Sorry I was LTTP! Quicky and dirty. Source of Contra/duckhunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16U394NZSTk
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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He's not wrong. We had two thread in the last three weeks on how people should go out and educate the poor masses to the horror that the Xbone will bring to the world. Come on.
You might hold the opinion that this is a console war. This is a consumer fight.
If you catch some that support these threads now that then turn and campaign against the same treatment for Sony (if they choose to go that route too) then you'd have a point.
Edit: I just realized this is the eSRAM yield thread and not the anti-consumer thread. If there is a campaign against buying the Xbone due to failing yields that's different from the anti-consumer practices.
This downclocking GPU/memory rumor is bad for everyone. Multiplatform players on Xbone, PS4 and PC.
chertipros
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You can say that the xbone failing would be good for the industry, but I've seen so many shit posts lately that it seems like the fanboys are enjoying the schadenfreude more than anything else
Sorry I was LTTP! Quicky and dirty. Source of Contra/duckhunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16U394NZSTk
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And again, this is not only about MS.
If Sony goes the same route, they will get the same treatment. They took tons of shit on GAF at the time of the PS3 launch, and then with the Vita.
It's just a bit too easy to dismiss valid concerns by reducing them as coming from Sony fanboys. This is was this Brad guy does.
Am I seeing things or did your avatar get blurrier because of the downclock rumors?
Relaxed Muscle
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You can't be too guillible to think is just Sony fans. If Sony were to do the same thing the backslash will be as strong.
Shai-Tan
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kingkaiser
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GAF Revelation Chapter 4, Verse 1
Go and spread the word of your favorite manufacturer
I don't own a PS3 or a Vita. Try again, Brad.
The reason people want the Xbox One to fail is because its business model is anti-consumer.
bigboss370
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very disingenuous to call GAF Sony fanboys.
Stiflers Mom
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I for one, would admit, that I am not that pro Sony, but anti Microsoft in the console space.
I really like Windows 7, and for me .NET is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but for some reason that I cannot explain I don't want them to be in the console business.
It's not that I don't have anything against american consoles, I loved all the ami consoles back in the 80ies, like the Vectrex, the Coleco and the Atari VCS.
It's just that I want Microsoft to fail in console space. They don't belong there, and I despise their business tactics.
(I have to admit though, that the 360 was a well thought out piece of kit.)
I really like Windows 7, and for me .NET is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but for some reason that I cannot explain I don't want them to be in the console business.
It's not that I don't have anything against american consoles, I loved all the ami consoles back in the 80ies, like the Vectrex, the Coleco and the Atari VCS.
It's just that I want Microsoft to fail in console space. They don't belong there, and I despise their business tactics.
(I have to admit though, that the 360 was a well thought out piece of kit.)
I see that as being totally different from the gaming division.
I like Windows 8 and use Office etc etc
But I have a PS3 because free online, better (to me) exclusive games, blu-ray
But that doesnt mean I have a Sony walkman and a Sony Braviva TV
maximum360
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When I joined this was definitely Sony-Land [PS vs N64 era]. With the release of the DC, GC, and Xbox there was a bit more variety but still PS was pretty dominant. This gen was probably the most balanced. The way some talk though it was seem almost as if Microsoft personally kicked their dog. I would like Microsoft to face some backlash due to the decisions they've made but I still want them to be viable in the long run. Healthy competition is always good for gamers in the end.
qa_engineer
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Brad Shoemaker is an idiot. I only OWN one PS3 okay, BRAD. JK.
To say that NeoGAF has a hard-on to see Xbone is an understatement, but to say all of this hate is coming from Sony fanboys is just lazy. I see negative posts and rants against Microsoft from all fanboy factions on GAF.
To say that NeoGAF has a hard-on to see Xbone is an understatement, but to say all of this hate is coming from Sony fanboys is just lazy. I see negative posts and rants against Microsoft from all fanboy factions on GAF.
velociraptor
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Why does CBOAT p.sot liek thisa ll thet ime
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LOL at the GiantBomb guy saying it's purely Sony fanboys. I owned a 360 and nearly 100 games for it.
