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[USC-fan]

Is the xbone gold only?

This coming from ex-ms guy on by3d on cboat comments.

if I was a guessing man, I'd say he is implying there is no free live tier, it's gold all the way.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748052&postcount=4453

I just don't believe that at all.

 

[BRocknRolla]

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep, but I have promises to keep.

And miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep.

Remember.

Miles to go before I sleep.

Frost Protocol?

 

[Casimir]

It's technically paying to have Bayonetta 2... it's just that they payout isn't going directly to a company's warchest, it's actually getting the game made. It'd be ideally the reason games become exclusive, a hardware holder offers to save it from development hell rather than going "hey that's a pretty big franchise you have, how about you cut out the others and stick with us?" as the case was with Tomb Raider.

... Though given the Saturn's sorry state maybe that just happened by default.

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According to the most recent rumors, it looks like my prediction might be right and Sony actually contracted FROM software to develop a console exclusive title for the PS4. But this is on top of FROM independently developing Dark Soul's 2 for PC/Xbox One/PS4. I don't think we've heard any rumors or news about other franchises that have been locked up by one or the other console makers though. So we're heading into E3 on a slightly positive note.


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Trust me, everything that happened to the Saturn was SEGA's fault.

 

[Trent Strong]

If ME 2 is Xbox exclusive I'll shoot myself.

 

[NingenJanai]

If ME 2 is Xbox exclusive I'll shoot myself.

Don't worry, there will probably be at least a PC version down the line.

 

[CambriaRising]

It's technically paying to have Bayonetta 2... it's just that they payout isn't going directly to a company's warchest, it's actually getting the game made. It'd be ideally the reason games become exclusive, a hardware holder offers to save it from development hell rather than going "hey that's a pretty big franchise you have, how about you cut out the others and stick with us?" as the case was with Tomb Raider.

... Though given the Saturn's sorry state maybe that just happened by default.

The market is different now. Development budgets are just too big to cut out entire fanbases.

 

[makingmusic476]

Is the xbone gold only?

This coming from ex-ms guy on by3d on cboat comments.



http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748052&postcount=4453

I just don't believe that at all.

I could easily see them try and justify this by saying every games uses cloud stuffs.

 

[Soi-Fong]

If ME 2 is Xbox exclusive I'll shoot myself.

Too niche to be an exclusive... They lose a shitton of sales by not developing on PS4.

 

[Brinbe]

wow, they wanted a way to make it worse and that would certainly be it... I never bothered with XBL for seven years and fuck if I'd start with the X-Bone (if I ever hypothetically bought it). Just another strike, if true.

 

[Tallshortman]

Yeah MS spending money on a game that will have a hard time with sales in the first place (ME2) sounds pretty stupid, but then again they've apparently resorted to paying for timed announcement exclusivity so who the hell knows what they're going to waste their money on next.

 

[hawk2025]

Too niche to be an exclusive... They lose a shitton of sales by not developing on PS4.

A niche game is cheaper may be easier to buy off as an exclusive, though.

Can't wait to see all of this revealed tomorrow!

 

[BRocknRolla]

Is the xbone gold only?

This coming from ex-ms guy on by3d on cboat comments.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1748052&postcount=4453

I just don't believe that at all.

Even for MS, no way in hell. That would effectively mean the console required a monthly subscription and they haven't said anything remotely hinting that. That would simply be too big a bomb. It's one thing to require people to endure your restrictions and Internet connectivity requirements, it's another to require everyone to pay on top. Xbl Gold will still exist, but in the same way it exists on the 360. I'd put money on that. Would be too crazy to make everyone require it.

 

[Chance Hale]

The worse DRM stuff seems awfully vague. What could they add in addition to what's already been stated?

The Rare game is what should have been leaked!

 

[Eusis]

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According to the most recent rumors, it looks like my prediction might be right and Sony actually contracted FROM software to develop a console exclusive title for the PS4. But this is on top of FROM independently developing Dark Soul's 2 for PC/Xbox One/PS4. I don't think we've heard any rumors or news about other franchises that have been locked up by one or the other console makers though. So we're heading into E3 on a slightly positive note.


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Trust me, everything that happened to the Saturn was SEGA's fault.

Yeah, this would be another positive example to me: they're actively seeking out and contracting a game to be made for them. I could imagine this may be why Miyazaki isn't on Dark Souls 2, although this one's a wild card as it may well be forcing more developers there to get cozy with Dark Souls and good at developing more, and as a result we get two viable series. Or at least two really good games.

Also can't argue with you about the Saturn's failing being SEGA's fault, I can't see Tomb Raider 2 or Tomb Raider 3 magically saving the system, especially since it sounds like Bernie Stolar was all set to shitcan the console.

