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[InsaneZero]

Was posted in the EVO thread, don't think it was posted in this thread though,

Let's not pretend that GM actually can do anything here.

 

[Myomoto]

Eh, what? How can they even DO that?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/NaamFamilienaam/status/354749672075706368

If it merits a retweet or not, you decide.

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

What's the relevancy here?

I'm pretty sure he's being facetious.

 

[Road]

Nintendo is just mad there will be more people watching EVO during 3 days than people willing to buy an Wii U for the past two months.

 

[Hex]

Shoot first ask questions later, too many things that can go wrong with that attitude unfortunately.

That avatar is really going a bit off the mark.
The charity gets the money either way in fact, so not only is it off the mark but it has nothing to do with the situation at hand.
I dare say bordering on slander at worst, just looking stupid at best?

 

[baphomet]

And with that, fuck Nintendo. I was looking forward to watching the stream and seeing something you don't normally see on there.

 

[Scum]

Out of curiosity, is that the board of directors? If so then the "new blood" can't come sooner. ><;

Yep. Miyamoto should be moved to some sort of Overseer role by now. The rest should be on their pensions.

 

[GuardianE]

I'm pretty sure he's being facetious.

It's hard to tell, man. And that's really unfortunate.

 

[Refreshment.01]

I expect Sod's Law to happen to Nintendo soon enough. They'll end up finally fixing a lot of their medieval ways only for people to just hand wave it away and completely dismiss their achievement.

For me, personally, this is the deep rooted problem...

Yoshihiro Mori, 68
Masaharu Matsumoto, 71
Eiichi Suzuki, 63
Shigeru Miyamoto, 61
Genyo Takeda, 64
Nobuo Nagai, 68
Kaoru Takemura, 67
Tatsumi Kimishima, 63
Shinji Hatano, 71

...a talented band of merry old men with their medieval "We must reinvent the wheel" ways.

I do think the age here has a play in how things turn out but these are not common old geezers. These guys are incredibly smart people, probably geniuses even, so how they could be so close minded for some things is beyond me.

 

[one_kill]

You don't think it's totally fair to have clarification from the TO's on this? It's shitty from Nintendo either way, but this is something that could have potentially happened months ago, not 3 days beforehand. It's also entirely possible that they did get the okay, then that changed, we have no idea which is my point. But if I had hundreds of dollars spent and time off work booked to fly out to play this I'd want an answer to that, I think that's beyond fair expectations.

Is Nintendo really to blame for your decision? Your decision was based off EVO's schedule. If anything you should be talking to the organisers.

This is a dick move by Nintendo, but the organisers at EVO should've cleared this shit before they did the charity drive.

 

[Cassius]

What a smart company would do:
1) Pay for a dedicated stream of the game.
2) Have intermittent commercials for the new Smash Bros.
3) Have two character reveals during Evo weekend (Saturday and Sunday).
4) Fly Sakurai out for a panel to discuss the future of the game with fans (let him see how much fun people have playing competitively).
5) Use the opportunity to talk about what great people Nintendo fans are for helping breast cancer research funding.

What Nintendo did:
"No."

We have a winner.

 

[Ravidrath]

In the end, things like this almost always seems to be the fault of the corporate headquarter in Japan for many of the big multi-national game companies.

I will now pretend this was actually an order sent down by Sakurai himself so I can imagine him twirling a fake mustache evilly.

I was told by a former PR person for Nintendo that they viewed YouTube as a giant pirate site, and wanted everything related to Nintendo pulled off of it. Not only did they think this was a good idea, but that this was actually possible, too. So that's the mindset we're dealing with here.

They just don't seem to get this whole internet thing. It's like they are more interested in the tiny amount of revenue people may be generating off of their content than the millions' worth of free advertising their users generate for them.

And I do think that's what it comes down to for them, like with the Let's Play thing. They see a quantifiable amount of money being made off of their products compared to an unquantifiable marketing benefit.

I don't think it takes much thinking to realize that millions of positive impressions of your game is worth more than the pennies of YouTube revenue, but this is old-world thinking we're dealing with here.

 

[18-Volt]

Well this happens when you put Iwata in charge of an office of a country he's not even living in. Those gaijins are doing something with our franchise? BAN it. But support when Japanese doing the exact same thing.

You're too Japanese, Nintendo.

 

[Yawnier]

Let's not pretend that GM actually can do anything here.

You may be right, still worth posting here though regardless.

 

[Refreshment.01]

What's the relevancy here?

Defense mode activate!

 

[MrDaravon]

Is Nintendo really to blame for your decision? Your decision was based off EVO's schedule. If anything you should be talking to the organisers.

This is a dick move by Nintendo, but the organisers at EVO should've cleared this shit before they did the charity drive.

Uh, that's exactly what I'm saying?

 

[prwxv3]

Yep. Miyamoto should be moved to some sort of Overseer role by now. The rest should be on their pensions.