Sorry, Brad. This isn't a fanboy issue. This is a consumer rights issue. Pull back from Microsoft's teat and open your eyes and you might be able to see that.
Sorry, Brad. This isn't a fanboy issue. This is a consumer rights issue. Pull back from Microsoft's teat and open your eyes and you might be able to see that.
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I find this just baffling. After what happened to Sony at the start of this generation with the PS3, how does Microsoft end up in this situation? 8 years of hindsight. Not to mention their own RROD fiasco. I just don't get it. Didn't their leaked roadmap call for a 2013 release? How did they get themselves into a situation where they had to rush?
Neuromancer
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It's also full of frothing MS fans and frothing Nintendo fans... I don't get it. A lot of people who have turned on the Xbone were Xbox 360 players like myself. I don't want the system to fail, I want it to not be anticonsumer.
"Consumer rights"? Sounds really entitled to me.
does nobody remember back to 2006 when you couldn't find a positive article about the PS3??...
I don't think its fanboys (some are surely) but instead its people reacting to MS' complete botching of EVERYTHING regarding the Xbone up to this point.
Interfectum
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Exactly. Fucking ironic as hell Brad calling anyone fanboys the way he gobbles up whatever Valve and Microsoft feed him.
Wiiu had lots of it issues leading upto and in the first few months of launch. It had its limelight.
I think it being underpowerd and overpriced makes it a little too difficult a sell. Third party is a no go, except in the case of bayonetta 2.
I'd probably buy a wiiu somewhere down the line for that.
I think it being underpowerd and overpriced makes it a little too difficult a sell. Third party is a no go, except in the case of bayonetta 2.
I'd probably buy a wiiu somewhere down the line for that.
EscoBlades
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To be fair, he then goes on to say this a few lines after:
Dunno if people are deliberately missing that.
Brad S is emblematic of the enthusiast press. They don't have education. They're illiterate to economics. They don't understand things on a macro level. They don't understand the chilling affect this is going to have on the industry and how it only is going to consolidate the market share of the AAAA publishers (which is why they want it).
Being tone deaf to consumers is understandable since they don't pay money for their games. I've morphed into a "Will wait for Steam sale" and never pay over 7.50 for a game any more. So I almost understand how this changes your viewpoint. I'm almost paying nothing for my games. And it changes things a ton. But I'm outraged because it's going to radically affect everything. And it's because the AAAA publishers are engaged in a power play to consolidate the market under their grasp. This will affect eveyone's choices. And tiered pricing isn't going alleviate things. #1) They have a monopoly. #2) Big budget titles can't survive with everyone taking a "Will wait for Steam sale" mentality. You need that 60 dollar market (and the used game market that funds it).
Being tone deaf to consumers is understandable since they don't pay money for their games. I've morphed into a "Will wait for Steam sale" and never pay over 7.50 for a game any more. So I almost understand how this changes your viewpoint. I'm almost paying nothing for my games. And it changes things a ton. But I'm outraged because it's going to radically affect everything. And it's because the AAAA publishers are engaged in a power play to consolidate the market under their grasp. This will affect eveyone's choices. And tiered pricing isn't going alleviate things. #1) They have a monopoly. #2) Big budget titles can't survive with everyone taking a "Will wait for Steam sale" mentality. You need that 60 dollar market (and the used game market that funds it).
Interfectum
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Damage control. He said what he ment and then backed down.
Indeed.
Bitmap Frogs
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Brad's portrayal of GAF's rejection of Microsoft's anti consumer bullshit is manipulative.
