Hasn't the demand for ram from an OS gone down recently? Someone in the know answer this.
TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Hasn't the demand for ram from an OS gone down recently? Someone in the know answer this.
Ó Buachalla
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LOL at all the RAM experts.
Seriously, even Windows 8 was designed to run on a 200 MB RAM footprint. Surface Pros ship today with only 2 GB of RAM.
3 GB for an embedded OS is unfathomable in 2013. I can only imagine how many engineering teams and business development people have staked out turf in the OS for their own ends. Apparently there is nobody to push back on each of those pieces, and say something like "maybe we don't need a full-featured Skype client with video conferencing resident in OS ALL the time."
Neuromancer
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That's only one gigabyte per OS
Cognitive dissonance is what keeps a fanboy going. I eventually grew out of it as far as consoles go. You just realise that taking sides means you have to lose out somewhere, sometime.
That said I'm still a Gran Turismo fanboy so I stay well away from all GT or Forza threads. No point getting into an argument with someone as delusional as myself.
Ah, the lovely sound of the speccy tape loading. Memories.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW2oAaU6YwY
make sure your speakers aren't set too high xD
PJV3
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Now we're talking, it all went downhill after cassettes.
On a system with 8 GB of RAM? Yeah, probably.
this is what I was thinking, 3GB for the os is downright silly
many bought all their multis on the 360 because they were the better looking versions,its not that surprising.....
Teletraan1
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digoutyoursoul
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I H8 Memes
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Nintendo consoles dont sell enough 3rd party titles for publishers to worry about used game sales.
It's actually depressing. PS4 having GDDR5 memory will help performance in some ways, but it wont really help the system to do anything that the Xbox 1 couldnt. The Xbox 1 have 2 GB's less memory does though. Now everything has to be built around MS garbage console design. MS have fucked us all just so their goddamned console can be a voice activated remote.
RobotRocker
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Why have that when we could have the C64's famous Loading Music (Music starts 0:50 in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyAd1qKIiXU
Martin Galway is a genius (Though Jonathan Dunn had the best remix)
To be fair, 3 GB is not the amount being used, just the reservation for OS plus non-game apps. It's still a lot, especially when you consider it's almost half of the total RAM.
All you're going to see tomorrow is hours of meditation.
Tomorrow will be interesting, seems like MS popularity here hit a bottom, so the rage can't possibly be even worse. Maybe Microsoft's strategy is the machiavellian one of dumping all the bad at once (in a very confusing format) and drop the good news bit by bit for the next months so the fires will have died down by launch.
So maybe tomorrow they will be all good news and ignore all the bad subjects, so people won't have any new ammunition, just more of the same confusion, which is already happening, so it won't be different, except there will be some good talking point alongside the bad ones.
Or they'll somehow make it worse and I don't even know what it will happen. It will surely be a kind of internet hate as mankind has never witnessed, maybe we, as a spescies, aren't even ready for this. I'll brains won't recognize it.
The human beings reading GAF will just shut down. It will be the first non-localized pestilence in human history. So many dead, and no one will ever be sure why.
It's multiple OS's and you gotta think about this here. The base OS might only use 1gb of ram, the remaining 2gb of ram might be for apps.
Who knows if there will be an Android style app store, where you can just download new 'plugins'
We know it skypes and browses, what about a native twitter, facebook, instagram app?
What about a netflix app or something more like XBMC? Who knows what applications you can get for this OS.
I don't think for a second they don't intend to 'ipad the living room' dominating the TV space with some kind of all in one PC in a box thing. I think TV isn't their only focus here.
I for one have 0 interest in the Xbox One but I forsee them supporting some kind of app store, allowing people to code cool tools. It could end up seriously big.
So yeah, 3gb of overhead is pretty sensible in that case.
right, they called it xbox live..
other devices that do this are called smart tvs..with a console connected. They will get the popular iPhone and android apps ported over. like smart tv's..
I don't see how this isn't known, or that it isn't happening already in the living room.
it's a game console.
I don't expect my hammer to come with Wi-Fi, and surround sound. especially in a world where everything is connected to your hip, and tv out if you really cared?
