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[Future PhaZe]

Didn't Zimmerman say that the only words between the two of them before the confrontation was " Do you have a problem," and "Well you have one now".

And it seems the witness has not wavered in what she's saying and seems credible.

I'm not going to speculate on who was on top or anything like that, but I tend to believe the witnesses accounts of how the conversation went rather than Zimmermans, which is huge in regards to how the physical altercation was initiated.

 

[BSsBrolly]

Didn't Zimmerman say that the only words between the two of them before the confrontation was " Do you have a problem," and "Well you have one now".

And it seems the witness has not wavered in what she's saying and seems credible.

I'm not going to speculate on who was on top or anything like that, but I tend to believe the witnesses accounts of how the conversation went rather than Zimmermans, which is huge in regards to how the physical altercation was initiated.

Agreed, witness accounts are not matching up with Zimmerman's. Wonder why people defending him are ignoring this?

 

[Van Owen]

Yeah it's so weird that some people feel so disenfrachised by the justice system they just don't bother with the police.

Oh, so you know she has a history of feeling disenfranchised with the justice system?

I guess I'm overly protective of my friends compared to most of you..

 

[Devolution]

Oh, so you know she has a history of feeling disenfranchised with the justice system?

I guess I'm overly protective of my friends compared to most of you..

They're black in the south. It's a given.

 

[KibblesBits]

The tone of her voice indicates she is just about done with this for today.

 

[zero shift]

Does anybody have other Emceegrammars funny posts about Zimmerman? They are hilarious!

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Oh, so you know she has a history of feeling disenfranchised with the justice system?

I guess I'm overly protective of my friends compared to most of you..

Do blacks and other minorities have a history of disenfranchisement with the police and the justice system? Are you being serious right now?

 

[Sayter]

The thing is, she is young. Maybe she didn't understand what was happening at the time. Maybe she thought he was fucking with her. There a ton of reasons why she wouldn't report it to the police, among them fear of reporting anything to the police since minorities tend to get treated badly by police in some areas.

Agreed. But that also hinders the very justice that people want for Trayvon IMO.

 

[Big Baybee]

The tone of her voice indicates she is just about done with this for today.

Yep. I hope she doesn't blow up. She's clearly gone from being sad to being irritated.

 

[Devolution]

Do blacks and other minorities have a history of disenfranchisement with the police and the justice system? Are you being serious right now?

I know, I can't believe what I'm reading.

 

[Van Owen]

They're black in the south. It's a given.

Just wanted to make sure you weren't jumping to conclusions.

Do blacks and other minorities have a history of disenfranchisement with the police and the justice system? Are you being serious right now?

Well, she's relatively young and it's 2013. She wasn't exactly participating in sit-ins the week prior.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Oh, so you know she has a history of feeling disenfranchised with the justice system?

I guess I'm overly protective of my friends compared to most of you..

The things she is saying seem honest. Saying words like "cracker" and "nigga". That's not to say that it proves her testimony is true, but if her only interest was painting Zimmerman in a bad light then she would have been coached up to clean that stuff up. She seems like she's just saying what she knows.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Just wanted to make sure you weren't jumping to conclusions.



Well, she's relatively young and it's 2013. She wasn't exactly participating in sit-ins the week prior.

Wow, just wow. It must be nice living in an ivory tower of ignorance where racism doesn't exist.

 

[User 100115]

Just wanted to make sure you weren't jumping to conclusions.



Well, she's relatively young and it's 2013. She wasn't exactly participating in sit-ins the week prior.

If you think normal, everyday black people going about their business and doing nothing wrong aren't harassed/not taken seriously when dealing with law enforcement in 2013, I suggest you read up on the subject.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Yep. I hope she doesn't blow up. She's clearly gone from being sad to being irritated.

I noticed this. The defense is trying to make her snap, I think. Trying to make it apparent that she might be biased.

However, seeing how she has already perjured herself before, I think she'll be pretty careful about telling the truth here.

 

[Mr. Patch]

Don West is asking her shit she would have no idea about.

 

[Devolution]

Wow, just wow. It must be nice living in an ivory tower of ignorance where racism doesn't exist.

Seriously.

How would I be jumping to conclusions? It's cute how people like him never think outside of their privileged existence.

Oh wait it's 2013. We're in a post racist world.

 

[faceless007]

So the defense is getting mired up in the geography of where Trayvon went after leaving the 7/11, and the witness (not being familiar with the area) can't tell them. I can't tell if this confusion is better for them or the prosecution.

 

[BronsonLee]

Don West is asking her shit she would have no idea about.

Is he trying to sell her baseball cards?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Oh, so you know she has a history of feeling disenfranchised with the justice system?

I guess I'm overly protective of my friends compared to most of you..

hahahah. I needed this...if you're serious you're probably not very familiar with american history.

 

[Dude Abides]

Now she's explaining why she didn't call the police.

 

[Van Owen]

Wow, just wow. It must be nice living in an ivory tower of ignorance where racism doesn't exist.

If you think normal, everyday black people going about their business and doing nothing wrong aren't harassed/not taken seriously when dealing with law enforcement in 2013, I suggest you read up on the subject.

Ok, let's just shrug off her not calling the cops as "obviously she's disenfranchised" and never question it again. Seems reasonable!

 

[JCX]

I heard the Defense lawyer's joke yesterday. I could not believe that was for real!

 

[Big Baybee]

Ok, let's just shrug off her not calling the cops as "obviously she's disenfranchised" and never question it again. Seems reasonable!

What would her calling the cops have done anyway? This is just you grasping at straws.

