Pristine_Condition
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And Jones legit wanted to be the guy to take Silva down for legend-building purposes (which does translate into more Nike contract dollars.) Now that's gone.
UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman |OT| God or Fraud
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And Jones legit wanted to be the guy to take Silva down for legend-building purposes (which does translate into more Nike contract dollars.) Now that's gone.
kinda like when Pacman lost
Mayweather prolly wasn't celebrating, 'cause he just missed out on a major payday
then again Mayweather is so fucking rich who knows if he even cared
Nice to see all the haters coming out of the woodwork after countless years of the Spider crushing their hopes. You've waited forever for this moment, so party on.
I said before the fight that I hope Silva don't play too defensively nor allow Weidman to do his thing. I know counter-striking is Silva's thing, but I wasn't counting on him overly putting himself at risk like that. I love when he pulls off his seemingly 'carefree' tactics, but I hate the very moment he does it because there's a huge risk involve, especially with the belt on the line. Tonight that risk was on display - it was like watching a Matador get gored.
Congrats to Chris for keeping composed and pulling off the upset. Still, the better fighter lost. In the meantime, I'd rather see Chris defend the belt at least once before facing Silva again. It would make a rematch more interesting once Weidman has time to shine as the current champ. That said, I could see a more serious Silva reclaiming the belt, easily.
I said before the fight that I hope Silva don't play too defensively nor allow Weidman to do his thing. I know counter-striking is Silva's thing, but I wasn't counting on him overly putting himself at risk like that. I love when he pulls off his seemingly 'carefree' tactics, but I hate the very moment he does it because there's a huge risk involve, especially with the belt on the line. Tonight that risk was on display - it was like watching a Matador get gored.
Congrats to Chris for keeping composed and pulling off the upset. Still, the better fighter lost. In the meantime, I'd rather see Chris defend the belt at least once before facing Silva again. It would make a rematch more interesting once Weidman has time to shine as the current champ. That said, I could see a more serious Silva reclaiming the belt, easily.
TheKaeptain
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Really this was a master troll by Silva's chin to throw the fight. I bet it had money against the man it is attached to.
AranhaHunter
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I doubt that fight was ever gonna happen. There was plenty of chance for it happening prior to tonight. JJ is not losing any sleep. He'll run through Gustafsson and then probably try his luck with some HW for some superfights there.
BadAss2961
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If they jump right into a rematch and Anderson wins, tonight will be looked at as a fluke.
IF he wanted to dive it would have been with that sub attempt. He was knocked out, he showboated and got caught. That's the story. Nothing else.
polyh3dron
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Come on.
Hands down, leaning back, chin up.
Ask anyone who's boxed before. That's a good ass way to get knocked out.
Anderson Silva was easy money for Jon Jones. He knows it, Anderson fucking Silva knew it too. Doing 400k buys against some scrapper like Gus is not where he wants to be when it comes down to it.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I think there's a chance he dived.
By getting knocked out?
Jest Chillin
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Mayweather was never going to fight Pacman before Pacman lost. He was going to pull a Hopkins/Jones Jr. and wait til Pacquiao lost a few fights.
AranhaHunter
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Hence why it was never gonna happen. Same reason why GSP was so adamant about not fighting Silva.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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Anderson Silva is one of his prior attempts at throwing a fight.
"Stop trying to hit me and hit me"
Anderson Silva is one of his prior attempts at throwing a fight.
Funny thing there is he almost pulled it off by dodging into Franklins fist.
I think Silva would have taken his $10 million dollar ass whooping and rode off into retirement. Unless you think he's actually got 10 fights left in him.
It was probably the 'best' way for Silva to finally lose though.
Instead of everyone talking about Weidman being a superior fighter, everyone's talking about how Silva basically handed him victory by being an idiot and clowning around.
I don't see it.
I thought Silva managed to undermine Weidman's confidense pretty good until he finally hit that punch.
TheKaeptain
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Damn just got home from work and catching up.
Kudos to Weidman for not only ending one of the most impressive reigns in the history of the sport but by doing it definitively and with a finish when many other fighters with wrestling as their background have played it safe with that Greg Jackson wrestlefuck bullshit.
I'm curious to see what the future holds for Silva. A rematch is probably a given. Do you guys see him changing his style and cutting back on the showboating and hands down matrix dodging nonsense? Or will he still get punked, suffer a couple more losses and fade into obscurity as Fedor did? One thing is for sure. I don't give a fuck about seeing him fight GSP or Bones anymore
Kudos to Weidman for not only ending one of the most impressive reigns in the history of the sport but by doing it definitively and with a finish when many other fighters with wrestling as their background have played it safe with that Greg Jackson wrestlefuck bullshit.
I'm curious to see what the future holds for Silva. A rematch is probably a given. Do you guys see him changing his style and cutting back on the showboating and hands down matrix dodging nonsense? Or will he still get punked, suffer a couple more losses and fade into obscurity as Fedor did? One thing is for sure. I don't give a fuck about seeing him fight GSP or Bones anymore
So? His punches were so ineffectual that Silva got too confident and started taking his antics too far.