Even for MS, no way in hell. That would effectively mean the console required a monthly subscription and they haven't said anything remotely hinting that. That would simply be too big a bomb. It's one thing to require people to endure your restrictions and Internet connectivity requirements, it's another to require everyone to pay on top. Xbl Gold will still exist, but in the same way it exists on the 360. I'd put money on that. Would be too crazy to make everyone require it.

Admittedly I almost hope they do, just dig that hole so deep that there really is no chance at success, or possibly if it DOES succeed it's so exclusive it opens a vacuum that Nintendo and/or Sony capitalize on. Still, it's ALMOST hope because there's still the worst case scenario of them somehow taking off wildly and now we're all stuck having to get a heavily locked down console that requires a yearly subscription to use, and even as a mild chance it's not a risk I'm really willing to take.

 

[USC-fan]

I could easily see them try and justify this by saying every games uses cloud stuffs.

Yeah I said that samething.

Wow does Ms have the balls to do this? Fucking nuts!

Even for MS, no way in hell. That would effectively mean the console required a monthly subscription and they haven't said anything remotely hinting that. That would simply be too big a bomb. It's one thing to require people to endure your restrictions and Internet connectivity requirements, it's another to require everyone to pay on top. Xbl Gold will still exist, but in the same way it exists on the 360. I'd put money on that. Would be too crazy to make everyone require it.

I agree.

But they could say there is no offline game anymore. I could see how they can market it. It would be fucking crazy

 

[PhatSaqs]

The worse DRM stuff seems awfully vague. What could they add in addition to what's already been stated?

Would love to have further interpretation of this as well.

 

[CambriaRising]

Even for MS, no way in hell. That would effectively mean the console required a monthly subscription and they haven't said anything remotely hinting that. That would simply be too big a bomb. It's one thing to require people to endure your restrictions and Internet connectivity requirements, it's another to require everyone to pay on top. Xbl Gold will still exist, but in the same way it exists on the 360. I'd put money on that. Would be too crazy to make everyone require it.

Some would say that it would be too crazy for a console to block used games but...

 

[BigDug13]

The worse DRM stuff seems awfully vague. What could they add in addition to what's already been stated?

The Rare game is what should have been leaked!

Well if they're requiring every developer to require the cloud for their games, they're essentially making every game require a constant internet connection instead of once every 24 hours. So while their console has a mandatory requirement every 24 hours, each game will require constant connection to "the cloud" to function.

 

[Soi-Fong]

Even for MS, no way in hell. That would effectively mean the console required a monthly subscription and they haven't said anything remotely hinting that. That would simply be too big a bomb. It's one thing to require people to endure your restrictions and Internet connectivity requirements, it's another to require everyone to pay on top. Xbl Gold will still exist, but in the same way it exists on the 360. I'd put money on that. Would be too crazy to make everyone require it.

Hello...? This is Microsoft. Just a few months ago people were saying it was impossible for them to implement an online policy or DRM.

I think, if anything expect that ANYTHING can happen.

 

[AznSniper]

If ME 2 is Xbox exclusive I'll shoot myself.

It's not. CBoaT only mentioned one exclusive from EA and that is TitanFall. This will be one of those paid games where EA can only mention that ME2 is in development for Xbox One but the PS4 version is developing alongside behind the scenes and will release day and date with the Xbox One version.

 

[Tamerlane]

"Those 'gamers' talk big now, but will they be able to resist the allure of World of Tanks and a brand new Prince of Persia? Mwahahahaha" *sips mountain dew orange roguishly*

 

[GillianSeed79]

^_^ ONE drm tos plans iws worse than you know. asmnow btw but I can;t get cororobating proof frrorm my fpeoples. theyr sadcared for jobs. it s com*ing tho IT IS COMING ):

This is the shit that scares me the most. New Prince of Persia? Great. But this, this. Jesus fucking christ. That "This isn't even my final form" pic is apt I guess and (LOL), but I'm at the point that even if they show Star Trek The Next Generation's Holo Deck at E3 I'm not jumping in.

The only way this shit gets worse is if this DRM is on PS4 too. Maybe not first-party titles, but Ubi, EA and Activision might seem obvious at this point. Oh, God, what is IT IS COMING mean? No used, no rentals, no borrowing, etc? Both on closed platforms? Good God, save us.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

It's not. CBoaT only mentioned one exclusive from EA and that is TitanFall. This will be one of those paid games where EA can only mention that ME2 is in development for Xbox One but the PS4 version is developing alongside behind the scenes and will release day and date with the Xbox One version.

I read a rumor somewhere else saying it was exclusive to the Xbox, infamousmortimer was it?

I find it difficult to read his post but it doesn't look like he confirmed or denied, so could be true.

I don't know who this guy is but I wish he'd say what the Rare game is lol

 

[SparkTR]

It's not. CBoaT only mentioned one exclusive from EA and that is TitanFall. This will be one of those paid games where EA can only mention that ME2 is in development for Xbox One but the PS4 version is developing alongside behind the scenes and will release day and date with the Xbox One version.

