Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)

I don't get how many times the PS3 (or N64 for that matter) has to be brought up before people get that the consequences of a single-console market are bad.

Aren't the PS3 and N64 examples of how the industry self-corrects though?

I mean, the NES generation was pretty much total Nintendo control, and Nintendo exerted great muscle on 3rd parties during that time. This directly led to the emergence of Sega with the Genesis which reduced the SNES market dominance significantly.

The fact that Nintendo's continued hubris and heavy handed practices lured Sony into the industry is just further reinforcement, creating their own worst enemy.

Then Sony upset the apple cart on Nintendo and Sega with PS1, almost entirely due to giving developers what they wanted (3D, optical media, lower royalties) but still exerted some level of unnecessary control on 3rd parties (no 2D). That wasn't enough to earn them defections in the PS1 era, and they provided the same with the PS2, keeping the core loyal.

It wasn't until they dropped the ball in multiple ways leading up to the PS3 for 3rd parties to jump ship to primarily targeting the X360. This is an example of the industry self-correcting in a matter of months, not years, when one key player stops making good decisions.

So there is no real negatives attached to a single platform leading the way in a given generation, as long as the #2 and possibly the #3 can carve out a living in the background (which Nintendo has always been able to do quite well). That lets 3rd parties reduce costs due to less porting and less risk publishing larger quantities (if you're going to sell 500k of a game you'd prefer to ship 500k of that game, not 700k. The risk of being supply constrained on one format and over stocked on another makes multi-platform inherently less profitable if it doesn't add new sales). This in turn results in more new IPs, riskier concepts, etc..

A single dominant platform has typically gone hand in hand with an exceptional gaming generation. I'd rather see a revolving throne than a scrum for who can eek out a slight edge from the middle of the pack.
 
Thinking about murder and actually having the knife in your hands swinging for our throats are two different things.

It's best for all involved that they get used to the fact that the gaming populace in general has no love for Microsoft right now. Whining about narratives isn't going to change that.

I asked a specific question about consumer rights which you didn't answer.

I completely understand the antagonism towards Microsoft. But this shouldn't continue to be framed as a consumer rights issue at this point.

I am of the opinion that people are too quick to forgive Microsoft for even attempting that BS in the first place. And it doesn't help that they started the Internet pay wall last gen.

Again, the question is one of consumer rights, not forgiveness or optional services.
 
Granted we don't know what's in the article BUT:

A. Game Journalist give softball reviews and interviews people complain
B. Game Journalist state a clear decisive opinion and people complain

Car rags always tell you who they think made the best car, consumer reports tells you what's the best vacuum or frozen dinner, Edge is telling you what they think, that's what magazines do.

It is shocking to see such a hardline opinion in game journalism though, usually its wishy washy 'aww shucks everything is kinda good" nonsense because they want to get review copies and swag.

Will be interesting to read this one though, I doubt that they are going to soften the stance in the article though, cause most people will never see more than the cover.
 
I'm assuming it comes across less fanboyish in the actual article and the cover is to get people to notice it, it is fanboyish though then they say it's the only option.

I dunno why people think Edge are all that credible in the first place though? They obviously favour British devs and Halo.

I will lol if Halo starts getting 8's from them and Killzone 10.

The cover is really just a visual/textual representation of the general sentiment over the two next-gen platforms. The sentiment was harsh enough against Microsoft pre-DRM reversal that even with the change of heart policies, they're saying that you shouldn't forget what they even attempted to do. They don't need to be un-opinionated, and even though their cover seems very one sided (which it is), it does represent what they think is, the current trend.
 
This is also 5 months in advance of launch, there is plenty of time for them to change their minds later on if they think it looks more even depending on updates etc in the next few months. Have you read the article or are you just commenting on it's headline?

Just commenting on the headline, mostly.
 
just imagine if the XB1 was on the cover.

Would anyone really say "Let's wait and see what arguments they have"?
Thats because the opinion of their readers probably crosses over with Gaf quite a bit, and what they are saying isn't too far off what I read here every day.

Saying 'the Xbox One is your new console!' Would be far more controversial as everyone would be dying to know what the hell their justification for it was.

Either way, yes, I would like to read both articles as its a pleasant change from the usual E3 round ups that have been done to death everywhere.
 
Somewhere in the back of my head im hoping PS4 is the next PS2. Probably the most deluded thing to say but that would slay.
 
An attention grabbing title that, judging by responses in this thread, did its job quite well. Curious to see the arguments when the mag comes out.
 
That's the main issue I'm having. It all seems so premature. There is still alot we don't know, how the OS's will perform at final product etc... If it was done the month before launch, with everything laid out, and they still take that stance... then fine. Right now it just seems like early propaganda.

Reeks of it.
 
If Edge have come to the opinion that PS4 is the only console to have based on power and price, good for them, bit weak but that's their opinion

Because power and price are the only deciding factors in whether or not you should purchase a console.
 
