumer rights.

It doesn't bother me on Steam and it won't bother me on Xbox One.

I can appreciate other peoples concerns, I just don't think a lot of people are being honest about how much a big deal this really is. I also think a lot of people are being selective with their arguments and criticisms.

But it is what it is.

 

[Stillmatic]

Er, the result is the same, EA for instance have the option to block or allow on both systems. How they're worded is irrelevant.

Not necessarily, one works the way it does now and one doesn't, because of the latter other restrictions come into play system wide (24hr checks etc).

 

[oVerde]

Why can't they make it so digitally bought games don't require the online check? You've obviously not sold it or lent it so it doesn't require authentication ...

A digital only library removes the need to go online at all (only when you want to buy the games obviously)

Sure they will address it or something 'cause it ain't no logic.

 

[clav]

Hmm. Perhaps that could be changed to trials being a download of only the first 30 minutes of the game. Like a demo.

I suppose they could ask developers to make a separate version of the game for trial, but that would take more work.

 

[José Mourinho]

Not necessarily, one works the way it does now and one doesn't, because of the latter other restrictions come into play system wide (24hr checks etc).

In theory, for now. But what if the publishers decide that they like how it works on Xbox One and then force you to have your game check in every 24 hours in order to force the same "security"?.

 

[shola]

i don't really care about drm, the only thing i was worried about was the ability to use different accounts in a house to play the same game.

i buy like 4 games a year, i have only lost internet for maybe 14 hours before it went back up. at least now if i lose or scratch my disk, i can still play the game perfectly fine.

 

[clav]

i don't really care about drm, the only thing i was worried about was the ability to use different accounts in a house to play the same game.

i buy like 4 games a year, i have only lost internet for maybe 14 hours before it went back up. at least now if i lose or scratch my disk, i can still play the game perfectly fine.

There's another concern that the hard drive dies.

What happens then?

I hope that hard drive tray is user serviceable.

Otherwise, that's batshit crazy to send the console back just for a hard drive replacement service.

 

[Doffen]

Damn it, Ford!
Who's now going to be the train conductor??

 

[clav]

Damn it, Ford!
Who's now going to be the train conductor??

You are the train conductor.

 

[BlazeGaj]

Hmm. Perhaps that could be changed to trials being a download of only the first 30 minutes of the game. Like a demo.



I only see EA and Acti doing that, even so it'd be dickish and unnecessary of them.

At least the 3rd party will stop moaning about it. I do understand their point of view though but they should lessen DLC stuff I hate them a lot unless its expanding the game with more content they should not charge you for costume and other stupid stuff. Either way this should make more consumer less wary buying a lot of game at the start..i think.

 

[Stillmatic]

In theory, for now. But what if the publishers decide that they like how it works on Xbox One and then force you to have your game check in every 24 hours in order to force the same "security"?.

I'm not too sure really, I'm not making any assumptions, just going off the information that we've received from various execs etc. This is the situation at the moment.

 

[StudioTan]

So does anyone else think my idea is plausible? If it only needs to check in every 24 hours, you can go to a friend's house, log in with your account, install the game and go offline. He can keep playing the game for the next 24 hours while you go home and play it as well. If he wants to play it again later you just need to log in at his location and log out again. I don't see how they can prevent that.

 

[Miles X]

So does anyone else think my idea is plausible? If it only needs to check in every 24 hours, you can go to a friend's house, log in with your account, install the game and go offline. He can keep playing the game for the next 24 hours while you go home and play it as well. If he wants to play it again later you just need to log in at his location and log out again. I don't see how they can prevent that.

Yeah they can't, same for selling your game just after you've logged online for the day. You essentially get to play the game for a day for free.

But it's not that big a deal really.

 

[StudioTan]

Yeah they can't, same for selling your game just after you've logged online for the day. You essentially get to play the game for a day for free.

But it's not that big a deal really.

A lot of games can be completed in a day though. Although I prefer the ones that take 60 hours to finish lol.

 

[paynzee]

So does anyone else think my idea is plausible? If it only needs to check in every 24 hours, you can go to a friend's house, log in with your account, install the game and go offline. He can keep playing the game for the next 24 hours while you go home and play it as well. If he wants to play it again later you just need to log in at his location and log out again. I don't see how they can prevent that.

But would you want to keep your account logged in at his house?

 

[XtremeXpider]

Yeah they can't, same for selling your game just after you've logged online for the day. You essentially get to play the game for a day for free.

But it's not that big a deal really.

If you play the game for the firs time, it will be activated to your account and cannot sell it to your friend.

 

[Miles X]

A lot of games can be completed in a day though. Although I prefer the ones that take 60 hours to finish lol.

Yeah if you think about it though it's no loss to anyone, whether you can play that game for an extra 24 hours or not. You've still had to buy it and sell it.

 

[killer rin]

32-64 player Agent battles in a fully destructible game world.

My God!

Make every building a playable area. Free for all.

 

[AgentP]

Damn it, Ford!
Who's now going to be the train conductor??

Or you can have mature conversations and skip the fan club antics?

 

[StudioTan]

But would you want to keep your account logged in at his house?

Ah, I see what you're saying, even if you're offline you're not logged out of the account. Good point. I suppose it depends on how much you trust your friends hehe.

I still think people will just create shared accounts. As long as you don't care about personal achievements and people are ok sharing time on the account I think it would work.

 

[paynzee]

Make every building a playable area. Free for all.

Agreed. I wonder if my Titan would be able to go into a building with me, lol.

 

[Miles X]

Or you can have mature conversations and skip the fan club antics?

Or you could quit it with your sly digs?

 

[shola]

how many new ips do you think ms will reveal during e3, i don't think titanfall is one since it is also on the 360 and is not from ms right?

 

[stktt]

Those 15 exclusives better be amazing.

 

[Doffen]

Or you can have mature conversations and skip the fan club antics?

That's like the worst suggestion I've ever seen.

 

[clav]

how many new ips do you think ms will reveal during e3, i don't think titanfall is one since it is also on the 360 and is not from ms right?

Titanfall is definitely one.

edit: derp. just read it's on EA's.

We'll see.

 

[Miles X]

how many new ips do you think ms will reveal during e3, i don't think titanfall is one since it is also on the 360 and is not from ms right?

It's new but it's not one of the 15!

If I had to bet out of their 15 exclusives

8 E3
2 Gamescon
1 TGS
4 E3 2014 (plus more announced but release outside of the 1st year launch window)

Along with third party exclusives that should be a good sum for both E3's.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Titanfall is definitely one.

TitanFall is an EA game, it is not one of the 15 games.