I am too a X360 owner shocked and horrified both at Microsoft's plans and at how these supposed journalists are defending them.
tfur
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If this means anything, it's that we probably shouldn't expect any meaningful assistance from most of gaming journalism in relation to Xbone's anti-consumer problems (in this case, I do believe that Brad's notion is a common one).
hooijdonk17
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XBOX 0.9
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Relaxed Muscle
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Wii U dosn't exist on GAF, in publishers mind or in people mind.
But if Sony follows MS it will be probably my console of choice.
3rdamention
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Many, many people on GAF this generation preferred Xbox....GAF was far from a pro Sony site this gen..
BruiserBear
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These new Xbox One policies are not reasonable Brad, so they don't deserve reasonable responses.
This "let's be reasonable" talk is basically another way of saying "Let's be realistic folks, these companies are losing a lot of money to used games you know". Towing that fucking corporate bullshit, apologist line. Your reactions to this entire mess have been weak at best, and you've lost credibility in a lot of people's eyes when you basically turn the other cheek and act like this is all just par for the course.
Corporations don't give a fuck about reasonable. If they did we wouldn't be seeing a three page list of new policies for this console.
I bought an Xbox 360 on launch day, and spent the majority of my gaming time the past 8 years on that console. I did not buy a PS3 at launch btw. I guess I'm just another Sony fanboy though. The shit storm around here will be just as strong if the PS4 announces similar policies, but of course then you'll be happy, because we'll be forced into "reasonableness".
Various Artists
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Man, I love GB but I think both Jeff and Brad (the most vocal so far) have just really missed the point on this. Makes me feel a bit sad because before my ideals and theirs lined up so well.
SpartanAGM
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Nice to see members of other sites calling out gaf on this.
BruceLeeRoy
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CBOAT's whole motivation like other MS insiders that are slipping information is to hopefully wake the suits up and bring positive change. He isn't on a witch hunt for no reason he is hoping this storm brings about sunnier days.
Thanks! Kinda my first try at gif'ing stuff.
I think he did add another layer of blurriness...lol It wasn't this blurry.
Are you being sarcastic? I cannot tell nowadays with how people are.
Either way, NeoGAF isn't what that guy is painting it to be. Were you around for E3 2006? Or hell, just the Vita and WiiU recently...
KojiKnight
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The proper response when your favorite game system has unfavorable news is to blame the people who are attacking said bad move instead of just admitting the miss step then moving on.
We've seen it with 3DS, we've seen it with Vita, we've seen it in Wii U, and now we're seeing it in XBone. And all of these just happened within the last 2 years!
We've seen it with 3DS, we've seen it with Vita, we've seen it in Wii U, and now we're seeing it in XBone. And all of these just happened within the last 2 years!
milkham
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did you watch their video of them trying to break it down?
i think they see it now
http://youtu.be/1StPJgWkN-U
Why are people annoyed at this comment? Its true, we want them to fail, I want them to fail, everything they have shown its nothing but innovation in the field of publisher dickery and the transparent atempts to hide this makes them a bigger target. The reserve judgement thing is stupid tho, after the reveal Sessler asked us to reserve our judgement and look how that worked out for him:
Adam Sessler ‏@AdamSessler 19h
This is the best part of pre-E3. Calls canceling demos and appointments. Time to invest in Pepcid.
Relaxed Muscle
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The fact he says that GAF is like a Sony fort in internet or something, implying is just a matter of fanboyism.
Interfectum
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I don't mind people observing however accurately that lots of people on the board want the thing to fail; that much is evident. The second part of the statement is why you should be upset. It presupposes that the reason "GAF" wants it to fail is because of rabid fanboyism and not because of any rational belief or conceit. It's bullshit, but it's not unsurprising.
edit: His newer post is just bizarre to me. I guess he would say he does not have fierce brand loyalty to Microsoft.
edit: His newer post is just bizarre to me. I guess he would say he does not have fierce brand loyalty to Microsoft.
travisbickle
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The man who writes "GAF has such a hard-on to see the Xbox One fail" claims he's grown out of fanboyism?
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