Microsoft is imagining it's their job to reinvent the ease of current technology.everything is counterproductive to today's options that are so easy a child knows mommy's phone has angry birds. and it's backed up by sales of said tech.
Hey I didn't say you had to like it but these are the facts. (EDIT: speculation, not facts - just incase that's bannable or something...?? I'm just trying to put 2 and 2 together here)
What if the gaming portion is 'good enough'? I mean my favourite console I ever owned was my Xbox 1 - which was mod'd and did a shitload of stuff for me.
You will see iphone / android apps ported over, pretty much for sure (I believe) and some of it could be pretty great. Especially as the developers know they have fixed hardware to work with (Kinect, CPU, GPU etc) - plus it's x86 and based off Windows.
As long as the remaining hardware under the hood is ok then this could be a serious trojan horse into the loungeroom. I'm not counting MS out yet.
Hmm, the fact that even Arthur Gies (big Xbox fan, & former admin at TeamXbox) is parroting rumblings of further Xbox One downgrades lends even more credence to these rumors.
Of course you should bother coming tomorrow. You will get to read the server error messages from GAF crashing, per usual E3 traffic, instead of hearing about it from others.
Considering the fact that the Xbox One reportedly has much slower RAM, has much less RAM for game utilization, and has a 50% or more slower GPU than the PS4... a slight downclocking of the GPU shouldn't faze you in the slightest.
Wait. Your hammer didn't come with wifi?
bgassassin
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Just wanted to pass along that I'm being told the GPU is not downclocked.
Acheteedo
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Thanks, great news if true, for all concerned. Let's keep the lowest common denominator as strong as possible.
Unless... something else has been sacrificed.
I hope that's the case. It's already a lot underpowered compared to the one in the PS4 (going by rumours).
bgassassin
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No indication of that. I think MS has more than enough working against them already.
It's definitely a decent gap between the two. Not huge, but decent.
http://gdgt.com/microsoft/xbox/one/specs/
Xbone. Gpu 500mhz!
Where they get this from? Crazy if true...
Xbone. Gpu 500mhz!
Where they get this from? Crazy if true...
Is that downclocked or upclocked?
Gemüsepizza
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I don't think that's true, that would be ~770GFLOPS. Without the OS reserve you would have 650 GFLOPS for games...
Huge downclock. It should be 800 MHz.
Yeah that's fishy.
Felix Lighter
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Naw. No way they downclock that far. No way devs could deal with the change for launch games.
Seems to be possible - according to this thread (link) the PS4 seems to have a 2+:1 supply advantage over Xbone (Take it with a grain of salt).
This would mean they are eating their losses and hope to improve the yields over time. Would explain the 500$ pricetag as well.
badcrumble
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No way that's true. That kind of downclock would be absurd, and it'd mean tons of launch-window and first year games would have to be massively reworked and downgraded at the very last minute, meaning little to no time for actual QA before release. It'd be an unmitigated disaster.
I *do* think that PR/management disasters, as the Xbox One is proving to be, tend to keep going and going for a while rather than magically reversing course on a dime, but I don't think Microsoft is so stupid as to do something like this.
Low yields will be terrible for them too (few launch units, high prices), but not as terrible as a severe downclock like that would be, IMO.
No way that's accurate.
fatgamecat
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Even though Xbox one has awful DRM, we should hope it's 1.2TF just to encourage better multiplatform quality.
Correct, you can't change the drive.
Are you serious? It looks like a normal internal HDD. Why would they make it inaccessible?
Valkyr Junkie
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Given the current layout of the internals it would be impossible to make the HDD accesible without allowing all of the guts exposed, which would obviously void the warranty. Given that they've said an external HDD can be utilized in the exact same manner as the internal one, it's preferable IMO since there are rear USB ports. Grab a cheap external HDD and just hide it behind the console.
dragonelite
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500GB should hold 10~15 games. Or maybe i can flash a other hdd did the same with my 360.
Good enough for me if i would get a xbone.
Didn't rumors say something about diablo or blizzard like installers.
Install for like 2 min and start playing while the OS install laters levels in the back ground.
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