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UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman |OT| God or Fraud

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Chamber said:
Chris Weidman just cost Jones a lot of money. I guarantee he isn't happy about this outcome.
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kinda like when Pacman lost

Mayweather prolly wasn't celebrating, 'cause he just missed out on a major payday

then again Mayweather is so fucking rich who knows if he even cared
 
Nice to see all the haters coming out of the woodwork after countless years of the Spider crushing their hopes. You've waited forever for this moment, so party on.

I said before the fight that I hope Silva don't play too defensively nor allow Weidman to do his thing. I know counter-striking is Silva's thing, but I wasn't counting on him overly putting himself at risk like that. I love when he pulls off his seemingly 'carefree' tactics, but I hate the very moment he does it because there's a huge risk involve, especially with the belt on the line. Tonight that risk was on display - it was like watching a Matador get gored.

Congrats to Chris for keeping composed and pulling off the upset. Still, the better fighter lost. In the meantime, I'd rather see Chris defend the belt at least once before facing Silva again. It would make a rematch more interesting once Weidman has time to shine as the current champ. That said, I could see a more serious Silva reclaiming the belt, easily.
 
Chamber said:
Chris Weidman just cost Jones a lot of money. I guarantee he isn't happy about this outcome.
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I doubt that fight was ever gonna happen. There was plenty of chance for it happening prior to tonight. JJ is not losing any sleep. He'll run through Gustafsson and then probably try his luck with some HW for some superfights there.
 
comedian said:
I'm probably very wrong but it looks to me like he dived.
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Hands down, leaning back, chin up.

Ask anyone who's boxed before. That's a good ass way to get knocked out.

AranhaHunter said:
I doubt that fight was ever gonna happen. There was plenty of chance for it happening prior to tonight. JJ is not losing any sleep. He'll run through Gustafsson and then probably try his luck with some HW for some superfights there.
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Anderson Silva was easy money for Jon Jones. He knows it, Anderson fucking Silva knew it too. Doing 400k buys against some scrapper like Gus is not where he wants to be when it comes down to it.
 
adamy said:
kinda like when Pacman lost

Mayweather prolly wasn't celebrating, 'cause he just missed out on a major payday

then again Mayweather is so fucking rich who knows if he even cared
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Mayweather was never going to fight Pacman before Pacman lost. He was going to pull a Hopkins/Jones Jr. and wait til Pacquiao lost a few fights.
 
Anderson Silva is one of his prior attempts at throwing a fight.

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I didn't catch the post-fight stuff. Was Dana pissed? I figure he's probably pretty ecstatic that his MW champ is finally a white American.
 
SnakeXs said:
Keeping your hands down in a fight, sticking your chin out against a guy with power, this is the stuff that makes getting knocked the fuck out likely.

I won't go as far as to say it's a fluke Andy's gotten this far without getting caught but he's an idiot.

An amazing, wildly talented idiot who I utterly respect as a fighter, but still an idiot.
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It was probably the 'best' way for Silva to finally lose though.

Instead of everyone talking about Weidman being a superior fighter, everyone's talking about how Silva basically handed him victory by being an idiot and clowning around.
 
TheKaeptain said:
Weidman's corner man was telling him to hit Silva in the chest any time he started his shit. So they obviously trained a lot for that shit. The way Weidman stepped into Silva makes me think he knew exactly where Silva was going.
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I don't see it.

I thought Silva managed to undermine Weidman's confidense pretty good until he finally hit that punch.
 
Damn just got home from work and catching up.


Kudos to Weidman for not only ending one of the most impressive reigns in the history of the sport but by doing it definitively and with a finish when many other fighters with wrestling as their background have played it safe with that Greg Jackson wrestlefuck bullshit.

I'm curious to see what the future holds for Silva. A rematch is probably a given. Do you guys see him changing his style and cutting back on the showboating and hands down matrix dodging nonsense? Or will he still get punked, suffer a couple more losses and fade into obscurity as Fedor did? One thing is for sure. I don't give a fuck about seeing him fight GSP or Bones anymore
 
TheKaeptain said:
Weidman was landing punches the whole time and never stopped.
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So? His punches were so ineffectual that Silva got too confident and started taking his antics too far.

It's pretty clear that Weidman's plan since the beginning was to drop Silva and hit him with his ground and pound. He didn't want to stand up.

The fight was ended with a single punch, the other ones that he landed first didn't have any effect.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Defend a four+ year record that is padded with guys like Zuluzinho, a Mark Coleman on drugs-errr-in need of surgeries, a catchweight-fest with Matt Lindland, Hongman Choi, a fat, disgraced Tim Sylvia, and "Instant KO button" Andrei Arlovski, all while avoiding UFC competition.

