The problem is, there is no concrete information about it at all really, besides the 10 people number.
There's a petition for asking Microsoft To Bring Back Xbox One's DRM
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TheRealTalker
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lol those comments in the website Todd McGoats one especially Troll is succesfull
bascially a troll petition
bascially a troll petition
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
And some gaffer signed for even worst reason
if you submit that code, it would lock out the game from other consoles aside from mine.
You know how men tell gullible women they love them and they'll get married just so they can fuck them? Well...
EDIT: OK, possibly sarcasm, so instead I'll dedicate my post to all the real morons out there who believed that shit.
Wickerbasket
Member
The family plan was never fully explained because it never fully existed.
It was something they pulled out of a hat to make always online DRM look better.
If they really wanted to, they could still have the family plan for digital games and require an internet connection while using them.
They won't though, because it was never really a thing.
It was something they pulled out of a hat to make always online DRM look better.
If they really wanted to, they could still have the family plan for digital games and require an internet connection while using them.
They won't though, because it was never really a thing.
Neuromancer
Member
The funniest ones are the serious ones.
I might sign the petition too. I have no intention of buying an XBone but fuck it, if they want that shit, let them have it. Either it will be as awesome as they think, or, it'll suck but then we can all have an answer once and for all. My only concern is that some of this shit will filter over to the PS4 so I'm torn.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
The funniest ones are the serious ones.
It's not funny: I want more fucking Cloud.
As a guy who has owned Sony systems for ages I'd LOVE them to bring back the DRM.
Then the horrible commercial flop of the system comparative to the PS4 could serve as the 'head on a pike' example to all other companies not to make power grabs at the consumer's expense. We already have companies making efforts to serve their customers against standard corporate policy and tradition (Nintendo and smash brothers at EVO for example)
Still, there's no way they reverse the decision twice. double backtrack and stock holders would start jumping ship fearing the headless meandering nature is indicative of deeper problems.
Then the horrible commercial flop of the system comparative to the PS4 could serve as the 'head on a pike' example to all other companies not to make power grabs at the consumer's expense. We already have companies making efforts to serve their customers against standard corporate policy and tradition (Nintendo and smash brothers at EVO for example)
Still, there's no way they reverse the decision twice. double backtrack and stock holders would start jumping ship fearing the headless meandering nature is indicative of deeper problems.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
They believe EA & Activision were okie dokie with the idea of sharing up to 10 digital copies of one purchased SKU. Gullibility is one thing, madness is another.
Yeah. I do kind of wish Microsoft never reversed their decision on this. It would have been really interesting to see how things unfolded.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Plenty of other options exist that could have made the Family Sharing thing work. There will obviously still be DRM for any digital purchases made through XBL even after the 180, and for discs they could have let people opt-in for games they wanted to share, or opt-out if they prefer to actually own their game disc. It's not like the infrastructure wasn't in place.
Hardly matters, though. In light of everything else MS was planning to do, there's still very little chance, IMO, that Family Sharing was the golden goose that some people believed it was. There was always going to be a catch, they just hadn't gotten around to telling us what it was before they canned the DRM policy entirely.
Boo-hoo. If Sony had shit the bed as awfully as MS has in 2013 they'd be getting roasted here just the same. It's not their fault MS forgot how to communicate to its target market, and it's not our fault, either.
How about it existed and ms took it away cause without an allways online connection or 24 hour check ms couldnt inforce the game sharing and lending.
But of course we have to assume that ms is hatefull and they took it away because they are evil.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Very aptly put.
Yeah, they never made an effort to talk about the upsides when the DRM was on the table, so I'm dubious that they ever existed. When I read about digital trades in the 180 PR, I had to double-take because they'd never mentioned it once.
If it was really "lend it forever" you would only have to be online at the time of "lending" or "giving back".
Because it's basically changing ownership of a digital game (same as handing someone your physical disc), so there should be no more DRM than existing digital games.
What's the point building the infrastructure to support this if only 1% (a guess) of sales are digital?