I cant be the only person who remembers this cover, surprised me at the time:-
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Man, Edge had classy design as far back as 1999. This one still looks current.
 
I asked a specific question about consumer rights which you didn't answer.

I completely understand the antagonism towards Microsoft. But this shouldn't continue to be framed as a consumer rights issue at this point.



Again, the question is one of consumer rights, not forgiveness or optional services.

At this point I don't trust them not to dive back into the consumer fuckery, and I imagine that's a common opinion. I suppose you can trust them if you like.
 
I surely can't read well. Didn't see the "vote" nor "good" parts. But yeah this is as much embarassing. They could have at least added a question mark. You only show me that this is the exception not the norm.

I don't think people here actually read newspapers.

Every paper has a political stance or endorsement during elections.
Except that they try to use gloves, and say it indirectly. Also, a lot of papers are usually affiliated by nature to a political side. EDGE is supposed to be neutral or at least that's what they convey.
You're right about the fact that we haven't got the article and are commenting on the attention-grabbing headline. But it is important in my opinion. Not only the article matters.

I can't even see what that is based on your link. *googles it*

Uh, that is no way comparable to the headline in the op. I mean yeah, it's an endorsement, but it doesn't flat out tell you to go vote for the guy and all other people running are irrelevant. This isn't even getting into the fact that comparing political endorsements with video game console previews is kinda off base don't you think?



Yes, because I very intentionally ignored one post in a topic of 700+ on a board notorious for its movement speed after I entered several hundred posts in.


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Fully agree with everything you said since the beginning. I don't even see the comparison with the TIME, Newsweek, The Economist covers. The tone employed is not as direct, not as strong than in this Edge cover. Nowhere in those covers do they say "the competitor is not an option" or "this is what you must do".
 
Uh, that is no way comparable to the headline in the op. I mean yeah, it's an endorsement, but it doesn't flat out tell you to go vote for the guy and all other people running are irrelevant. This isn't even getting into the fact that comparing political endorsements with video game console previews is kinda off base don't you think?

This:

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doesn't tell you to vote for the guy and the other people are irrelevant?

Actually, it's the exact same thing. Voting is a mutually exclusive process, when they tell you to vote for Obama (and they do) they implicitly tell you that this should be your choice, and the other choices are irrelevant. This is no different than EDGE saying Buy the PS4, the rest don't matter.
 
That would mean buying the magazine though right?

Is that their plan then? To sell magazines?
Shocking, isn't it :-)

A UK publishing company facing circulations across its whole portfolio that drop every year is trying different tactics in an effort to secure a future for themselves and the thousands of people they employ. It's a tough time as tablet subscription take-ups aren't replacing the loss of print circulation fast enough. Anyone who thinks print mags can survive by parroting the same PR as the online sites that have a fraction of the costs doesn't understand how fucked print publishing is right now. Opinion (and occasionally highly inflammatory covers) sells copies, that's why celebrity newspaper columnists are paid more than the entire subs and news desks. Now is exactly the right time to stop toeing the corporate PR line, as they have nothing left to lose.
 
It's slightly extra biting because this should really have been Xbox's cover. PS4 was already on the cover just two issues ago.
 
I feel all the backlash is creating a negative feedback loop that is just whipping MS back into line. As a result I think they will end up doing fine, as I am witnessing a large following of people that are still entirely convinced by the One's offerings.
 
Sure, saying PS4 is the only console is a bit premature, but I'm glad at least someone is not willing to let what MS did slide. Seems like everyone else is pretending nothing happened after the 180.
 
Seems like everyone else is pretending nothing happened after the 180.

Are you kidding? All I see is 'WE MUST NEVER FORGIVE OR FORGET THIS GROSS INJUSTICE AGAINST GAMING! MICROSOFT SHOULD LEAVE THE INDUSTRY!'.

DLC, disc swapping, RROD and no exclusives sis?
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You mean five years of shitting and slaying lives
and three of practically not existing.
 
Oh, please. One of the primary reasons for a periodical like EDGE is to recommend products over others to their readers. They do it every issue with reviews and give people ideas on future purchasing decisions with things like previews. There are plenty of legitimate reasons why outlets should/do provide purchasing advice or at least information from which consumers can make their own decisions. You're denouncing them without having seen the content of the article. Get off your high horse and stop conflating your ideas of journalism and enthusiast magazines which, by their very nature, are there to provide enthusiasts with purchasing advice.

Wow, relax, I was merely presenting something that can and will crop up in the minds of readers. Recommending the PS4 over the One is fine, but taking such a strong side as they have seems interesting as you honestly do have to wonder if it will affect review scores per system. I'll check out the full article for sure to see the tone, but the cover comes off in such a way that makes you wonder if Xbox One reviews will even show up in their magazine anymore.

I'm not on any "high horse" I'm merely speaking as a reader. We have dedicated Sony and MS magazines, the non-dedicated magazines usually don't take a side as to assure readers that reviews will not be swayed by their console allegiance. A bit harder to persuade readers that your Xbox reviews will still be honest when you come out and say "BUY A PS4!"

