Bloomberg: "We disproportionately stop whites too much. And minorities too little"

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I'm actually stunned he said that. I hope he takes enough shit to have to offer a poor 'explanation' of the comment later. At least enough to say it was 'out of context', that's always fun.'


...seriously, what a little shit.
 
zero shift said:
^^^Gun shot victims have also radically decreased. The homicide fall isn't just due to better medical care.

If you were to put a gun to my head, I would say the reason why NYC has had a bigger decrease in crime in comparison to most cities is due to broken windows theory.
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It has significance, but it's not that amazing. People easily adjust to and work around it in practice. So one sees NYC enabling new laws to tip the scale as much as possible because their efforts are never good enough. Or at least that is how it works in Chitown. I wouldn't expect a difference.
 
Cyan said:
There were 515 murders in NYC in 2011.

How many stop and frisks were there? 685,724.

Please proceed, Mayor Bloomberg.

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Ah yes, I've seen this tactic before... When facing criticism, pretend you live in an opposite world from the world everyone else lives in. In this opposite world, all criticism is rendered invalid. Solid defense.
 
Subscribing to this thread so I can see if the racism defense force actually tries to give a real argument past that stupid murder statistic.
 
ShowDog said:
Stupid thing to say, especially when the difference in numbers is only 2%. I think he makes sense but I'm a white guy and I honestly don't expect the general public to hear anything like this and not lose their shit. People love to react without thinking, especially when it is personal.

Spock would say this is logical.
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No, it isn't so much logical to tie 'stop and frisk' with murder statistics as it is hyperbolic and for the augmentation of a tough-on-crime media narrative, suited for petty political purpose. It's hard to believe, but:


To the argument that this is somehow responsible for saving lives: less than two percent of stops have yielded contraband or weapons in 2011. Ironically, a few years ago stops of whites yielded more contraband, although they made up only around 10% of total stops. In fact, the arrests, summons, weapons and contraband yield rates have remained relatively level across all racial lines since 2005, despite blacks and Latinos often making up over 80% of annual stops.

But, no, keep in place a system geared toward throwing young minorities in jail for predominately minor drug possession. I'm sure nothing bad will come of it.
 
Schattenjäger;67028626 said:
And these two new laws are gonna make NYC less safe

Of course all these mayor hopefuls are gonna be against - we are in the middle of an election

Let's see how quick they reverse course if they are mayor and the crime rate increases
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what?stop and frisk is about drugs. they aren't going to stop random murders from stop and frisk. they stop hundreds of thousands of people a year and there are only a few hundred murders. how silly.

Novoitus said:
Who voted this idiot into office?
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rich elite from his neighborhood.
 
Jado said:
NYC is probably the biggest market in the world for pure cocaine. Who's using this cocaine? Upper-class whites in Manhattan. The NYPD generally ignores whites when it comes to stops and searching for drugs. It's been proven that drug dealing and use among whites is equivalent and in some cases higher than blacks.

High-end prostitution with illegally trafficked European women is also a big thing in NYC. The clients are typically white businessmen with money who do this regularly with impunity. Meanwhile, vice cops in the South Bronx are ready to pounce on any guy who picks up a hooker in that area.

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Conclusion: whites are disproportionately not stopped and frisked. The police turn a blind eye towards them and essentially allow them to roam free and commit the same crimes that routinely land large numbers of minorities in prisons with heavy sentences. The extreme efforts taken to catch minorities slipping have created inflated crime stats that make minorities look like the majority culprits in all manner of offenses. This allows them to justify treating them like shit. Bloomberg and Kelly are fucking assholes.
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Exactly. The police are driven by meeting statistical performance reviews. They operate in a system that rewards going after low-hanging fruit, who often don't have the means to wage a quality legal defence and usually plead guilty nine times out of ten when prosecuted.
 
BobTheFork said:
I'm actually stunned he said that. I hope he takes enough shit to have to offer a poor 'explanation' of the comment later. At least enough to say it was 'out of context', that's always fun.'


...seriously, what a little shit.
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I don't think this is going to blow over quickly:

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Synth_floyd said:
When does his 3rd term end? Or is he going to change the rules and allow himself to run for a 4th term? What a clown.
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End of the year. I wouldn't put it past him to do such a thing.
 
Cyan said:
There were 515 murders in NYC in 2011.

How many stop and frisks were there? 685,724.

Please proceed, Mayor Bloomberg.