He sould be restricted to only directing his own projects. He should not be involved in anything business related or games he has no relation too (paper mario$

 

[freenudemacusers]

Ah, so we can blame the lawyers? I love blaming lawyers!

Anyone got any good lawyer jokes?

How many lawyers does it take to screw a fanbase?

 

[Triple Da G.O.D!]

Fighting is Magic no longer existing in its original form...&#9745;
Melee not getting DAT STREAM TIME because Ninty said HELL NAW...&#9745;
Skuillgirls continuing to get screwed hardcore...&#9745;

EVO 2013 is 3 up right now. This can get so much more interesting before Friday.

 

[NEO0MJ]

This is a dick move by Nintendo, but the organisers at EVO should've cleared this shit before they did the charity drive.

Now that you mention it, it's strange that Nintendo stayed quite for so long when Hasbro immediately shut down that Pony Fighter.

He sould be restricted to only directing his own projects. He should not be involved in anything business related or games he has no relation too (paper mario$

That still hurt. They gutted Bowser so bad.

 

[HK-47]

I do think the age here has a play in how things turn out but these are not common old geezers. These guys are incredibly smart people, probably geniuses even, so how they could be so close minded for some things is beyond me.

Just because you are smart doesnt mean you cant royally screw up or not understand things that seems obvious to others.

 

[Box]

I see a lot of people want to laugh at Nintendo more than they want to try to get them to change this decision.

Now I understand how people get drawn into defending things like this.

 

[Starphoenix]

How many lawyers does it take to screw a fanbase?

I don't know, ask Starmen.net.

 

[TunaLover]

Reading some Confidential LICENSE AGREEMENT it seems the problem lies with the stricts guidelines about use of copyright material, they can be only used in America by NoA, or NoA sponsored events.

 

[Anth0ny]

What a smart company would do:
1) Pay for a dedicated stream of the game.
2) Have intermittent commercials for the new Smash Bros.
3) Have two character reveals during Evo weekend (Saturday and Sunday).
4) Fly Sakurai out for a panel to discuss the future of the game with fans (let him see how much fun people have playing competitively).
5) Use the opportunity to talk about what great people Nintendo fans are for helping breast cancer research funding.

What Nintendo did:
"No."

Jesus Christ

Fucking Nintendo

 

[SolarPowered]

I think it's more comparable than you think considering how much negative press it took for Microsoft to start implementing changes. However, overall I do agree with you in that Nintendo is far more stubborn on changing up the status quo.

Fair enough

I expect Sod's Law to happen to Nintendo soon enough. They'll end up finally fixing a lot of their medieval ways only for people to just hand wave it away and completely dismiss their achievement.

For me, personally, this is the deep rooted problem...

Yoshihiro Mori, 68
Masaharu Matsumoto, 71
Eiichi Suzuki, 63
Shigeru Miyamoto, 61
Genyo Takeda, 64
Nobuo Nagai, 68
Kaoru Takemura, 67
Tatsumi Kimishima, 63
Shinji Hatano, 71

...a talented band of merry old men with their medieval "We must reinvent the wheel" ways.

Some old mofos up in here.

Unbelievably short-sighted and stupid, even by Nintendo standards.

I actually tried to make some calls to Nintendo today to see if I could convince anyone to change their stance on this, but the one guy I was able to get ahold of basically said "I get what you're saying, but this is legal's call."

Don't blame Reggie or anyone, blame Nintendo of Japan. I think the entirety of NoA understand how bad this is, but until they can convince NoJ nothing will change.

Thanks for trying, Ravi. I hope people get this through this thick skulls already.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I expect Sod's Law to happen to Nintendo soon enough. They'll end up finally fixing a lot of their medieval ways only for people to just hand wave it away and completely dismiss their achievement.

For me, personally, this is the deep rooted problem...

Yoshihiro Mori, 68
Masaharu Matsumoto, 71
Eiichi Suzuki, 63
Shigeru Miyamoto, 61
Genyo Takeda, 64
Nobuo Nagai, 68
Kaoru Takemura, 67
Tatsumi Kimishima, 63
Shinji Hatano, 71

...a talented band of merry old men with their medieval "We must reinvent the wheel" ways.

Sounds about right. Nintendo needs fresh management blood. People that aren't stuck in the 90's.

 

[IMGF]

Reading some Confidential LICENSE AGREEMENT it seems the problem lies with the stricts guidelines about use of copyright material, they can be only used in America by NoA, or NoA sponsored events.

Archaic policy. Needs to be updated to reflect modern times.

 

[HK-47]

He sould be restricted to only directing his own projects. He should not be involved in anything business related or games he has no relation too (paper mario$

Thing is he sometimes has good influence in the producer role. And sometimes we get a Sticker Star.

 

[Ferrio]

Sounds about right. Nintendo needs fresh management blood. People that aren't stuck in the 90's.

You're being generous.

 

[VariantX]

Thank you Nintendo for giving KoF another chance to shine.

Last year's finals were way too good.

