I'm with you, the only time I played as them in Brawl was to get trophies. They're by far the most boring characters.
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I'm with you, the only time I played as them in Brawl was to get trophies. They're by far the most boring characters.
sorijealut
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lol
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The Kremlings are some of the lamest vilalins ever and Retro was right in axing them for the Donkey Kong Country revival.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
This is my nightmare.
4-5 million was a high estimate for Kid Icarus. Way too high, actually. I shouldn't have said that. I just went and actually looked at the figures, and the original game and Uprising have sold about 3 million combined. The second game probably only did a few hundred thousand, if that.
I can only go by what's been done in the first three games. The "big three" in terms of sales (Mario, Pokémon, and Zelda) are also the "big three" in terms of Smash representation. Do you want to make some kind of bet about Kid Icarus? I'm 100% confident there will be a maximum of two playable characters.
I will hold you to this.
This thread is becoming a madhouse I say. Removing the Ice Climbers, shit being flung, King Boo being requested. I can't handle this.
Still not as crazy as Brawl's pre-hype thread. I'll never forget the posts asking for a playable Metroid (no not "Metroid", a Metroid) and the ensuing argument on why it was a viable request.
I'm sorry, I need to go clean my keyboard because the thought of getting another mario rep (and a shit one at that) instead of the iconic villain of the DK series has literally made me throw up all over my desk.
I bet you'd rather have Petey Pirahna than Ridley, too.
I'm just so happy with the three newcomers we got. Each was exciting in its own way:
- Villager: People (myself included) had ruled him out, thinking Sakurai wouldn't reconsider his previous assessment that AC characters were off-limits. But then along comes Villager! AC is a powerhouse franchise these days, and now it has a playable rep. What a clever character, too! Shoveling foes into the ground, catching them in his net, watering saplings to grow trees that he cuts down. The most brilliant move we've seen from him so far is his ability to effortlessly snatch projectiles out of the air and pocket them to "return fire" whenever he chooses. It perfectly captures the essence of what Villager does -- he collects things! -- and seeing him snatch Samus' fully-charged power shot out of the air was one of those genius Sakurai moments that makes each generation's Smash unveiling worth the wait.
- Mega Man: A perfect 3D rendition, frame for frame, of his NES incarnation. It's the third-party character everyone wanted since Snake was unveiled for Brawl and we knew third-party characters were possible. He's wholly unique, too: He shoots pew-pew-pew for his physical moves, running and gunning and gunning and jumping. But then he has nearly a dozen boss-based moves for his smash attacks, his specials, his air moves, and even incorporates Rush into his recovery jump. Amazing.
- Wii Fit Trainer: Proof that GAF has superior taste when it comes to game design choices: The character was near-universally praised here, while a glance at Smashboards earlier today showed me the rest of the Internet was quick to loathe her. How shortsighted on their part: Wii Fit Trainer is brilliant. Like Snake, she fits in precisely because she seems like she shouldn't. No one saw her coming; on paper she'd seem inconceivable. Yet not a frame of animation is wasted on her; even her idle animation perfectly captures her fitness craze. Hell, even her animation for teetering on the edge of a platform captures her fitness craze, with Wii Fit Trainer turning her precarious predicament into an opportunity to practice balancing on her toes. The way every single physical attack is a yoga pose, a stretch, a flex, a gymnastic maneuver, etc, the way she whirls into the air with multiple hula-hoops for her Up Special or spikes a volleyball for a projectile attack... It's just brilliant. And she looks great, too, her mannequin-esque appearance making her instantly iconic.
They're not the three characters I would've guessed for the reveal... Not even the three characters I would've known I wanted. But I love them. Sakurai's still got it!
- Villager: People (myself included) had ruled him out, thinking Sakurai wouldn't reconsider his previous assessment that AC characters were off-limits. But then along comes Villager! AC is a powerhouse franchise these days, and now it has a playable rep. What a clever character, too! Shoveling foes into the ground, catching them in his net, watering saplings to grow trees that he cuts down. The most brilliant move we've seen from him so far is his ability to effortlessly snatch projectiles out of the air and pocket them to "return fire" whenever he chooses. It perfectly captures the essence of what Villager does -- he collects things! -- and seeing him snatch Samus' fully-charged power shot out of the air was one of those genius Sakurai moments that makes each generation's Smash unveiling worth the wait.
