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[The Abominable Snowman]

She is bringing a lot of this on her self. If she was acting respectful people wouldn't be all over her like they are even if she was still a low mumbler.

I think she is revealing herself to be exactly what she is.

What the fuck? NOONE is respecting her right now. She doesnt owe anything to any of you WATCHING the trial from some armchair hundreds of miles away.

Like I said, this is the EXACT reason she did not want to be a part of the case in the first place. And none of you can relate because you aren't from where she's from or went through anything she's been through.

 

[ced]

So now it's Zimmerman was following him while in his car? Has that always been the story?

 

[BSsBrolly]

Yeah exactly, no one is treating her badly she is being questioned that is all.

They're actiy trying to frustrate her (don't blame them here).

"What was that?!?"

"I can't here you!!"

"I can't see her, I need to move closer!!"

 

[ElFly]

So now it's Zimmerman was following him while in his car? Has that always been the story?

Yes, he followed him in the car and then Martin ran and lost Zimmerman.

 

[Nokagi]

I'm guessing this lawyer knows the damage she's doing and keeping her up there as long as he can.

Exactly. I'm sure they probably feel this is a gold mine for the defense. But they had better be careful because this could easily backfire if they are seen to be pushing her to hard.

 

[BSsBrolly]

Why can't she just say "I don't know" to some of these questions?

 

[Measley]

That defense lawyer better be careful. The jury could view his antics as picking on the witness, and it could backfire on the horrendously.

 

[ElFly]

What the fuck? NOONE is respecting her right now. She doesnt owe anything to any of you WATCHING the trial from some armchair hundreds of miles away.

Like I said, this is the EXACT reason she did not want to be a part of the case in the first place. And none of you can relate because you aren't from where she's from or went through anything she's been through.

Well she owes to her dead friend to give a solid testimony.

At least the prosecution is objecting to the inane questionary and making her speculate.

 

[polyh3dron]

She's just saying "yes sir" compulsively now even when questions aren't being asked.

 

[Downhome]

What the fuck? NOONE is respecting her right now. She doesnt owe anything to any of you WATCHING the trial from some armchair hundreds of miles away.

From the very start she has been making a mockery of the entire process and the courtroom. She was doing so online even before she took the stand. If you are going to act like a moron, then reveal yourself to pretty much be one, then that is how people are going to see and talk about her. She has lied, contradicted herself, withheld information, and has acted in court in ways that if she wasn't a "star witness" she likely would have been held in contempt. Not to mention that she, well, she just doesn't come across as the brightest bulb in the box. She was accepted to university but can't read a letter in cursive? She has it signed as if her mom wrote it? She doesn't understand the most basic of concepts from time to time? I'm not sure if that says more about her or the state of the education system, but still, it's there. She is answering yes or no before questions are even finished being read to her!

It's disgusting that she is giving this kind of "performance" instead of doing all she could be doing for her friend. She could have been the nail in the coffin for Zimmerman, everyone assumed as such, and that isn't going to happen now.

If I didn't know better I'd say she was the star witness for the defense instead of the prosecution.

 

[hayguyz]

ok, then the advise came from the dispatcher. Doesn't change much

if a dispatcher told me "we don't need you to do that," and there was a history of burglars fleeing while waiting for police to arrive, I would follow too

 

[Kinyou]

if a dispatcher told me "we don't need you to do that," and there was a history of burglars fleeing while waiting for police to arrive, I would follow too

And then escalating the situation with someone ending up dead. Good job

 

[Measley]

if a dispatcher told me "we don't need you to do that," and there was a history of burglars fleeing while waiting for police to arrive, I would follow too

So if you end up in Zimmerman's current position, that's okay for you?

Zimmerman's current predicament is exactly why police say don't follow suspects.

 

[Ohnonono]

Is there a time limit on cross examination? If he keeps going like this for much longer he may lose the jury. She is being much nicer today and he is coming off like a bit of a jerk.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

From the very start she has been making a mockery of the entire process and the courtroom. She was doing so online even before she took the stand. If you are going to act like a moron, then reveal yourself to pretty much be one, then that is how people are going to see and talk about her. She has lied, contradicted herself, withheld information, and has acted in court in ways that if she wasn't a "star witness" she likely would have been held in contempt. Not to mention that she, well, she just doesn't come across as the brightest bulb in the box. She was accepted to university but can't read a letter in cursive? She has it signed as if her mom wrote it? She doesn't understand the most basic of concepts from time to time? I'm not sure if that says more about her or the state of the education system, but still, it's there.