It's pretty clear that Weidman's plan since the beginning was to drop Silva and hit him with his ground and pound. He didn't want to stand up.
The fight was ended with a single punch, the other ones that he landed first didn't have any effect.
Grenouille
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Arona, Nogueira (twice), Cro Cop, Hunt
Silva: Henderson, belfort and griffin maybe. Those are the big names each of them faced
Jest Chillin
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His punches weren't ineffectual at all. Just because every punch didn't rock the shit out of Silva doesn't mean they didn't add up.
As for his gameplan that was "pretty clear," again I post this evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAo_eAM_Hsg
Same left hook against another fighter who showboats and bobs and weaves with his hands down to escape. Weidman may be new to the UFC but the guy is talented and has a good camp with smart guys. This wasn't just luck.
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TrumanBurbank
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Ya, let's doubt Weidman some more.
polyh3dron
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You have to watch the fight though.. Andy was in UFC 112 troll mode.
C'mon man, I'm not trying to downplay Weidman or anything.
He won fair and square.
But after Silva got up on the first round (which Weidman won obviously) Wiedman tried one or two takedowns again and wasn't successful. The punches that he landed didn't do any damage IMO. And I don't remember seeing any chest punch hitting on Anderson on the first or second round.
Silva isn't completely stupid, if any of those punches that landed did anything he wouldn't have pulled that bullshit that far. And when Weidman finally connected a good punch Anderson turned off instantly.
Frankly, that video doesn't convince me of anything. We all know Weidman is a competent striker. But as you said just because he knows how to throw a punch doesn't mean that the first ones did anything. He went for the takedown as soon as he could on the first round and you're telling me that wasn't his game plan???
He is a great wrestler and a far more competent striker than any of the last guys Silva faced, but he didn't want to stand up, and frankly it was the best strategy for him.
If they fight each other again watch Weidman bring Silva down with his ground and pound again on the very first round.
Jest Chillin
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Weidman's gameplan came from his own mouth in the post fight presser. It was to mix it up. He wanted to strike and wrestle. He did both. Winning the title, I'd say that gameplan was pretty effective.
Silva's showboating is part of his arsenal. The only time Silva doesn't do that is when he's getting grappled (whether it be standing or on the ground). He gets in dudes heads and makes them do stupid things with it. It wins him fights. Weidman in the post fight said Silva's a genius with mind games. I think Silva's real genius is that by showboating not only does he get in his opponents head but the fans take it as a sign that he's actually doing better than he actually is.
For all the showboating that Silva did tonight, even right up to before getting KO'd... what did he actually do? You're explaining away how Weidman was so ineffective, meanwhile Silva produced zero meaningful anything other than taunts. Silva's a great fighter but take this fight for what it was and stop looking for ways to downplay the loss.
polyh3dron
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Only guy who has a good chance of doing that is Vitor. That is if he doesn't get injured and pull out of the fight
I'm sure this gif is legit great, but in a sloppy Chrome tab wher eit is rather choppy and pausing on the most wonderful of frames it's glorious. That left from Weidman did not miss, damn.
Nameless One
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Its so true though that if silva won after doing all those antics everyone would praise him to death as neo matrix etc. (myself included)
If theres no rematch it will be a great shame.
If theres no rematch it will be a great shame.
Lol! You're taking this too seriously, and looking too much into my post. Chill. =D
Did I say Silva did anything really especial? I did not. Actually, he did nothing at all as far as really trying to win the fight. Happy now?
Did I say Weidman got lucky? No I didn't. I don't know where you got that.
Did I say Weidman is an average fighter or tried to downplay him in anyway? No, again don't know where you got that too. Must be my bad english.
Weidman is first and foremost a wrestler, while he knows how to strike, wrestling is still his biggest ability and tool, and knowing this he went for the takedown as soon as he could. I sincerely cannot believe that his strategy didn't involve wrestling first and foremost.
After Silva got up Weidman tried to take him down again but was unsuccessful, he landed some punches too but they were not effective.
What I did say is that I believe Silva's mind games, manage to undermine Weidman confidence enough that he didn't even try a takedown anymore.
Stop being over defensive and accept a legitimate critic. You may not agree with me but you're not exactly convincing me either.
I would imagine there will be interest from some LHW fighters to drop down and take a crack at Weidman over JBJ.
TrumanBurbank
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Yup. Easy decision between losing to the GOAT at LHW or having a chance at a belt at MW.
I imagine Rashad Evans will stop eating immediately.
General_Zod
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Silva deserved that, I hate it when he acts like a clown like that, this time he paid for it, Weidman was very dangerous as he proved haha, well done that man.
polyh3dron
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A More Normal Bird
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Hardest I've laughed at a fight since Silva/Sonnen II. That Anderson wasn't landing much other than legkicks on Weidman during his antics (or at least wasn't crumpling him like Okami or Sonnen) should have been a sign that this wasn't Bonnar, but he must have been too high on himself to notice. Instead of getting more serious he got less. Even if it wasn't the 'cleanest' win (Silva's always showboated but I'm not sure if he's ever put in himself in quite as bad a position as that before), Weidman was able to do what no-one else could, both defensively and offensively.
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