- Mega Man: A perfect 3D rendition, frame for frame, of his NES incarnation. It's the third-party character everyone wanted since Snake was unveiled for Brawl and we knew third-party characters were possible. He's wholly unique, too: He shoots pew-pew-pew for his physical moves, running and gunning and gunning and jumping. But then he has nearly a dozen boss-based moves for his smash attacks, his specials, his air moves, and even incorporates Rush into his recovery jump. Amazing.
- Wii Fit Trainer: Proof that GAF has superior taste when it comes to game design choices: The character was near-universally praised here, while a glance at Smashboards earlier today showed me the rest of the Internet was quick to loathe her. How shortsighted on their part: Wii Fit Trainer is brilliant. Like Snake, she fits in precisely because she seems like she shouldn't. No one saw her coming; on paper she'd seem inconceivable. Yet not a frame of animation is wasted on her; even her idle animation perfectly captures her fitness craze. Hell, even her animation for teetering on the edge of a platform captures her fitness craze, with Wii Fit Trainer turning her precarious predicament into an opportunity to practice balancing on her toes. The way every single physical attack is a yoga pose, a stretch, a flex, a gymnastic maneuver, etc, the way she whirls into the air with multiple hula-hoops for her Up Special or spikes a volleyball for a projectile attack... It's just brilliant. And she looks great, too, her mannequin-esque appearance making her instantly iconic.
They're not the three characters I would've guessed for the reveal... Not even the three characters I would've known I wanted. But I love them. Sakurai's still got it!
Karsticles
Member
Kid Icarus: Uprising was recently released and, according to Nintendo, is an evergreen title. It's hilarious that you're now arguing against your own numbers, which I used in an argument that I said was stupid in the first place.
Why would I make a bet about how many characters from a series will be in? We're not talking about what Sakurai will do at all. You really have trouble keeping track of the conversation, it seems.
You don't think King Boo would be cool?
Freezie KO
Banned
That... makes a lot of sense. And actually plays to the way it worked in Awakening. I feel dumb for not considering that before.
Mockingbird
Member
Make them one character instead of two and I'm all for it.
I really wish Ganondorf would get his own moveset, as I feel like he didn't change as much as he should have between Melee and Brawl. Hopefully Bower's changes herald some moveset revamps around the board.
While I'd love to see characters such as Black Shadow, Mewtwo or a Castlevania rep, I've grown to like crazier additions such as WFT and the villager. Megaman and his special ability-based moveset looks really interesting as well.
Since we're talking about clones, I guess I'd be fine with Wolf staying if they spurce up his specials a bit more, but he could be cut to make room for fresher characters, and it'd be nice if they refit Toon Link with a different moveset, whether they decide to keep the WW design or go back to older ones, or at the very least give regular Link some new abilities based on SS (skyward strikes, perhaps?).
On to the topic of final smashes, I wish they'd change some around, such as Pit's (very likely, I guess), DK's, Mario's, and possibly Link's for now. If Falco's eventually in, I'd like him to get Snake's final smash, since I think it'd be a great fit (ie: he slowly approaches the screen from the back of the level on his arwing and you can shoot lasers with A; after a while, he goes through the screen doing hitting opponents like a weaker Dragoon).
Oh, and when it comes to items, I'd really like to finally get an "explosive containers" toggle. I hated how I was forced to turn all types of containers off in Brawl since they could still randomly explode.
While I'd love to see characters such as Black Shadow, Mewtwo or a Castlevania rep, I've grown to like crazier additions such as WFT and the villager. Megaman and his special ability-based moveset looks really interesting as well.
Since we're talking about clones, I guess I'd be fine with Wolf staying if they spurce up his specials a bit more, but he could be cut to make room for fresher characters, and it'd be nice if they refit Toon Link with a different moveset, whether they decide to keep the WW design or go back to older ones, or at the very least give regular Link some new abilities based on SS (skyward strikes, perhaps?).
On to the topic of final smashes, I wish they'd change some around, such as Pit's (very likely, I guess), DK's, Mario's, and possibly Link's for now. If Falco's eventually in, I'd like him to get Snake's final smash, since I think it'd be a great fit (ie: he slowly approaches the screen from the back of the level on his arwing and you can shoot lasers with A; after a while, he goes through the screen doing hitting opponents like a weaker Dragoon).
Oh, and when it comes to items, I'd really like to finally get an "explosive containers" toggle. I hated how I was forced to turn all types of containers off in Brawl since they could still randomly explode.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Wait, there is a rumor about 49 characters? Because that'd be sweet.
SenorArdilla
Member
I'll just leave this here then.
Toon Ganondorf for SSB4. Along with Toon Link and Toon Zelda.
My girlfriend would throw a fit. I'd like to be able to play with her. She would refuse because of this alone.
