Phawx
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't all devs love MS PIX for debugging? Pretty sure everytime I read a devblog they are writing love letter to PIX.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't all devs love MS PIX for debugging? Pretty sure everytime I read a devblog they are writing love letter to PIX.
FlutterPuffs
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Yeah, for the 360. Apparently development for the Xbox One is bad at the moment though.
I'm not the one understanding, it's the publishers that are saying prices will drop. I'm saying I bet they won't.
Re-read my post.
I remember I had that Brer Rabbit book when I was a wee tot and the tar baby gave me nightmares.
Don't forget "Xbox won't have always online DRM". Remember the couple days where we believed that because of that internal email?
Also "Xbox will utilize Windows 8 Store platform, making it a more open platform than PS4", even though I basically created that one on my own. There was no reason to believe that'd happen.
I bought into many of those rumors, taught me not to believe stuff so quickly
People who live in apartments or live with other people? You can't have 5.1 blasting through speakers every time you turn on your console.
haha wow i didn't even know that was a thing. i thought you were joking
Why did you think I was joking? There's a market for them. Why else would the X1 support 5.1 for 4 controllers?
googleplex
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No one wants, need or will use their controllers as a games main audio output. So 5.1 sounds through controllers is a useless bullet point.
Wait, so when my friends are over, they can't hear me? ok. I mean, I hope it has a decent amp on that controller, I use a pretty powerful set up for my phones, and it sucks you can't use your own person set of phones. ( at least as of yet )
Really? Then how do all of the companies that sell 5.1 and 7.1 headsets and headphones survive? There has to be people buying them besides me.
I also think the X1 is gonna do audio effects that require 5.1 and that's why it can do 5.1 to 4 controllers.
Whiteshirt
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When I worked in computer retail, telling people that 5.1 headsets improve gaming performance was enough to sell people on expensive headsets from Razer. I imagine that's the main selling point even if the headset is overpriced in terms of sound quality.
These were rumours? The fuck? Sounds like stretching it a bit.
"Bigger" because of GDDR5? lolwut how was that even entertained if true.
Templar_Dante
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Doesn't the PS4 also have double the ROPs vs the Xbox One, at least according to most leaks? I'd think that plus the faster memory will add up to a noticeable difference. Granted, the CPUs are almost exactly the same, but if the One doesn't have good GPU compute customizations like the PS4, the difference is likely to become more telling over time as GPU compute gets used more.
Sony's working on making the GPU work closer to the Cell from the PS3, with compute tasks getting shuffled in idle spots between normal GPU shader work without interfering with rendering. I'm sure the CUs will get used a lot as the generation goes on.
Its working pretty well too. Both Naughty Dog and Guerilla are aiming to use the CPUs to schedule tasks to the GPU for compute. KZ:SF is going to have physics running entirely on the gpu at release.
People are also forgetting the
Xbone 16 Rops
PS4 32 Rops
From what I understand, we can expect much better AA from multiplats too on PS4?
Brad Grenz
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Too bad it's a complete lie, and those hacked together 5.1 headphone solutions are always worse than a sophisticated stereo headset profile.
Unknown Soldier
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It's stupid THROUGH A CONTROLLER because headphones are generally stereo devices. There's a left ear speaker and a right ear speaker, not 5.1 attached to your head. The number of people who actually buy those 5.1 headphones is vanishingly small, and rightfully so, because those things are shit.
Hooflung128
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So the xbone controller is essentially a cheap ass version of an astrogaming wireless mix amp receiver. So in one console they have destroyed consumer rights and delivered a blow to 3rd party accessory variance. I guess those 200 dollar headsets will now be all about the speakers used and not the hardware that makes them work. Or do you really think those headsets will go down in price like the games supposedly will now that ms has built in win? I don't buy it for a moment.
Unknown Soldier
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Let us all light a candle for the Aureal 3D sound cards now.
It's sad that HRTF-encoding for surround sound through stereo headphones never caught on. Even that Dolby Headphone thing has been largely ignored even though it would be fuck-awesome for gaming.
Don't 5.1 headphone usually connect with Toslink cables, not 3.5mm stereo jacks?
How are you meant to get discrete DD or DTS 5.1 out of a stereo signal? Or do they just have crappy virtual surround.
FranXico
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Heard any third-party devs complaining? Sources?
It's been mentioned a couple of times in interviews.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps4...crosoft-will-catch-up-says-avalanche-studios/
Unknown Soldier
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Don't some of them use 6x analog 3.5mm stereo like multimedia computer speakers?
Out of a single stereo output, you would need to encode to Dolby Pro-Logic II or something similar for surround output. It wouldn't be discrete surround, but DPLII is anything but crappy. It's actually quite amazing, though no one really uses it anymore since discrete surround over HDMI predominates these days. Both the Gamecube and Wii used DPLII encoding for surround sound from games that supported it since those consoles didn't have any kind of digital output. However, using DPLII at the source means on the output end you need something to decode DPLII and send it to the 5.1 speakers.
Whiteshirt
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I'm aware of this but really it's the same thing with mech keyboards. Ever since that SC2 player won the first GOM with a mech keyboard, everyone is buying one to improve gaming performance.
Easy sell of rather high profit margin stock.