What are these viable solutions then? If there are so many of them, write a blog post about them and you'll probably be offered a job within the week.
Going digital is obviously the ambition, but piracy becomes a much bigger problem with this direction. I'm not going to pretend to understand every decision MS make, so I can't tell you why the 24 hour check is necessary, but that doesn't mean it isn't. A team of professionals have this as their job, and they would have thought about this extensively, so it's pretty disrespectful that you think they can't do their job based on nothing but your opinion of their solution.
This forum has favoured Sony for years, so no that's bullshit. MS have obviously failed at communicating their ideas, but if Sony did the same they wouldn't be getting the same treatment.
Yeah. As has already been pointed out, they could still do it with digital downloads. All they need to do is have digital downloads require an internet check in when being shared. Just have an option which turns on the 'share' feature.
This actually already happens on the 360. It was something I was made aware of when I bought a larger HDD. When I redownloaded my arcade games, I found out that they needed me to connect to Xbox Live to play them. It is basically a DRM feature they have in place so that you can't just use your account on a friend's Xbox and allow them to have the game for free. The feature is already in place.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Not surprised, there were quite a few gaffers of the same opinion. Empty marketing buzzwords and vague promises do work on some people I guess.
Neuromancer
Member
MS didn't fail at communicating their ideas. They failed at having good ideas.
And you're wrong, Sony would have gotten roasted if they'd tried the same anti-consumer practices. There has been tons of negative Sony sentiment threads and posts over the years when they did dumb stuff. Like $599 US dollars, gamers should get two jobs to afford a PS3, etc etc.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Here we go again.
A quick read of the "Dual Shock 4 lightbar can't be turned off" thread will tell you otherwise.
Just an observation.
And what should I be looking for in the mirror? I'm getting a PS4 over an Xbox because I like the focus on indie games and prefer their exclusives. However unlike 90% of posters here I try not to jump to conclusions.
Wickerbasket
Member
The posters saying that this forum is pro Sony clearly weren't around at the beginning of last generation; everyone was jumping on Sony on the run up to the launch of the PS3, and even years after it launched it was still getting a beating here. It was well deserved though, since Sony made a ton of wrong moves.
Now the situation has reversed, and it's MS that are making the wrong moves so the forum is obviously jumping all over them.
Latvian Hitman
Member
You really think Sony would have been handed a pass by GAF if they had announced the same policies and fumbled the messaging the same way MS did? You think if people working for Sony had said the same shit that Orth and Mattrick did that GAF would have looked the other way?
I really, really don't.
Pyramid head
Banned
You know what the future is? It's starvation and dwindling natural resources. It's nuclear war. It's every life being extinguished when the sun goes super nova. Where are the petitions in support of hastening these futures?
lifa-cobex
Member
Maybe it's some sort of twist.
Maybe they just want MS out of the gaming scene for good.
Get ppl to sign petition,
MS backtrack and bring the DRM policies back,
Nobody buys Xbone.
Bye bye MS
Maybe they just want MS out of the gaming scene for good.
Get ppl to sign petition,
MS backtrack and bring the DRM policies back,
Nobody buys Xbone.
Bye bye MS
Bullshit. Sony and the PS3 were roasted on this forum for years. The Vita is still regularly laughed at due to its commercial failure. Stop this whining about "Sony bias!!" when MS is rightfully getting shat on for the stupid, anti-consumer shit they tried to pull.
Well if they honestly thought one friend could share cod with 10 people and play online then that's delusional.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Signed. You guys should join me and Major Nelson in the future!
Wickerbasket
Member
NullPointer
Member
I take it you weren't paying attention to GAF for the reveal and first few years of the PS3? Or the PSP Go?
spookyfish
Member
No. Just, no.
Sony DID get the same treatment with "599 U.S. Dollars!" and "LOL! PS3 has no gamez!"
It really boils down to posters on this forum have little tolerance for stupid moves that screw the consumer.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Signed
mdtauk
Member
Make it optional... Allow users to opt-in to the digital "benefits" and ensure there are sales and discounts which make the digital "restricted" versions worth it as Steam does.