I would say more people and children know of DK and his crew, and don't know who the hell K rool is.
I could argue the same about king boo, however King boo is luwiggies antagonist. So luwiggi could rep his game, and have his own antagonist.
All dk needs is another kong.
Don't hate on the ghost king, He is an unobtainable goal. I cannot chop him up like the other contestants.
Choppasmith
Member
Ah didn't think of that.
I was just thinking though. Time Stopper as Final Smash, maybe even have the "flash radius" confined to a certain area so that it's not considered too cheap.
Solid SOAP
Member
That would be awesome. I loved Awakening, and this would actually be such a great way to pay homage to it.
My point from the very beginning of this conversation has been that Kid Icarus does not deserve more than two characters. Nothing's changed.
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
No. Wrong. God wrong. Why would you kill my favorite brawl character so willingly? He's almost perfect. If only he had a better recovery.
Neitono is my hero. Grand finals at apex last year. Just straight nasty the whole tournament.
Troubled Bat
Member
The one where he looks like a van?
I am pretty sure he is like the best non meta knight character in the game
VGChampion
Member
I guess that the whole thing abotu being able to desynch them is what could become problematic to having them work on 3DS besides the additional VRAM usage.
Now that I think about it, I guess transforming characters would be even better in the 3DS version, since reading data from the game card would be a lot faster than streaming it from the disk (*points at the uber-long transform times during Fire Emblem stage transitions in Brawl*).
I wish you guys're right. With WWHD releasing this year, it could be a possibility...
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Exactly.
After brawl it was like who could they add besides bringing back characters they removed from Melee or a 3rd party that's like an obvious inclusion? Only one I can think of is Little Mac, everyone else is obscure to me.
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
Hell yeah, team olimar.
That's what I'm talking bout.
That's what I'm talking bout.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
If you are talking about my post. It's just pure speculation.
TEAM OLIMAR HERE!
DryEyeRelief
Member
more anime dudes with swords and star fox characters.
RawkHawk2010
Member
I don't think the Kremlings are lame (they're actually some of my favorite villains ever), but I'm with Retro for a different reason.
You know how Bowser has become such a non-threat that he has to rely on external means like Star Rods and Galaxy Stars and Sticker Stars to be intimidating? Well K. Rool became the same way beginning with KAOS and continuing the trend with the Crystal Banana in DK: Jungle Climber. With that said, it's cooler to see new members of the rogue gallery whose reputations have yet to be beaten into the ground. The Viking dudes being shrouded in mystery means I want to know more about them and find out who's pulling the strings, a feeling that wouldn't exist with a cookie cutter Kremling plot.
If the Tikis had been in Tropical Freeze it would have been depressing - because that likely would have cemented Tikis to be the go-to Donkey Kong enemy for the remainder of time. But them passing the torch to the Vikings (who are a LOT more interesting and even parallel the Kremlings in many ways) sets the precedent of having a different enemy each game. Keeps things interesting.
(But I still hope K. Rool is the fourth playable Tropical Freeze character that was confirmed to exist. That'd be an awesome response to all the people that wanna see him again.)
Troubled Bat
Member
No, just no. They are one of the most unique characters in the game. With the way they play, its impossible to consider them boring when they create combos of their own because of how they are. Its brings variety among the cast.
We always considered him a vacuum.
I like this better. Haha.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Guys look at ALL DAT SUCK. Olimar and Ice Climbers? Pfft what ridiculous characters.
Karsticles
Member
Deserve =/= what Sakurai will do. These are very distinct notions.
Bowser/Ganondorf/Samus player FTL here.
Outside of third parties, Captain Fucking Rainbow, Little Mac as you stated, Geno would be a megaton (unless you count him as a third party), and those would be my main choices. Anyone else can be designated into alternate costumes, which is something someone needs to ask Sakurai about straight up.
Speaking of which, have the full interviews gone up yet?
Freezie KO
Banned
That really made me want to play Pikmin 3!
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Dat Marth. Dominating Melee and Brawl. Needs to be awesome again in round 3.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
You're pretty much alone in that view man. Half the excitement of a new Smash is the new fighters.
Jiggs and Samus. I feels ya
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
Eehhh. Ice should be B/ A-. They would be if not for that chain grab.
And with a ZSS winning apex, I think she deserves to go higher. Though I think that may just being Salem being insane.
If you haven't seen this video, it's incredible. Especially the end. Absolutely insane. (metaknight vs zero suit grand finals)
Samurai_Heart
Member
Love it XD