 

[Devolution]

Ok, let's just shrug off her not calling the cops as "obviously she's disenfranchised" and never question it again. Seems reasonable!

Are you just here to play devil's advocate or be intentionally obtuse about what it means to be a minority in the south? Why do you think it was so hard to get the cops to look further into the matter in the first place? Dead black kid, no one cared, the family had to push and push. It's amazing how blind some people choose to be.

 

[SirButterstick]

Watching the OS feed, I feel bad for the parents. They must be going through hell right now . . . .

 

[User 100115]

Ok, let's just shrug off her not calling the cops as "obviously she's disenfranchised" and never question it again. Seems reasonable!

If every time anyone you knew called the cops about something ended up either arrested themselves, ignored, or injured, would you call the cops over something that could have been nothing?

 

[faceless007]

Defense is trying to get her confused about the chronology.

Are those Martin's parents in the gallery? Dad looks really frustrated.

 

[Van Owen]

What would her calling the cops have done anyway? This is just you grasping at straws.

Well, it puts into question her testimony if she heard her friend get attacked and didn't call the cops. One might wonder if she actually heard the confrontation.

Watching this live now. She isn't doing too well.

If every time anyone you knew called the cops about something ended up either arrested themselves, ignored, or injured, would you call the cops over something that could have been nothing?

If my friend was yelling for the "creepy ass cracker" that had been following him to get off and I was hearing a fight, yeah, I think I would.

 

[KibblesBits]

As a viewer his tactic here is obvious. I don't think that Rachel would understand what he's doing though with everything going on in the trial.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Now she's explaining why she didn't call the police.

GOOD. Now, we can move on and focus on the case without shit getting condescending/personal in here.

Did they coach this girl at all? Her demeanor is repulsive.

EDIT: Trayvon's Dad crying... that poor guy.

Defense is trying to get her confused about the chronology.

Are those Martin's parents in the gallery? Dad looks really frustrated.

Ah yes... the 'You know you just fucked up, right' tactic.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Ok, let's just shrug off her not calling the cops as "obviously she's disenfranchised" and never question it again. Seems reasonable!

She said she didn't believe at the time that the situation was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

Dig?

 

[faceless007]

Well, it puts into question her testimony if she heard her friend get attacked and didn't call the cops.

No, it really doesn't.

 

[Sushigod7]

This witness is horrible on all accounts I don't think she is helping that much since her statements have changed.

No, it really doesn't.

So if you were talking to a friend they were freaked out enough to run away from someone following them, then was being confronted by that person and the phone goes dead you wouldn't want to call the cops and help your friend?

 

[TunaMarshmallow]

Seriously, I find her to be an extremely compelling and convincing witness.

 

[levious]

Just wanted to make sure you weren't jumping to conclusions.



Well, she's relatively young and it's 2013. She wasn't exactly participating in sit-ins the week prior.

Wow... question her inaction, that's fine... but this second statement is just stupid.

 

[The Last Emperor]

Referencing the first 48 lmao

 

[Big Baybee]

God this is cringeworthy. She is talking about First 48. Stop GUL!

 

[R3TRO]

Referencing the first 48 lmao

Right

 

[Mr. Patch]

This witness is horrible on all accounts I don't think she is helping that much since her statements have changed.

Other than being in the hospital, her statements haven't changed.

 

[User 100115]

Well, it puts into question her testimony if she heard her friend get attacked and didn't call the cops. One might wonder if she actually heard the confrontation.

Watching this live now. She isn't doing too well.



If my friend was yelling for the "creepy ass cracker" that had been following him to get off and I was hearing a fight, yeah, I think I would.

Considering the fact that the first part of her testimony makes it clear she thought he was joking or overreacting, no, I don't think you would if you were in her situation.

 

[Sushigod7]

Other than being in the hospital, her statements haven't changed.

I thought the part where she said Trevon yelled help and the phone went dead was new? Guess I missed that before.

 

[TunaMarshmallow]

Don West wants to discredit her for not contacting the authorities even though she was on the phone at the time of the conflict. And her response is amazing. She's referencing some show called "The First 48" and explaining that, on the basis of the show, she figured that the police were supposed to call her after "tracing the number".

It seems blatantly truthful and perfectly fair for a young, unexperienced person to think.

I'd bet the house on her being as honest as she can be.

 

[vas_a_morir]

No, it really doesn't.

Well, it kinda does. However, I am open to the possibility that she might not be from a place where you call the cops. (As Devolution mentioned before)

Seriously, I find her to be an extremely compelling and convincing witness.

I think she could do with some more coaching by the prosecution. There are times when she seems unsure when she should just say 'I don't know' where she doesn't.

 

[Nightstick11]

That alone is enough for me to determine Zimmerman is a liar and the fight didn't go down like he said.

This is exactly why people like you don't belong on a jury.

 

[faceless007]

So if you were talking to a friend they were freaked out enough to run away from someone following them, then was being confronted by that person and the phone goes dead you wouldn't want to call the cops and help your friend?

I might or might not, but the point is, whether I would or not has no bearing on the question of whether my account of the incident is credible.

 

[Future PhaZe]

welp

 

[Mr. Patch]

"Do you watch first 48?" Is the Rachel Jeantel equivalent of "Do you eat shit?"

 

[Devolution]

"Do you watch first 48?" Is the Rachel Jeantel equivalent of "Do you eat shit?"

Does kind of make sense and it goes back to police ineptitude not being her fault. They had this incident all wrong from the start and didn't question Zimmerman.

 

[Mr. Patch]

It's also completely plausible that she didn't know that on the 17th. The first I've heard of this case was March 8 when it was posted here.