Interesting indeed. No need to freak out on me for it though!

I'd rather journalists presented news as fact, but remained on the side of their readers when considering arguments to explore for features and opinion pieces.

Journalists shouldn't be required to be faceless drones, getting readers to buy your magazine in the age of free online news requires magazine covers to grab attention, anyone who takes the first six words as the entire article without buying the mag and reading the lengthy article is missing the point- Edge is £5 a copy, and an article comparing both consoles equally has been done to death already by free publications. It's about finding new angles on things, even if its a provocative cover backed up by a reasoned argument.

Neutrality has been covered in depth by both online and offline sites terrified of pissing off PR from the big players, it's good to have some magazines that don't pull punches occasionally, and there are tens of magazines to read that don't cost any money if the thought of a lengthy feature that hasn't been entirely scrubbed of all opinion doesn't match what you are looking for.

I'm 100% with you there, in no way did my post suggest journalists become "faceless drones." Nor is my post suggesting journalists should worry at all about "pissing off PR" this has nothing to do with that. As noted above it has more to do with whether this makes them a Sony house, and thus pushes their Xbox readership to other outlets as they fear reviews being skewed toward the PS4.
 
I'm no fan of MS lately;
But you can't forget that tables can completely turn from one generation to another.

Company philosophies seemed to basically switch.

yup, and that is what makes competition so great. How would MS turn the tables? Years of awesome service, products, and prices. We only benefit from this.

I think that it will take some serious ass kissing on MS's part to win me back as a gamer. They basically said "we don't trust you, we don't care about you, and even tho you made me who I am today by buying my product before everyone else and spreading the word about how great I am, i think that id rather try and get that customer over there over you cause he's more popular and has more friends"

I won't buy an xbox one at all. Let them learn what that casual gamer is all about, but there is always next gen.
 
I still don't get why a neutral position should somehow lead to endorsing each platform equally.
You're right except that it should at least mean that you don't fully endorse one of them. Beucause if that's the case you're not exactly neutral are you? It's a bit too Manichean.

The cover of the economist on Obama has a message that is implied. It's clear enough and strong but the message is implied. EDGE's cover is told in bold words.
 
At this point I don't trust them not to dive back into the consumer fuckery, and I imagine that's a common opinion. I suppose you can trust them if you like.

You should put your "Mr. Rational" hat on and try to imagine just how they would reverse these policies mid-generation. It would be nearly impossible and even then, it would only be enabled by drawing a line in the sand and saying "from this moment forward, our new policies will be in effect only for this version of the console, this version of the software, and these future games."

Do you honestly think that's going to happen?
 
A neutral position should endorse no platforms, but let people come to their own conclusions after providing facts and putting them in context. Opinion pieces are fine, but should be restricted and clarified, even more so should they be about purchase recommendations.

Better yet, people should learn to seek out multiple sources instead of trusting and asking for sources to spoon feed them "un-biased sugar"
 
Why do they have to be impartial?

When they review 2 versions of the same game and find one to be worse, should they not say it's bad because it's not being equal? Don't talk shite.
 
Are you kidding? All I see is 'WE MUST NEVER FORGIVE OR FORGET THIS GROSS INJUSTICE AGAINST GAMING! MICROSOFT SHOULD LEAVE THE INDUSTRY!'.



You mean five years of shitting and slaying lives
and three of practically not existing.

lol they should've just kept releasing games at the end of 360's life cycle and not leave it in the dust to be a multiplat machine. They certainly gained market share but the attitude the end of this gen makes it seem like they went in hard just to beat Sony and not try to build on the massive success of the 360. Mind boggling
 
Close minded? No.

I'm just not an imbecile.

See, I'm not an housewife who gets beaten by her husband every single day, but forgives him each and every day because he kisses her, buys her flowers and says "I'm sorry baby, but you made me do that. You know I love you"

I don't have stockholm syndrome.

People are free to buy the console. Like they were when it came with a spiky plug that you had insert it in your rectum in order to play games.

It's just that, this is the company that tried to screw you. The only company so far that did. And you're giving them the thumbs up.

Want games? You got three other platforms to enjoy your hobby. None of them do what microsoft tried to do.

Don't be a dumb fuck.
 
PS4 being the dominant platform next-gen is good for the industry. No more exclusives, no more bad ports, no more divided resources. The advantages far outweight the drawbacks particularly when Sony seem to have learnt from their mistakes. What Microsoft has to offer Sony can't? Absolutely nothing.
 
Except that they try to use gloves, and say it indirectly. Also, a lot of papers are usually affiliated by nature to a political side. EDGE is supposed to be neutral or at least that's what they convey.
You're right about the fact that we haven't got the article and are commenting on the attention-grabbing headline. But it is important in my opinion. Not only the article matters.

They nearly always say it directly... Who says EDGE is picking a side? They're putting an opinion piece on the cover and why shouldn't they?

This is all such a silly debate!
 
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