No, the BRD added a hundred dollars, and the production of the lasers was a mess, delaying production of the console.
Sony E3 press conference; June 10th 6PM PT/9PM ET
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boredandlazy
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It's not just game style. It's things like uncompressed CG sequences (FFXIII), uncompressed audio etc. Without Blu-Ray they just wouldn't have happened, you can't seriously tell me game developers would have shipped games on 5-6 DVD's like they did with CD's in the PS1 era?
Also in regards to MGS4, the chapter installs were not due to the media the game shipped on, they were there because of the relatively small Hard Drives that the initiall PS3 SKU's shipped with. Hence why a full install option was patched in along with the trophies last year.
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Blu Ray wasn't a mistake. It's just that Sony didn't expect the competition to be strong and the Wii to take off the way it did. Blu-Ray actually helped distinguish the PS3 from the other consoles. It's one of the best things about the system.
Sony fully expected to lose money on the PS3 to push their business model but the entire situation with the Yen and underperforming electronics division put a big strain on the company. What they should have done was to go with a simple architecture like the PS4.
Blu-Ray did hurt them but they were prepared for that.
Sony fully expected to lose money on the PS3 to push their business model but the entire situation with the Yen and underperforming electronics division put a big strain on the company. What they should have done was to go with a simple architecture like the PS4.
Blu-Ray did hurt them but they were prepared for that.
The Jason
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Yeah actually it was a bigger success than many people thought it would be. Obviously the future is digital downloads but back in '05 that was not as possible as it is today. We needed another physical medium.
I am looking forward to this press conference, it has the potential to swing the hobby of console gaming in a big way. Equal parts hopeful and nervous. There is a lot of noise on GAF these days and it is getting hard to parse, so I was wondering if SONY had mentioned anything about their DRM and what not yet?
It was because Sony's first party rules limited harddrive installs by size. And the installs were to help reducing loading time, and considering the loading times on 360 are uniformly better, that's irrelevant.
And Lost Odyssey on 360 is four DVDs.
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Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
Is there chance that next gen MGSV will be ps4 exclusive?
FlutterPuffs
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How are we on the issue of RPGs on both Playstation consoles? It's something I definitely miss from this generation, since they were far and between.
Psycho_Mantis
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With the PS4 we might get FFXV, MGSV, The Evil Within, GT6, (can't think of anything to replace DMC
), but its very similar. The big difference is that the PS2's games were all exclusive.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Dunno, sounds unlikely to me.
maquiladora
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I'm still pissed off this morning about the MS DRM Reveal last night.
It's really soured my hype for E3 at the moment.
It's really soured my hype for E3 at the moment.
The Jason
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Timed exclusive might be plausible, but it was announced for 360 so probably not full exclusivity.
Shadow Ranger
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If you open the game then there is no refund. That's how it works here. Unless it's damaged, which is different entirely where you usually get an exchange. Refunds mostly occur for sealed/unused goods.
boredandlazy
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And how many DVD's would a full quality version of God of War 3 have needed? How about a version of FFXIII that didn't have horrible CG? I'm not saying it wasn't doable, it just would have become the norm like it did for first party Sony games at least.
And personally I am thankful for Sony for sticking with Blu-Ray.
zeopower6
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Ewww, XIII on 360, lol.
I have no idea, and yes, some games like FFXIII would have been worse, no doubt. I didn't say it didn't result in a better console, I said it delayed the launch, and made the system cost a hundred dollars more, and those things hurt PS3 more than having better FFXIII cutscenes helped, which is basically, not at all. The delay alone meant everyone leading on 360, out the gate it meant the 360 was going to be the lead version of virtually every multiplatform game. Now that's not the case, Tomb Raider, BioShock, Saint's Row, etc, but now is irrelevant.
Going into the next generation I think you'll see a lot more Japanese devs jump on board the PS4 earlier than they did the PS3. They can't afford to be late this time.
mysteriousmage09
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It is cool to see that on the games side of things it's like the PS2 all over again. Now if only Sony could come out and start their conference stating "MS has missed the point, here's a real gamers machine" and put everyone to ease with the DRM fiasco, and shout "Now who wants to see some games!"
Play your cards right Sony, I mean for fuck sake MS just played a pair of 3's and you have all the means to throw down a straight flush.
Play your cards right Sony, I mean for fuck sake MS just played a pair of 3's and you have all the means to throw down a straight flush.
And presumably MS isn't loading Japan with dev kits and money hats because they know there's no point.
Obviously nice to hear confirmation from the likes of Kagari on this, but I think Sony's message so far has been pretty stronge evidence of this mindset already. The PS Meeting was littered with references to their gaming heritage; from soundbites to that fantastic video montage. The first game we saw looked like the kind of thing we might have seen from Sony in the PS2 days, and Cerny was constantly invoking the good vibes from Sony's most successful eras.
It all feels like Sony are accutely self aware of the relative battering they have received during the last 6/7 years and they are actively trying to return their image to one that represents them at their strongest. I think it's a good initial policy which will help secure the core install base, by getting as many Playstation fans as possible to make the transition.