Please. I want to hear how that compares to ANY four+ year period of Anderson Silva's career post October 14, 2006. Show me the four+ year period in which Silva padded his championship record with freakshows, catchweight contests, and has-beens, and CHOSE to work for a second-tier org.
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Arona, Nogueira (twice), Cro Cop, Hunt

Silva: Henderson, belfort and griffin maybe. Those are the big names each of them faced
 
JJD said:
So? His punches were so ineffectual that Silva got too confident and started taking his antics too far.

It's pretty clear that Weidman's plan since the beginning was to drop Silva and hit him with his ground and pound. He didn't want to stand up.

The fight was ended with a single punch, the other ones that he landed first didn't have any effect.
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His punches weren't ineffectual at all. Just because every punch didn't rock the shit out of Silva doesn't mean they didn't add up.

As for his gameplan that was "pretty clear," again I post this evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAo_eAM_Hsg

Same left hook against another fighter who showboats and bobs and weaves with his hands down to escape. Weidman may be new to the UFC but the guy is talented and has a good camp with smart guys. This wasn't just luck.
 
Pretty unenjoyable way to end his reign, would have liked to see a real fight not Silva getting decked while taunting for 2 rounds. The worst part is Weidman looked completely lost during the latter part of round 1. Someone is going to steal that belt pretty quickly.
 
Instro said:
Pretty unenjoyable way to end his reign, would have liked to see a real fight not Silva getting decked while taunting for 2 rounds. The worst part is Weidman looked completely lost during the latter part of round 1. Someone is going to steal that belt pretty quickly.
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Ya, let's doubt Weidman some more.
 
Bummer. Silva losing is an end of an era. I would have liked to see GSP lose before Silva, even if he is more respectful. What kind of reaction were Joe and Mike having during the stoppage?
 
Jest Chillin said:
His punches weren't ineffectual at all. Just because every punch didn't rock the shit out of Silva doesn't mean they didn't add up.

As for his gameplan that was "pretty clear," again I post this evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAo_eAM_Hsg

Same left hook against another fighter who showboats and bobs and weaves with his hands down to escape. Weidman may be new to the UFC but the guy is talented and has a good camp with smart guys. This wasn't just luck.
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C'mon man, I'm not trying to downplay Weidman or anything.

He won fair and square.

But after Silva got up on the first round (which Weidman won obviously) Wiedman tried one or two takedowns again and wasn't successful. The punches that he landed didn't do any damage IMO. And I don't remember seeing any chest punch hitting on Anderson on the first or second round.

Silva isn't completely stupid, if any of those punches that landed did anything he wouldn't have pulled that bullshit that far. And when Weidman finally connected a good punch Anderson turned off instantly.

Frankly, that video doesn't convince me of anything. We all know Weidman is a competent striker. But as you said just because he knows how to throw a punch doesn't mean that the first ones did anything. He went for the takedown as soon as he could on the first round and you're telling me that wasn't his game plan???

He is a great wrestler and a far more competent striker than any of the last guys Silva faced, but he didn't want to stand up, and frankly it was the best strategy for him.

If they fight each other again watch Weidman bring Silva down with his ground and pound again on the very first round.
 
JJD said:
C'mon man, I'm not trying to downplay Weidman or anything.

He won fair and square.

But after Silva got up on the first round (which Weidman won obviously) Wiedman tried one or two takedowns again and wasn't successful. The punches that he landed didn't do any damage IMO. And I don't remember seeing any chest punch hitting on Anderson on the first or second round.

Silva isn't completely stupid, if any of those punches that landed did anything he wouldn't have pulled that bullshit that far. And when Weidman finally connected a good punch Anderson turned off instantly.

Frankly, that video doesn't convince me of anything. We all know Weidman is a competent striker. But as you said just because he knows how to throw a punch doesn't mean that the first ones did anything. He went for the takedown as soon as he could on the first round and you're telling me that wasn't his game plan???

He is a great wrestler and a far more competent striker than any of the last guys Silva faced, but he didn't want to stand up, and frankly it was the best strategy for him.

If they fight each other again watch Weidman bring Silva down with his ground and pound again on the very first round.
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Weidman's gameplan came from his own mouth in the post fight presser. It was to mix it up. He wanted to strike and wrestle. He did both. Winning the title, I'd say that gameplan was pretty effective.

Silva's showboating is part of his arsenal. The only time Silva doesn't do that is when he's getting grappled (whether it be standing or on the ground). He gets in dudes heads and makes them do stupid things with it. It wins him fights. Weidman in the post fight said Silva's a genius with mind games. I think Silva's real genius is that by showboating not only does he get in his opponents head but the fans take it as a sign that he's actually doing better than he actually is.