If I didn't know better I'd say she was the star witness for the defense instead of the prosecution.

She DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS for this exact reason. Being judged by hundreds of thousands of people with internet connections and anonymity because of her mannerisms.

 

[Downhome]

She DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS for this exact reason. Being judged by hundreds of thousands of people with internet connections and anonymity because of her mannerisms.

Well that's just tough luck for her then isn't it? It changes nothing. She can want all day but there she is, in the middle of it, so she needs to act accordingly. She just doesn't care. If she really didn't want people mocking her she wouldn't be online spouting off stupidity before she even hit the stand.

 

[bob_arctor]

if a dispatcher told me "we don't need you to do that," and there was a history of burglars fleeing while waiting for police to arrive, I would follow too

But at least you'd avoid getting into an altercation with an unarmed teen who wasn't a burglar at all before shooting him dead, right? That's where you and Zimmerman part company.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Well that's just tough luck for her then isn't it? It changes nothing. She can want all day but there she is, in the middle of it, so she needs to act accordingly. She just doesn't care. If she really didn't want people mocking her she wouldn't be online spouting off stupidity before she even hit the stand.

What? did she personally offend you or slap your mother or something?

 

[vas_a_morir]

She's just saying "yes sir" compulsively now even when questions aren't being asked.

I see they coached her a bit. But, the problem was always her 'tone' rather than her words. I thought 'yes' and 'no' were sufficient. I'll be honest, the way she is saying 'sir' kinda highlights her tone problems.

 

[Dubbmobile]

So now it's Zimmerman was following him while in his car? Has that always been the story?

I believe this coincides with what Zimmerman has said as well in his statements to police.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

So if you end up in Zimmerman's current position, that's okay for you?

Zimmerman's current predicament is exactly why police say don't follow suspects.

Yup. The one issue I have though with all this is people calling him a cold blooded killer. The guy obviously didn't go out with the intentions of killing a kid that night. Did he make stupid choices that lead to a kid being shot by him? Yes. He's not a cold blooded killer though.

Ultimately he should do a couple years time because his actions did help lead to the kid dying. There is no denying that.

 

[Sushigod7]

What the fuck? NOONE is respecting her right now. She doesnt owe anything to any of you WATCHING the trial from some armchair hundreds of miles away.

Like I said, this is the EXACT reason she did not want to be a part of the case in the first place. And none of you can relate because you aren't from where she's from or went through anything she's been through.

Your right she doesn't owe me shit, she owes the family and her friend who is dead everything. She hasn't told a straight story the whole time since the family got involved. Quit white knighting for the girl.

 

[mernst23]

What? did she personally offend you or slap your mother or something?

She seems to have a pretty shitty attitude and I'm surprised the judge hasn't held her in contempt at this point.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Yup. The one issue I have though with all this is people calling him a cold blooded killer. The guy obviously didn't go out with the intentions of killing a kid that night. Did he make stupid choices that lead to a kid being shot by him? Yes. He's not a cold blooded killer though.

Ultimately he should do a couple years time because his actions did help lead to the kid dying.

On this point, what kind of time is he facing if he gets convicted of 2nd degree murder?

 

[bob_arctor]

She DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS for this exact reason. Being judged by hundreds of thousands of people with internet connections and anonymity because of her mannerisms.

Look, I completely understand where you're coming from but she does come off as a classic chicken head, straight up. I am upset that it hurts the prosecution's case but I'm not disgusted with her or anything personal like that (which is what I think you're getting at).

 

[empty vessel]

if a dispatcher told me "we don't need you to do that," and there was a history of burglars fleeing while waiting for police to arrive, I would follow too

You have terrible judgment.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

On this point, what kind of time is he facing if he gets convicted of 2nd degree murder?

From what I'm reading in some states that's 20 years. I see that apparently in Florida they can get up to 30 years.

 

[ElFly]

She seems to have a pretty shitty attitude and I'm surprised the judge hasn't held her in contempt at this point.

I don't think her attitude is the problem; the judge must have seen way more annoyed witnesses in her time. The jury may be unimpressed but eh.

