soundscream
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He also called him a nigga twice so I doubt it.
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George Zimmerman (killer of unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin) found not guilty
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He also called him a nigga twice so I doubt it.
I'd say that there is actually difference between saying "He is a killer" and "He is the killer of..."
The latter merely states a fact.
You forgot the very important detail where Martin said, "What are you following me for?" Otherwies, good summary.
Dude Abides
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Also, she lied about why she didn't attend the wake. She said she was at the hospital, but she wasn't. She didn't go because she didn't want to see the body.
I didn't catch her explanation for why she lied about it.
TunaMarshmallow
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Ah. I missed that. My stream briefly hiccuped. When did he say that? I'll add it in and repost.
vas_a_morir
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I don't think we would be so quick to forgive if Zimmerman said 'nigger' at any time. But, Personally, I don't think white people as a whole are offended by 'cracker' the same way. So, there's that.
She felt guilty for not going, thats why she lied.
The Abominable Snowman
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She said she felt extremely guilty
Who said it was just before the gun shot? Quit assuming things.
Yes, we're sure you find it odd.
zero shift
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Why do I feel that this is going to put a HUGE dent in Terms of sympathy with Trayvon?
soundscream
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My point was he called him a cracka and a nigga twice it kind of cancels out the other, if he called him cracka 3 times it would have had impact.
The ear piece fell out. If the cable was disconnected from the phone during the struggle, it could've hung up. I think it's more odd that you keep trying to find ways to make Zimmerman the victim.
vas_a_morir
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With the people who already didn't like him. The people who already support him probably won't be too concerned at this point.
Paula Deen! If she'd just say cracka twice... but she's too stubborn. (j/k)
Hahahahahha.
TunaMarshmallow
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Updated/new version of her testimony:
Martin said that a "creepy as cracker" was looking at him and watching him. She joked with Martin that perhaps the watcher was a "rapist". Martin told her not to joke around like that. Martin said that he wanted to "lose" the guy, and so he started walking away. At some point in this exchange, their phones disconnected, but they were immediately able to reestablish a call.
As or slightly after Martin began walking away, he said that the "nigga" then began following him. She told Martin to run, but Martin said that he didn't need to run, because he could just walk quickly back to the place he was staying. After some period of time, Martin told her that he was alone and that he was just about back at the place he was staying. Then, suddenly, Martin said "oh shit" and reported that the guy (the watcher) was right behind him (Martin). She then heard an out-of-breath voice (not Martin's) say something along the lines of "What are you doing around here?" In response or at the same time, Martin said something like "What are you following me for?"
She called out to Martin with things like "What's going on? What's happening?" but Martin did not respond. She heard a bump noise on the headset. She heard rustling and what sounded to her like grass up against the speaker. She heard Martin say "Get off", and then the phone disconnected. She tried to call back, but Martin didn't answer.
She heard rumors about Martin's death on the Monday, but his death was only confirmed to her on Tuesday afternoon.
She said that she did not attend Martin's wake. She admitted that she originally lied about why she did not attend the wake. (She had said that she was at the hospital, when in fact she just did not want to see Martin's body.) She explained that she lied about her reasons because she felt guilty: she felt that she owed Martin's parents the respect of attending the wake, because she was the last one to speak to their son.
Martin said that a "creepy as cracker" was looking at him and watching him. She joked with Martin that perhaps the watcher was a "rapist". Martin told her not to joke around like that. Martin said that he wanted to "lose" the guy, and so he started walking away. At some point in this exchange, their phones disconnected, but they were immediately able to reestablish a call.
As or slightly after Martin began walking away, he said that the "nigga" then began following him. She told Martin to run, but Martin said that he didn't need to run, because he could just walk quickly back to the place he was staying. After some period of time, Martin told her that he was alone and that he was just about back at the place he was staying. Then, suddenly, Martin said "oh shit" and reported that the guy (the watcher) was right behind him (Martin). She then heard an out-of-breath voice (not Martin's) say something along the lines of "What are you doing around here?" In response or at the same time, Martin said something like "What are you following me for?"
She called out to Martin with things like "What's going on? What's happening?" but Martin did not respond. She heard a bump noise on the headset. She heard rustling and what sounded to her like grass up against the speaker. She heard Martin say "Get off", and then the phone disconnected. She tried to call back, but Martin didn't answer.
She heard rumors about Martin's death on the Monday, but his death was only confirmed to her on Tuesday afternoon.