For all the showboating that Silva did tonight, even right up to before getting KO'd... what did he actually do? You're explaining away how Weidman was so ineffective, meanwhile Silva produced zero meaningful anything other than taunts. Silva's a great fighter but take this fight for what it was and stop looking for ways to downplay the loss.
 
Instro said:
Pretty unenjoyable way to end his reign, would have liked to see a real fight not Silva getting decked while taunting for 2 rounds. The worst part is Weidman looked completely lost during the latter part of round 1. Someone is going to steal that belt pretty quickly.
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Only guy who has a good chance of doing that is Vitor. That is if he doesn't get injured and pull out of the fight
 
M_A_C said:
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I'm sure this gif is legit great, but in a sloppy Chrome tab wher eit is rather choppy and pausing on the most wonderful of frames it's glorious. That left from Weidman did not miss, damn.
 
Its so true though that if silva won after doing all those antics everyone would praise him to death as neo matrix etc. (myself included)

If theres no rematch it will be a great shame.
 
Jest Chillin said:
Weidman's gameplan came from his own mouth in the post fight presser. It was to mix it up. He wanted to strike and wrestle. He did both. Winning the title, I'd say that gameplan was pretty effective.

Silva's showboating is part of his arsenal. The only time Silva doesn't do that is when he's getting grappled (whether it be standing or on the ground). He gets in dudes heads and makes them do stupid things with it. It wins him fights. Weidman in the post fight said Silva's a genius with mind games. I think Silva's real genius is that by showboating not only does he get in his opponents head but the fans take it as a sign that he's actually doing better than he actually is.

For all the showboating that Silva did tonight, even right up to before getting KO'd... what did he actually do? You're explaining away how Weidman was so ineffective, meanwhile Silva produced zero meaningful anything other than taunts. Silva's a great fighter but take this fight for what it was and stop looking for ways to downplay the loss.
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Lol! You're taking this too seriously, and looking too much into my post. Chill. =D

Did I say Silva did anything really especial? I did not. Actually, he did nothing at all as far as really trying to win the fight. Happy now?

Did I say Weidman got lucky? No I didn't. I don't know where you got that.

Did I say Weidman is an average fighter or tried to downplay him in anyway? No, again don't know where you got that too. Must be my bad english.

Weidman is first and foremost a wrestler, while he knows how to strike, wrestling is still his biggest ability and tool, and knowing this he went for the takedown as soon as he could. I sincerely cannot believe that his strategy didn't involve wrestling first and foremost.

After Silva got up Weidman tried to take him down again but was unsuccessful, he landed some punches too but they were not effective.

What I did say is that I believe Silva's mind games, manage to undermine Weidman confidence enough that he didn't even try a takedown anymore.

Stop being over defensive and accept a legitimate critic. You may not agree with me but you're not exactly convincing me either.
 
Silva deserved that, I hate it when he acts like a clown like that, this time he paid for it, Weidman was very dangerous as he proved haha, well done that man.
 
ScOULaris said:
I think a lot of these quotes from fighters saying that Weidman has a chance at beating Anderson are all part of one big snow job by the UFC to make this fight seem like something other than a one-sided beatdown by A. Silva.

They do this all the time. They're selling you wolf tickets!

Anyway, Silva will win in dramatic fashion. Most likely in the first or second round. Anyone who thinks otherwise was probably also convinced into thinking that Dan Hardy had a chance against GSP back when the UFC was doing its damndest to market it that way.
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ScOULaris said:
Could someone please give me a concise, solid argument as to how Weidman has shown anything thus far in his career to indicate that he'd even stand the slightest chance against Silva?

And don't say "good wrestling." Silva has beaten better wrestlers than him (i.e. Hendo).
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ScOULaris said:
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Is that statement pro- or anti-Weidman in this matchup? Weidman's resume definitely doesn't speak for itself. It's not all that impressive, especially if you actually saw the fights for yourself.
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Lol
 
Hardest I've laughed at a fight since Silva/Sonnen II. That Anderson wasn't landing much other than legkicks on Weidman during his antics (or at least wasn't crumpling him like Okami or Sonnen) should have been a sign that this wasn't Bonnar, but he must have been too high on himself to notice. Instead of getting more serious he got less. Even if it wasn't the 'cleanest' win (Silva's always showboated but I'm not sure if he's ever put in himself in quite as bad a position as that before), Weidman was able to do what no-one else could, both defensively and offensively.
 
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