Problem is she never took her testimony seriously, gave contradicting testimony, plain old lied, and now it seems she can't even keep her story straight in the few points that are truly important: what did she hear in the final moments of her phone call.

 

[KHarvey16]

From what I'm reading in some states that's 20 years. I see that apparently in Florida they can get up to 30 years.

Minimum sentence in Florida for second degree murder with a firearm is 25 years I believe.

 

[Karkador]

Look, I completely understand where you're coming from but she does come off as a classic chicken head, straight up. I am upset that it hurts the prosecution's case but I'm not disgusted with her or anything personal like that (which is what I think you're getting at).

Are you saying she sucks a lot of dick? What?

 

[Downhome]

Yup. The one issue I have though with all this is people calling him a cold blooded killer. The guy obviously didn't go out with the intentions of killing a kid that night. Did he make stupid choices that lead to a kid being shot by him? Yes. He's not a cold blooded killer though.

Ultimately he should do a couple years time because his actions did help lead to the kid dying. There is no denying that.

That's how I fell about it. I think it's insane for anyone to believe that he is some sort of insane racist clod blooded killer, out for blood on that night and he followed him with every intention to commit a murder of a young black kid. Some people actually feel that way, I've talked to a few of them. It's crazy. He wouldn't have called 9/11 or whatever and stay on the phone with them for so long during most of the timeline if he wanted to do something that crazy.

I think he was legitimatly worried about his community, and when he saw someone unfamiliar in the neighborhood after having bad things happen in the past and nothing was ever done about it, he decided to follow someone until the police arrived so that they could be sure to catch who was believed at the time to be a suspicious, unfamiliar, individual. Plenty of people do that every single day and it usually doesn't end up with someone like TM being killed. I've tailed people before after calling the police myself, have it be someone walking through our area (although to be fair we lived way out in the country so there is never a reason for anyone to be around unless they were up to no good) and I've tailed obvious drunk drivers before also. Heck, I've been TOLD to follow certain drivers at times.

What he shouldn't have done was if he was going to follow him, he shouldn't have done it so closely so as to be spotted and then leading to any sort of confrontation. That was his first mistake, and that is on himself. I think what happened was a series of mistakes on both sides. I think TM was, rightfully, freaked out that he was being followed. If you were being followed you would likely call the person out if you realized you weren't going to get away. In doing so Zimmerman felt threatened, them TM felt threatened, and then whatever happened happened. Both guys were likely confused and assumed the worse, and one thing led to another and a horrible mistake was made. It never should have happened, in the end that much is clear.

I think either Zimmerman walks away entirely and then loses some sort of civil case, or he is found guilty of a lesser charge and does no more than a year or two behind bars. He certainly isn't going away for life or anything like that.

 

[Nokagi]

Are you saying she sucks a lot of dick? What?

I actually never heard the term chicken head before so I looked it up.

"Chickenhead" is an American English slang term that can refer either to a "dumb female" or to someone who performs fellatio.

I'm guessing he means the former. Least I hope so!

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

I actually never heard the term chicken head before so I looked it up.

"Chickenhead" is an American English slang term that can refer either to a "dumb female" or to someone who performs fellatio.

I'm guessing he means the former. Least I hope so!

I've only ever heard it used to refer to a girl who gives head, never for a dumb woman.

 

[Downhome]

I've only ever heard it used to refer to a girl who gives head, never for a dumb woman.

Same here, and I've only heard it in that way a time or two in my life.

 

[Steelrain]

I actually never heard the term chicken head before so I looked it up.

"Chickenhead" is an American English slang term that can refer either to a "dumb female" or to someone who performs fellatio.

I'm guessing he means the former. Least I hope so!

I'm sure he means dumb female. That's what people around me usually mean when they say it.

On topic, this chick needs a heavy dose of act right,.

 

[bob_arctor]

Are you saying she sucks a lot of dick? What?

I don't know what she does or doesn't do but her overall demeanor reminds me of the girls around the way I grew up around that always had the reputation of being dumb and materialistic.

Edit: also, I never heard the term used for someone who gives head. That's a first for me.

 

[dream]

I think he means "hood rat."

 

[hayguyz]

You have terrible judgment.

just looking out for my neighborhood

 

[Downhome]

I don't know what she does or doesn't do but her overall demeanor reminds me of the girls around the way I grew up around that always had the reputation of being dumb and materialistic.