TitanFall is also on PC though, I would've though the actual EA exclusive would be a bit more exclusive.

 

[Chance Hale]

Well if they're requiring every developer to require the cloud for their games, they're essentially making every game require a constant internet connection instead of once every 24 hours. So while their console has a mandatory requirement every 24 hours, each game will require constant connection to "the cloud" to function.

Ah, that is a possibility I hadn't considered. I really don't understand Microsoft's gameplan right now. They're going to need to show off some INCREDIBLE games tomorrow for me to really even think of the console if certain elements aren't clarified to be more lenient.

 

[antitrop]

Despite my rather deflated hype at all the news of Microsoft's newest console being completely unworthy of purchase I'm still excited to see Dead Rising 3 and Mirror's Edge 2.

Prince of Persia could go either way, I'm not expecting much.

 

[I H8 Memes]

The only reason I'm even watching MS E3 conference tomorrow is to see trailers for all the games I will be buying on PC and PS4.

 

[AznSniper]

TitanFall is also on PC though, I would've though the actual EA exclusive would be a bit more exclusive.

It's possible that ME2 is announced for the X1/PC but cannot talk about the PS4 version.

 

[kittens]

The only reason I'm even watching MS E3 conference tomorrow is to see trailers for all the games I will be buying on PC and PS4.

Same here, haha.

 

[Eusis]

The only reason I'm even watching MS E3 conference tomorrow is to see trailers for all the games I will be buying on PC and PS4.

Admittedly I can see the whole "we bring the games!" thing as something of a CHALLENGE: will Microsoft themselves publish games of genuine interest to myself anyway, or will it all look like crap and this the system becomes a joke to disregard?

Or maybe the one game I'm interested in ends up on 360, but that still means temptation for X1 would be at 0.

 

[MercuryLS]

The only reason I'm even watching MS E3 conference tomorrow is to see trailers for all the games I will be buying on PC and PS4.

This. I've never actively hated a system before than the Xbox one. I really hope it flops so bad that MS is forced to leave console gaming for good.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Wait so there is very very very little chance that MS is going to drop the subscription fee right?

How the hell will a game like World of Tanks work then? I mean I guess if you already paying for the service it won't bother many people....but I mean damn.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Hello...? This is Microsoft. Just a few months ago people were saying it was impossible for them to implement an online policy or DRM.

I think, if anything expect that ANYTHING can happen.

I still don't buy it. An old adage I picked up in law school was, "If you want to make someone angry, punch them in the face. If you want someone to pay attention to you, punch them in the wallet."

MS may have been willing to hit us in the face with all the DRM and other restrictions, but a lot of people will buy anyway despite the anger. If you start requiring additional charges to play anything at all on the console, you're hitting people's wallets, and that reaction would likely be very negative and too severe. Just my opinion obviously, and as you said, anything is possible, but I think the PR blowback would be unthinkable (Even more than the DRM).

 

[metalslimer]

It's going to be fun watching the dilmena people face of hating Xbox One horrible DRM policies if they have an amazing games show.

I just want them to top this whole thing off with a 1 SKU 550 US DOLLARS

 

[Monty Mole]

Microsoft is actively attempting to make sure that multi-platform titles do not mention the PS4 version ("buying" the non-mentions--presumably by offering incentives). As a result, there will be titles that do not have a PS4 version mentioned, but are arriving on PS4. Unless exclusivity is explicitly specified, there is a PS4 version behind the scenes, but it's not being discussed.

Sony does this every year too. And we'll see it again this year. Remember when everyone thought Assassin's Creed was exclusive to PS3?

 

[mjontrix]

biggest statement the people at e3could do is... walk out of Ms's conference tomorrow and not cover it, but that is wishful thinking.

Better yet, just pretend that the thing doesn't even exist. It would become some sort of deformed meme - when someone asks about the Xbone refer to the HTC one and act confused? That would teach them a lesson on not ticking off the press. That won't happen though, as long as they're paying in Mountain Dew and Doritos there's going to be at least one journalist who'll defend them to the end...

I just don't get why people keep talking about Mirror's Edge 2 and Dead rising 3. The most hilarious part of all this is the comment about F2P games being behind a paywall XDD. And the DRM part...just wow

Rigt now there is no game in the world I'd buy this console.

I LOL'd at the suggestion of hiding F2P games behind Gold subscription paywall - that sorta defeats the purpose. If Sony makes Planetside 2 F2P on the PS4 then Microsoft is going to have a hard time convincing people to fork out for Gold.

At the end of the day the only people who will be buying this are Soccer Moms and fanbois who think COD and BF only exist on Xbox. That's it. They'll lose nearly all of Europe, Asia, possibly most of the UK and only end up being a console for the USA. Unfortunately that works, as the PSP showed in Japan; and could further encourage their draconian DRM system.