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Tim the Wiz said:
No, it isn't so much logical to tie 'stop and frisk' with murder statistics as it is hyperbolic and for the augmentation of a tough-on-crime media narrative, suited for petty political purpose. It's hard to believe, but:


To the argument that this is somehow responsible for saving lives: less than two percent of stops have yielded contraband or weapons in 2011. Ironically, a few years ago stops of whites yielded more contraband, although they made up only around 10% of total stops. In fact, the arrests, summons, weapons and contraband yield rates have remained relatively level across all racial lines since 2005, despite blacks and Latinos often making up over 80% of annual stops.

But, no, keep in place a system geared toward throwing young minorities in jail for predominately minor drug possession. I'm sure nothing bad will come of it.
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These points make sense to us, but they're pointless in arguing with proponents of stop and frisk, since they freely acknowledge it's not necessarily meant to uncover crimes but to discourage crimes from occurring. To them, the inconvenience and humiliation they cause people is a fair price for the determent they believe their program offers.
 
I'm not American, and only see your country peripherally, but God damn it seems like such a strange land ruled by intrusive clowns with flag pins on their lapels posing as saviours.
 
Bear said:
How the hell is stop-and-frisk related to murder suspects in any way? Is this how most murders are solved these days?

The majority of stop-and-frisk charges involve drug possession, illegal weapons and contraband. Drug use among whites doesn't differ significantly from minorities, so that can't be responsible for this discrepancy. Going by the NYPD's own data, whites are also as likely to be carrying guns and contraband. The primary purpose of stop-and-frisk is to search for possession offenses such as these, it's not really well designed for much else, and whites aren't any less likely to be involved in the most common offenses. Much fewer stops are based on suspicion of violent crime, and like most stop-and-frisk cases it usually doesn't go anywhere.

But don't take my word for it, I never took his "logic course". He must be an expert, because I still can't wrap my head around solving murder cases like a lottery.
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Best I can figure is that he is showing that if there is a clear investigative bias then the results will also include a prosecution bias. But it's still weird.
 
I find it hard to believe that NYC would have ever elected a dick like Bloomberg to begin with. It's depressing that even NYC sucks that bad.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
These points make sense to us, but they're pointless in arguing with proponents of stop and frisk, since they freely acknowledge it's not necessarily meant to uncover crimes but to discourage crimes from occurring. To them, the inconvenience and humiliation they cause people is a fair price for the determent they believe their program offers.
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My point was more that Bloomberg's point is completely ridiculous. If there are more than 1000x more stop and frisks than murders, then why on earth would it matter what proportion of murder suspects are described as being of a particular race?
 
God I feel so bad for all those poor white people disproportionally stopped for crimes they didn't commit, but rather stopped purely because of their skin tone. It's dehumanizing and just horrible.
 
Gallbaro said:
The replacement will either be a fascist or a pervert
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Seriously, I'm really dreading the next mayor having a point to prove: either how unlike Bloomberg s/he is or how much s/he's doubling up on Bloomberg's policies. The best thing about Mayor Mike is that he's his own man and does stuff because he believes in it. His successor is inevitably going to attempt to launch a national political career and start giving in to every special interest possible.
 
There isn't even any correlation with what he's saying because the stop-and-frisk is obviously for more than just finding fucking murderers.
 
smokeymicpot said:
Yeah dude is a dumbass. Can't believe still he got a third term.
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he paid for a third term, big difference.

empty vessel said:
I find it hard to believe that NYC would have ever elected a dick like Bloomberg to begin with. It's depressing that even NYC sucks that bad.
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NYC is exactly the kind of place in the last 20 years that would elect a dick like Bloomberg. it's not the 80s anymore when the city still had an identity of it's own and not taken over by every.single.corporation. now to be fair this city has always been run by Wall Street. but at least us poor and middleish class had our own little oasis to call our own, where we could indulge and live in. now those have been taken over and pre-packaged for our consumption, even though we created them.

edit: and the problem is that the next Mayor will either be Anthony Weiner or Bloomberg's lapdog Christine Quinn, she of the "poor people don't need a raise or paid sick leave"
 
pardon my ignorance, but what would be the problem with Mayor Weiner? From the little I've seen over the years, he isn't a corporate hack working for the elite/status quo like so many politicians.
 
YoungHav said:
pardon my ignorance, but what would be the problem with Mayor Weiner? From the little I've seen over the years, he isn't a corporate hack working for the elite/status quo like so many politicians.
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Rather than fight an increasing cost of living, he will take the quick path and fight for handouts to buy votes.
-Further increasing the cost of living over the long run.

Bloomberg at least dramatically increased housing stock over the next 10 years.
 
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