COURT NAILS

 

[Karkador]

I get the feeling that the "dumb female" meaning developed as a result of the sexual meaning. Like maybe as a PG version that kids are told when they heard adults say it. I've rarely heard it myself, but always as the latter. But anyway, insult etymology is rather off-topic, so please carry on with the trial reactions.

 

[BSsBrolly]

That's how I fell about it. I think it's insane for anyone to believe that he is some sort of insane racist clod blooded killer, out for blood on that night and he followed him with every intention to commit a murder of a young black kid. Some people actually feel that way, I've talked to a few of them. It's crazy. He wouldn't have called 9/11 or whatever and stay on the phone with them for so long during most of the timeline if he wanted to do something that crazy.

I think he was legitimatly worried about his community, and when he saw someone unfamiliar in the neighborhood after having bad things happen in the past and nothing was ever done about it, he decided to follow someone until the police arrived so that they could be sure to catch who was believed at the time to be a suspicious, unfamiliar, individual. Plenty of people do that every single day and it usually doesn't end up with someone like TM being killed. I've tailed people before after calling the police myself, have it be someone walking through our area (although to be fair we lived way out in the country so there is never a reason for anyone to be around unless they were up to no good) and I've tailed obvious drunk drivers before also. Heck, I've been TOLD to follow certain drivers at times.

What he shouldn't have done was if he was going to follow him, he shouldn't have done it so closely so as to be spotted and then leading to any sort of confrontation. That was his first mistake, and that is on himself. I think what happened was a series of mistakes on both sides. I think TM was, rightfully, freaked out that he was being followed. If you were being followed you would likely call the person out if you realized you weren't going to get away. In doing so Zimmerman felt threatened, them TM felt threatened, and then whatever happened happened. Both guys were likely confused and assumed the worse, and one thing led to another and a horrible mistake was made. It never should have happened, in the end that much is clear.

I think either Zimmerman walks away entirely and then loses some sort of civil case, or he is found guilty of a lesser charge and does no more than a year or two behind bars. He certainly isn't going away for life or anything like that.

I don't think Zimmerman followed Trayvon with the intention of killing him either. However, I feel he did follow knowing the cops were on the way, knowing he had a gun, and knowing Trayvon was a kid. I think he felt like this was his chance to be a hero. He was emboldened by those 3 things. Probably felt like he could apprehend this kid and wait for the cops. He tried to tackle him as Trayvon was much lighter. Didn't expect Trayvon to put up as much of a fight as he did and got his nose broken. Finally got the upper hand on the ground (as he should have, he was 40 pounds heavier), pulled his gun out and shot Trayvon out of anger or it could have been an accident.

All things considered, he should rot in jail because ultimately it was Zimmerman who put this whole thing into motion.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

just looking out for my neighborhood

I think if you told your neighborhood that you're ready to shoot some unarmed teenagers, they'd probably say "Thanks, but stay the fuck home."

 

[ElFly]

Guuuuys whether Zimmerman was right in following Martin or if he followed him at all has been discussed to death, let's focus on the trial.

 

[polyh3dron]

She DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS for this exact reason. Being judged by hundreds of thousands of people with internet connections and anonymity because of her mannerisms.

It's nice to not want things. Her friend Trayvon probably didn't want to be killed actually.

 

[Trey]

I actually never heard the term chicken head before so I looked it up.

"Chickenhead" is an American English slang term that can refer either to a "dumb female" or to someone who performs fellatio.

I'm guessing he means the former. Least I hope so!

It started as a slur for a woman who gave head, and because of the negative context given to the word, it became a disparaging term for a female in general.

 

[Downhome]

Someone got all over her ass during that break, lol.

 

[Kacho]

Here is a link to right when her part starts...

http://youtu.be/_iYVUt3_HOQ?t=1h20s

I was reading everyone's comments on this yesterday, but now that I've seen it...wow. That was hard to watch.

 

[hayguyz]

I think if you told your neighborhood that you're ready to shoot some unarmed teenagers, they'd probably say "Thanks, but stay the fuck home."

of course they would, but that's entirely irrelevant

 

[Steelrain]

This chick looks like shes about to leap across that bench and hulk out.

 

[dream]

Hah, she just can't hold back the sass.