She said that she did not attend Martin's wake. She admitted that she originally lied about why she did not attend the wake. (She had said that she was at the hospital, when in fact she just did not want to see Martin's body.) She explained that she lied about her reasons because she felt guilty: she felt that she owed Martin's parents the respect of attending the wake, because she was the last one to speak to their son.
Big Baybee
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lol
Well, unless it was a 10 minute fight, the gunshot couldn't have come that much later, right?
There's a good 45 seconds of yelling in the 911 recording before the gunshot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmHRbD0AgY0
soundscream
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All part of operation caliphate!
I haven't read anything about in ear piece. Not watching the trial live, just reading updates.
But like on my iPhone, if you pull out the ear piece it doesn't kill the call.
EDIT: also, did she not call the police after hearing her boyfriend get attacked?
While the defense attorney would probably prefer not to have his client labeled as a "killer" in front of the jury, the truth is that they can't shy away from the fact that their client killed Martin. They can't even dispute that fact AND claim that his actions were justified.
There will be plenty of testimony and other evidence establishing that Zimmerman killed Martin, so, in the end you're arguing over a whole bunch of nothing.
Devolution
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Dunno what's your point; we have the times of the call, it ended before Martin was killed by the killer with a gun. Whether Trayvon manually ended it before being killed or if it disconnected by accident just before he was shot is irrelevant.
Mammoth Jones
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Because it will. All the "Zimmerman did the right thing in protecting his neighborhood from *thugs." people will use this as an example of how Martin was the actual racist and therefore up to no good and Zimmerman was correct in what he did.
*blackpeople
Damn the hoops you're jumping through to believe Zimmerman is innocent astound me..
I'm just wondering if she actually heard the altercation between Zimmerman and Martin.
And why is that funny?
faceless007
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Starting up again...
You're doubting whether someone screaming "Get off me" was an altercation? Or you think she's making that up?
You're doubting whether someone screaming "Get off me" was an altercation? Or you think she's making that up?
TunaMarshmallow
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If what she is saying is true, then:
(i) Martin was trying to get away
(ii) Martin was chased down and confronted by Zimmerman
(iii) Zimmerman said "What are you doing around here?" and Martin said "What are you following me for?"
(iv) There was a physical scuffle of some kind
(v) Martin said "get off me"
Dude Abides
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Defense has to be a bit careful here. She came off as a rather inarticulate teenager, but someone who was telling the truth. The tears helped. If the defense goes after her too aggressively it may turn the jury off.
She heard enough for us to know things did t happen the way Zimmerman said they did, according to her. Couple that with witnesses statements from earlier, Zimmerman is looking more and more like a liar.
much like the media, Trayvon initially thought Zimmerman was white
soundscream
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vas_a_morir
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Fire of Allah, LOL!!!!
It also means she heard a man was stalking her boyfriend, then attacked her boyfriend, and was on top of her boyfriend seemingly hurting her boyfriend. And she never contacted the police?
Devolution
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She sounds genuine regardless of it all. Slang and all. I don't think it will harm anything. It sounds less fabricated.
TunaMarshmallow
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Well, not her boyfriend. But her friend, yes. That's right.
Honestly, everything she said sounds like a legit conversation teenagers would have. You can't coach that.
User 100115
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You've nailed, she's just lying. Throw out her testimony!
Okay, I guess I'm the only one that finds that odd?
vas_a_morir
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That's an interesting point, although there are some inaccuracies in this post that I'm sure will have been pointed out by the time I post this post.
Dude Abides
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I agree. Just saying it was a bit difficult to understand her at first. She got better as the questioning went on.
Devolution
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Yeah it's so weird that some people feel so disenfrachised by the justice system they just don't bother with the police.
I find it odd too, I certainly would have called the police ASAP. However, she a teen ager and people react differently.
TunaMarshmallow
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Eh. I don't know.
When I was a kid, there were times that my buddies got in fights and I didn't call the cops, even if I wasn't sure of the outcome. I can't be the only one. I probably wasn't exercising the best judgment. But I was a kid.
What is it that you find odd, exactly?
User 100115
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The thing is, she is young. Maybe she didn't understand what was happening at the time. Maybe she thought he was fucking with her. There a ton of reasons why she wouldn't report it to the police, among them fear of reporting anything to the police since minorities tend to get treated badly by police in some areas.
Edit: What Devo said.
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