Mikey Jr.
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At least Bluray won the war, but I heard Sony receives such a miniscule amount of that profit, I wonder if that was even worth it for them losing all that money on hardware with the PS3.
The good thing about Blu-ray is that it is probably the very last physical media they will make. I really don't see any other sort of physical disc after this, so at least Sony has Blu-ray locked down as the de facto storage disc for many, many years to come. I guess that counts for something.
The good thing about Blu-ray is that it is probably the very last physical media they will make. I really don't see any other sort of physical disc after this, so at least Sony has Blu-ray locked down as the de facto storage disc for many, many years to come. I guess that counts for something.
Right, as far as I've heard MS isn't really bothering with Japan.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Drive Club will have a show floor demo:
For those that are attending, grill them about wheel support and don't let up until they give you an answer.
For those that are attending, grill them about wheel support and don't let up until they give you an answer.
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I hope to god that you're right.
KillerMan91
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I really wonder how much stuff Sony saves for Gamescom. Completely new big games?
Napalm_Frank
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If the new IP from GG isn't announced at E3 I'd imagine GC is a safe bet.
Probably some of the more casual games, singstars and whathaveyou.
E3 is war time, it's go hard or go home time.
The Jason
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Nice. Looking forward to it
Well, one part of two. It helped devs. Cell just overcomplicated the matter. And now we do not have bc. In hindsight, going x86, would have been the best call. Bluray paid off, whilst cell as a bet didn't.
Cell forced multithreading on the developers, which is inherent in all the next-gen engines. Cell had almost the same result as the BRD in that sense.
Black Republican
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People in this thread are worried about PS4 not getting enough 3rd party exclusives? Really? it was only announced a couple hours ago Daylight is PS4 exclusive which looks pretty cool.
Got a link? Because there is no possible way that's true.
zeopower6
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Well, it's PC/PS4 as announced on GTTV.
kevcampbell
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http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/07/atlus-will-publish-daylight-on-playstation-4
I see no mention of exclusive but theres no mention of xbone there or if there is i missed it
3 Days to go! Almost there! Thought I'd come up with a list of 10 topics (one per day) we can all post about until E3 gets here.
#10 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60329837&postcount=6982
#9 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60528001&postcount=7732
#8 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60694437&postcount=8465
#7 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60887865&postcount=9407
#6 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61103593&postcount=10360
#5 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61324433&postcount=11530
#4 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61560673&postcount=12445
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Who is the best villain in a Playstation game?
Pick only 3 villains (or less).
1. The Boss (MGS3)
2. Cortex (Crash Bandicoot)
3. Gol and Maia (Jak and Daxter)
Oh sorry, that's not the game I thought it was, I was thinking the Dead Island game.
Downloadable games are often exclusive. They'll both get plenty of them.
And thanks to XB1 you won't never have to swap any disk at all. Thanks you base MS
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Fellow GAFfers post some "swag" E3 related while you there. Don't ask why but I love that stuff, maybe because I'm into Marketing & Communication.
I must thank fellow GAFfer A master Ninja for providing me some keychains, notepads, lanyards, etc Otherwise I would never be able to get them. :')
Those Drive Club shirts look amazing, can't wait to see more of the game. The video from yesterday got me hyped. I also need more Square Enix info too!
I must thank fellow GAFfer A master Ninja for providing me some keychains, notepads, lanyards, etc Otherwise I would never be able to get them. :')
Those Drive Club shirts look amazing, can't wait to see more of the game. The video from yesterday got me hyped. I also need more Square Enix info too!
It depends on the caliber of 3rd party exclusives. Operationalize caliber as $$$ to make/moneyhat. Plus, Daylight is on PC -- doesn't count.
Drive Club will have a show floor demo:
For those that are attending, grill them about wheel support and don't let up until they give you an answer.
Please no, there is nothing more boring than a racing game demo on a press conference.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Drive Club will have a show floor demo:
For those that are attending, grill them about wheel support and don't let up until they give you an answer.
SO wait... did they REALLY change the name to #DRIVECLUB?!
They've been using hashtag everywhere.
Show floor is not the same as press conference.
IonicSnake
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Lol yeah, i mixed shit up.
KillerMan91
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Yeah. That could be.
Sure E3 is the biggest event but for the past few years Sony has actually had decent conference in Gamesom too so they could leave some ''real'' games for it too. Makes it feel that they care about Europe. =P
3 Days to go! Almost there! Thought I'd come up with a list of 10 topics (one per day) we can all post about until E3 gets here.
#10 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60329837&postcount=6982
#9 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60528001&postcount=7732
#8 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60694437&postcount=8465
#7 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60887865&postcount=9407
#6 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61103593&postcount=10360
#5 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61324433&postcount=11530
#4 is here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61560673&postcount=12445
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Who is the best villain in a Playstation game?
Pick only 3 villains (or less).
1. Psycho Mantis - Metal Gear Solid - PS one
2. Albert Wesker - Resident Evil series - PS one, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3
3. Dr Neo Cortex - Crash Bandicoot - PS one
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