The benefits...
The restrictions...
It is a matter of balance, it should be optional, and if you own the game on disc you should be able to convert it to a digital/shareable title - or choose to keep it offline.
If you choose not to opt in, then the game being in the drive should be sufficient to play the game from the HDD.
The benefits...
- Sharing games with friends and other devices;
- Ability to sync progress in the cloud;
- Ability to re-download titles you already brought;
- Allows games which require cloud components, like worlds stored in the cloud as with Minecraft online, and Sim City etc;
- No requirement to have a disc in the drive
The restrictions...
- No way to share games without online requirement;
- Online check in at set intervals
- Kill switch to remove games if necessary;
- Level of trust for Friends you can share with (on your list for 30+ days)
It is a matter of balance, it should be optional, and if you own the game on disc you should be able to convert it to a digital/shareable title - or choose to keep it offline.
If you choose not to opt in, then the game being in the drive should be sufficient to play the game from the HDD.
Actually, I think the DRM on the 360 is connected to the console rather than simply HDD itself. I bought a new HDD but of course I had the RROD happen a number of times as well.
Anyway, there is already a DRM system on the 360 for digital content.
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live/marketplace-and-purchasing/download-content?icid=furl_drm
Anyway, there is already a DRM system on the 360 for digital content.
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live/marketplace-and-purchasing/download-content?icid=furl_drm
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Microsoft's ideas usually revolve around finding new ways to stick it to the consumer.
You know what? I signed the damn petition.
I just want whoever made the petition to know that your selfishness takes precedent over the enjoyment of video games by people all over the world. It's true; YOU are the one with the quality internet connection; YOU are the one who always buys video games new; YOU are the one who supports any efforts to curb piracy (despite the fact that it's virtually non-existent on consoles, a closed platform to begin with). So, in essence, YOU got YOURS, so why should you care?
Despite every single online poll that favors the PS4 over Xbox ONE in a very lopsided manner... despite the mainstream media shitting on the Xbox ONE at every turn... despite the lack of proper internet infrastructure throughout the world, to support an always-online connection... none of that matters. You want the the vaguely-detailed Family Sharing Plan you were promised before E3. You want an all digital future even though the rest of us aren't ready for it.
I just sent Major Nelson a tweet with the link to the Change.org petition, and I hope he advertises the petition on his blog. I sincerely hope Microsoft heeds the voice of 5,000 PEOPLE, and reimposes the restrictions on the millions of gamers that will buy their products.
And, I hope that when your internet connection falters and you can't play your singleplayer games anymore, I hope that you hold fast and find something else to do while you wait to reconnect; That's much better than the alternative: purchasing a Playstation 4 or a WiiU.
You deserve whatever you get out of this...
I just want whoever made the petition to know that your selfishness takes precedent over the enjoyment of video games by people all over the world. It's true; YOU are the one with the quality internet connection; YOU are the one who always buys video games new; YOU are the one who supports any efforts to curb piracy (despite the fact that it's virtually non-existent on consoles, a closed platform to begin with). So, in essence, YOU got YOURS, so why should you care?
Despite every single online poll that favors the PS4 over Xbox ONE in a very lopsided manner... despite the mainstream media shitting on the Xbox ONE at every turn... despite the lack of proper internet infrastructure throughout the world, to support an always-online connection... none of that matters. You want the the vaguely-detailed Family Sharing Plan you were promised before E3. You want an all digital future even though the rest of us aren't ready for it.
I just sent Major Nelson a tweet with the link to the Change.org petition, and I hope he advertises the petition on his blog. I sincerely hope Microsoft heeds the voice of 5,000 PEOPLE, and reimposes the restrictions on the millions of gamers that will buy their products.
And, I hope that when your internet connection falters and you can't play your singleplayer games anymore, I hope that you hold fast and find something else to do while you wait to reconnect; That's much better than the alternative: purchasing a Playstation 4 or a WiiU.
You deserve whatever you get out of this...
So basically, you're a dickhead and proud of it. Nice.
How?