Brad Grenz
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The Xbox One controller has basically a USB port in it. They can transmit the DD or DTS signal over WiFi Direct easily enough and third parties will just design headsets to accept that signal through the digital port on the controller. Of course, after that the 6 channels get down mixed to stereo to feed the 2 drivers the actual headphones will have. It's a fairly pointless exercise used to market premium products to people who don't know better.
eastx
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It certainly didn't work that way during the first few years of the Playstation 3's life cycle. PS3 game deals were much fewer and farther between. Seemingly because there were less potential consumers, retailers kept the prices higher.
The DTS 7.1 headset that Qualcomm and DTS have been showing off at trade shows this year is utterly fantastic. Not that we're getting that particular headset for the Xbone, but it works great. I don't see anything wrong with simulating surround effects through a headset.
DarkoMaledictus
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Guess it does't really matter... the all mighty all knowing cloud will fix it all. Heck don't even need a cpu or gpu in the Xbone... its all the cloud lol 
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.Spinning Plates
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Dolby Headphone does a very convincing job of simulating 5.1 surround sound to a stereo headset.
Asus Xonar U3
If they could make this into a puck sized accessory that connects to the controller that would be very cool.
Asus Xonar U3
If they could make this into a puck sized accessory that connects to the controller that would be very cool.
Ninja Moomin
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So this thread full of people talking bollox about something they clearly know nothing about is still open...
but the xbox one satisfaction thread thread, which had a great sense of community,is locked.
nice going neogaf.
but the xbox one satisfaction thread thread, which had a great sense of community,is locked.
nice going neogaf.
nhlducks35
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You're certainly contributing to this community, aren't ya
Tallshortman
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We're commenting on info from a trusted insider, sorry that makes you upset. If you don't like it you can start a NeoGAF Dissatisfaction thread if you feel that strongly about it.
What's to stop the PS4 from just sending a Dolby Headphone signal direct to the controller as stereo? Shouldn't have to connect it directly to it, could be done entirely in software.Dolby Headphone does a very convincing job of simulating 5.1 surround sound to a stereo headset.
Asus Xonar U3
If they could make this into a puck sized accessory that connects to the controller that would be very cool.
PS. Totally grabbing one of those Asus thingys. Have a bigger one meant for home use, but something that size would be perfect.
What would be an even better idea is to not use god damn DD or DTS anymore, they are pointless in this day and age unless you can only connect stuff up via SPDIF.
PS3 almost piracy free ok, but X360 some? In Brazil and Latin America (I would bet Asia and Russia as well) X360 enjoy almost a PS2 level of piracy. Its huge.
Pristine_Condition
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Thread whining will take you far on neoGAF.
Evolution_1ne
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every 3rd party game ever is going to be exclusive to Xbone
This. No one buys original 360 games in Malaysia unless it's Halo or Gears. The 360 not being "officially" supported in Malaysia only makes things worse.
Kind of ironic coming in here to say that...
I don't think this whole "great sense of community" is specific to any one thread on here either and if there is, I doubt coming into this thread just to whine is somehow restoring your great sense of community...
People are talking from a HARDWARE perspective and what should be a notable difference and it's whether or not third-parties capitalize on the extra performance for the PS4 games. I'm sure plenty will be the same on both platforms graphically but I'm sure there will be some games that decide to push the PS4 more because some teams strive for that. Maybe we can't comment on this that we supposedly know nothing about until a few years from now when the big heavy-hitter exclusives come out?
But I guess we should all take a time-out and wait for a few years until we know SOMETHING about what's going on (even though there's plenty of real information mixed with speculation over what the outcome might be over said information).
For every "rabid" Sony poster on here, there's a hundreds of rational posters on here that can voice their opinions over what we know so far and it doesn't make them a fanboy. Plenty of people I know that were 360 gamers aren't getting the X1 so I doubt they could be considered fanboys either. And for every one of those Sony posters, there's plenty of other posters that get emotional over any negativity surrounding their console of choice and play the victim card so how is that any better?
Either way, I'm sorry people ruined your community...
dragonelite
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That has to be some skewed up number given how easy it is to do and you can get ps2 emulator for it. Not sure if you can still do it with an usb stick on the newer ps3 models.
It is not skewed. Getting pirated stuff working on PS3 is real chore. Even if you do it most of new games will not work at all.
Tons of my friends played pirated copies on their PS2 where not even one do it now on PS3. That is clear win.
On the other hand you could probably just buy a next gen system now, and in 2-3 years get a PC that annihilates it for $600.
Though given the state of CPU advancement I kind of expect you could just slap a $300 card in and be done with it.
I've not kept up with the scene at all but I thought once the fw went past a certain point you couldn't go back after they closed the door?
That's my understanding too.
dragonelite
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I just visited pirate bay and it seems last of us is working partly.
But yeah i don't think we should continue this discussion here i believe its banable talking about pirating.
You said it's easy. The ease of how you find an image dump on a torrent website does not support your argument.
Just answer this, as we're not linking to any infringing material by this: Can I take my fully patched system and play pirated content easily?
You can talk about piracy as a topic as much as you like on GAF. Admitting you're a part of it gets you banned.
or so I understand. It limits discussion if piracy as a topic is banned entirely.
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