 

[CambriaRising]

Sony does this every year too. And we'll see it again this year. Remember when everyone thought Assassin's Creed was exclusive to PS3?

That's because Ubisoft said it would be on Ps3 and PC and denied 360 at e3 2006.

 

[TripOpt55]

The only reason I'm even watching MS E3 conference tomorrow is to see trailers for all the games I will be buying on PC and PS4.

That is how I'm feeling at the moment.

 

[scitek]

Is it wrong to want something to fail?

Fuck no. I want the One to fail so hard.

It's possible that ME2 is announced for the X1/PC but cannot talk about the PS4 version.

According to the GI article that leaked, they said they didn't want to take resources away and focus on making the best experience possible for fewer platforms...you know, that whole BS PR thing.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

^_^

 

[Xpliskin]

it's even worse than we thought regarding microsoft, holy shit

 

[SRTtoZ]

Yeah I said that samething.

Wow does Ms have the balls to do this? Fucking nuts!



I agree.

But they could say there is no offline game anymore. I could see how they can market it. It would be fucking crazy

I don't believe it one bit! Nope I do not Sir! Then again, every single rumor that no one wanted to believe has come true so far. This is insane.

 

[Magicpaint]

Ugh. Microsoft.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Well if they're requiring every developer to require the cloud for their games, they're essentially making every game require a constant internet connection instead of once every 24 hours. So while their console has a mandatory requirement every 24 hours, each game will require constant connection to "the cloud" to function.

I thnk that's exactly what it means. We know already that MS planned to have a 24/7 DRM policy but backed off to this one hour thing because of the public outrage. I can almost guarantee you MS plans to get everyone on board with an everyday, every minute DRM/Cloud thingamajig in the future.

 

[Killthee]

I just don't get why people keep talking about Mirror's Edge 2 and Dead rising 3. The most hilarious part of all this is the comment about F2P games being behind a paywall XDD. And the DRM part...just wow

Rigt now there is no game in the world I'd buy this console.

The saddest thing about that is that it's nothing new....

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=495235

 

[CaptainTiptop]

Gematsu has posted an article about this thread. Hope CBOAT keeps his tracks covered.

http://gematsu.com/2013/06/rumor-microsoft-buying-ps4-non-mentions-more

Damn, was hoping no one would report on his stuff due to his style. Hope he stays safe.

 

[TheOGB]

CBoaT you crazy goddamned legend, thank your for gracing us on the eve of E3.

Christ almighty, Microsoft going full-blown evil on us. I mean it's one thing to joke about, but if this is true--and this is CBoaT we're talking about... Holy shit.

 

[Steroyd]

Would anyone else be able to enjoy the Sony conference a lot more if they addressed the DRM situation either before the conference or right at the start?

The problem Sony has is that they could show all these awesome games megaton after megaton for a solid 2 hours, only to get gut punched by DRM announcement near or at the end. (kinda what happened with their 2005 conference and the price).

If they address it at the start I can breathe and enjoy the games they announce and have my mind blown fully.

 

[Eusis]

I thnk that's exactly what it means. We know already that MS planned to have a 24/7 DRM policy but backed off to this one hour thing because of the public outrage. I can almost guarantee you MS plans to get everyone on board with an everyday, every minute DRM/Cloud thingamajig in the future.

I'm guessing the "even harsher" DRM is basically just mandating cloud use in all games to some extent, even if it's just where the saves go. Ergo, they technically allow 24 hours off without cloud support, but as no game WON'T support the cloud eventually they're all effectively always online games.

... That'd probably cause the platform to implode if they couldn't keep up with demand, every damn new launch will bring everything crashing down, nevermind maintenance or the internet just randomly giving out.

The problem Sony has is that they could show all these awesome games megaton after megaton for a solid 2 hours, only to get gut punched by DRM announcement near or at the end. (kinda what happened with their 2005 conference and the price).

If they address it at the start I can breathe and enjoy the games they announce and have my mind blown fully.

I really do hope them being hush hush is because they're not announcing absurd DRM plans, but have instead chosen to weaponize their lack of DRM. It's normally not something that's really a big deal, but when your competitor's going full crazy with it and the internet is fuming? You COULD reassure them right away... or you could let them sweat it, let Microsoft fire their whole arsenal, then go "oh yeah we're not doing that." It'd probably be $300 all over again.

 

[Chinner]

Microsoft is actively attempting to make sure that multi-platform titles do not mention the PS4 version ("buying" the non-mentions--presumably by offering incentives). As a result, there will be titles that do not have a PS4 version mentioned, but are arriving on PS4. Unless exclusivity is explicitly specified, there is a PS4 version behind the scenes, but it's not being discussed.

this feels like it should illegal in some way.