Yeah, the KoF XIII finals were the highlight of last years tourney for me. Just a barrage of intense and close matches that kept me at the edge of my seat.

 

[Rubius]

Eh, what? How can they even DO that?

Copyright. They are the owner of the game and can decide if you are allowed or not to stream. They could stream it, but they would be sued.

 

[FyreWulff]

If you have a twitter, tell NOA how you feel.

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica

Nintendo of American can't do anything. The one you want to contact is Nintendo of Japan.

Eh, what? How can they even DO that?

All commercial leagues have agreements or licenses to stream the games that they show with the publishers.

 

[MrDaravon]

You're being generous.

Hey I was playing Mario Kart on my Xband in the 90s!

 

[And Grows]

Thank you based Nintendo from saving me 2-3 hours of boredom. Now I only have to find something else to do when Buttjustice is on.

Wouldn't it be better as Inbuttstice?

 

[CrazyTank940]

What a smart company would do:
1) Pay for a dedicated stream of the game.
2) Have intermittent commercials for the new Smash Bros.
3) Have two character reveals during Evo weekend (Saturday and Sunday).
4) Fly Sakurai out for a panel to discuss the future of the game with fans (let him see how much fun people have playing competitively).
5) Use the opportunity to talk about what great people Nintendo fans are for helping breast cancer research funding.

What Nintendo did:
"No."

Now this is a great idea.

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

I'm not sure how much it really helps, but I believe this particular person works for Nintendo.

 

[Codeblue]

Well this happens when you put Iwata in charge of an office of a country he's not even living in. Those gaijins are doing something with our franchise? BAN it. But support when Japanese doing the exact same thing.

You're too Japanese, Nintendo.

Like NoA was great before then. NoA has sucked for a good long time.

 

[Poltergust]

What the heck!? This is awful! I can't see any possible reason for NoA to do this.

I wonder if people would protest enough they'd change their minds.

 

[SolarPowered]

Fighting is Magic no longer existing in its original form...&#9745;
Melee not getting DAT STREAM TIME because Ninty said HELL NAW...&#9745;
Skuillgirls continuing to get screwed hardcore...&#9745;

EVO 2013 is 3 up right now. This can get so much more interesting before Friday.

What more can happen? lol

 

[malfcn]

Nintendo have a statement why?
Nintendo has turned into a backwards company.

 

[one_kill]

Uh, that's exactly what I'm saying?

My bad SailorDaravon!

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

I knew you guys should have voted for super turbo

 

[MrDaravon]

What more can happen? lol

http://nation.time.com/2013/07/09/largest-nevada-fires-still-growing-near-vegas-reno/

 

[DaBoss]

Isn't Nintendo's Legal Action team or whatever it is called based in the US and a part of NoA?

 

[Azure J]

Unbelievably short-sighted and stupid, even by Nintendo standards.

I actually tried to make some calls to Nintendo today to see if I could convince anyone to change their stance on this, but the one guy I was able to get ahold of basically said "I get what you're saying, but this is legal's call."

Don't blame Reggie or anyone, blame Nintendo of Japan. I think the entirety of NoA understand how bad this is, but until they can convince NoJ nothing will change.

This company can't go on like this. This is beyond bad.

 

[RedSwirl]

I remember having somebody come to our college gaming club years ago during the XBOX/PS2/GCN era explaining the rules/regulations for running a tournament that involved cash. He warned us that a tournament for Smash is ill-advised because Nintendo had some form you had to fill out to use their games at public events like conventions, tournaments, or fund raisers. It had to be approved by Nintendo and then you were okay, but you had to disclose all the information about the event. We were told a big red flag was if prize money was involved. He said companies like Capcom (fighters), Microsoft (Halo), and most everyone else didn't care or had easy means to securing permission to use their games. Of course, this was like, 10 years ago. So who knows.

Apparently prize money in the fashion it's awarded at these tourneys breaks some of Japan's strict gambling laws, and Japanese games companies don't seem to be aware of the differences with western laws. I heard it took Capcom a while to come around and eventually back tourneys like Evo.

Of course that's all bullshit if it's true Nintendo streamed their Pokemon tourneys last year. Maybe Nintendo wants to hold its own tourneys for their IPs. I could sort of, kinda, MAYBE understand its reasoning if it wanted to support hardcore Smash, Pokemon, and Mario Kart tourneys on its own terms.

 

[javac]

yknow how games go on sale on steam before the sequels come out? that's because the old drums up hype for the new. nintendo is actually losing money by doing this.

Then be smart about it and demo exclusive debut of SSB4 footage or announce a character at the venue. EVO, Smash commmunity and Nintendo all win. But no. Nintendo just doesn' t have a full grasp of how to use and mobilize the communities for their own software.

Yeah it's true. I never said Nintendo did anything near the right and smart thing to do if what I proposed was the case but I guess I'm trying to understand why they'd do such a thing in the first place. Oh well.

 

[GuardianE]

What more can happen? lol

Capcom releases a Marvel patch that bricks all PS3s.