There's a petition for asking Microsoft To Bring Back Xbox One's DRM
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They didn't change gears because of feedback, they saw preorder numbers and knew the feedback wasn't just the vocal minority but reflected the feelings of the ever important early adopters.
This petition or any won't help because clearly those that were against their policies vastly out numbered those who were for them.
This petition or any won't help because clearly those that were against their policies vastly out numbered those who were for them.
lionkitten
Banned
Exactly - and there's NO limits. Ever. And only one person can play it at a time, just like the sharing plan, etc. etc. etc.
If the sharing plan was a fraction of what they said it might be, it'd have been great.
Wouldnt suprise me the way hes been going on lately lol
This
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Exactly.
Isn't this true of every product?
NullPointer
Member
Would be oddly appropriate for MS to do two 180s.
Neither are yours. Just because a 10 second disc swap is the bane of your existence, doesn't mean that everyone else is willing to sign away their game ownership for that one minor feature. Guess what, people were upset about the trade-off, they spoke up, and Microsoft reversed their policy.
It's too bad for you it didn't work out in your favor, but if you hate physical media so much you can just buy digital.
You are right, none of us can see the future. All we can do is make informed decisions based on the information we have. The information Microsoft gave us was garbage, and it led to a bunch of people not being too keen on purchasing the system. I don't see how you can be mad at people for not inventing a future where everything is sunshine and rainbows, and Microsoft just wants to make everyone happy, and then assuming that is the only possible future. Most people are not so optimistic about the intentions of multi-billion dollar companies, sorry.
And the persecution complex rears it's ugly head once again.
TheVoidDragon
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I can understand people wanting the ability to buy or sell digital games to other people, but everyone else was either bad or wouldn't have been how people thought it would. The thing I've seen people want back the most is the family sharing plan - do people really think Microsoft would let everyone allow 10 different people to easily share and play through a full priced digital game for free with no restrictions or disadvantages,?
The buying and selling digital games would of been with Microsoft's terrible prices as well. I don't see why anyone would want those disadvantages just so they don't have to spend a few seconds changing discs.
The buying and selling digital games would of been with Microsoft's terrible prices as well. I don't see why anyone would want those disadvantages just so they don't have to spend a few seconds changing discs.
Is there any proof to this? The whole low reserve numbers were behind the 180?
We're back at Xbox 360! Woooo!
nhlducks35
Member
Nah, I'm sure MS wanted to do it out of the kindness of their heart for gamers
SwiftDeath
Member
I will buy an X1 at some point now
Not at launch but it will happen
The next Halo has to come out at some point, no matter how much less excited I get about each new one
Under the original X1 policies I wouldn't own my games, so yes my complaint about the X1 was coming from someone who was going to buy it
Although like I've said elsewhere I do lean more towards Playstation but I want to be able to play and own all console games that I want to play
Would've been saddened if sony had followed suit and honestly believed they had
I am fully aware of the damn licensing agreements since 1994, don't spew that at me. I can still play my N64 games and no publisher can take that away from me
You damn right people who may not have bought an Xbone made their voices heard. If MS had succeeded in their scheme to force this DRM garbage down the industry's throat, it would have trickled down to every other facet of the industry. Then, people who avoided the Xbone because they didn't want to deal with their draconian DRM shit would now have to deal with it. Nip this in the bud now before it even gets a chance to take hold.
Thanks for the dick-ish answer to my honest question. Us Ducks fans need to be nice to each other! WE JUST LOST BOBBY
unless you're just a Giguere fan
lastflowers
Banned
What pissed me off more than anything is the #nodrm thing. not the sentiment behind it, nor the anger at complaints regarding the exact policies. As someone who is very, very interested in going primarily digital next gen, I would have preferred the discussion to be #NoOfflineNoBuy. The way the argument was framed made it a losers battle no matter what.
#NoDRM actually made DRM for me worse, because it got rid of the share plan...and removed the ability to use the physical marketplace as a factor for reducing costs in this digital marketplace.
I would have much rather seen this enthusiasm and anger regarding their policies targeted towards created an offline mode, Fight for a digital marketplace, better lending system, or an opt-in system rather than a blatant and outright dismissal. It's this binary arguments that really piss me off in the internet. The twitter-medium fuels this because of its low character count.
Parapraxis
Member
So it's okay for you to play Nostradamus then?
As a PS3/360/WiiU owner I had PS4/Xbox One on equal ground at the start. Their policies/actions/price/features are what determined which console(s) I was going to get.
And I wasn't trying to re-write the past or peer into the future, I was explaining from a rational standpoint as to why the sharing plan most likely wasn't what some, such as yourself and Heretic, seem to think it was.
Thinking publishers wouldn't have spoken up about the plan which would have crippled game sales flies in the face of reason.
Exact-o-fucking-lutely. I'd believe men can tap dance on the surface of the sun before I'd believe a publisher would sign up for giving away 9 copies of a game for every 1 sale.
True Underdog
Member
I was actually leaning MS up until E3. I wanted MS to wow me. Hell, I still want to want an Xbox One but I just don't. I have a Launch PS4 preorder at Amazon.
I still fully intend on buying an Xbox One. I hope there's a Halo Bundle/Version because I will probably buy it for the next Halo Launch.
That said, I totally get the hate the XB1 gets on GAF. It is pretty well deserved. MS has been vague and full of PR speak. So far, the XB1 feels like a $500 promise.
A big corporation's promise is not worth $500.
I don't think you were around in E3 2006 to August of 2009, then. There have been tons of threads & posts from posters that have gotten on Sony when they've done something stupid with the PS3 back in those years.
BradleyLove
Member
And no pro-Family Share folks seem willing to acknowledge that Sony reduced the share count from 5 to 2 for PS3 digital content.
It's convenient how this family share programme wasn't announced until after the 180. It's almost like they're trying to tell gamers "Look what your protest cost you! Har har!"
There's some potent MS flavoured Kool Aid doing the rounds lately.
Wrong. This was announced at the reveal. It flew under everyone's radar because of the shit storm.
SwiftDeath
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I wouldn't say it flew under everyone's radar
It's just no one understood how it worked at all
Giantbombs reaction video to the policies included it as did most other gaming journalist coverage
It was also discussed on here before E3
Vocabulary was just way way too vague
And the subject to change thing doesn't help
NullPointer
Member
Announced yeah, but not properly explained.
Latvian Hitman
Member
What kind of "proof" do you need? A confiscated internal email between MS execs?
Connect the dots:
- MS put out a release in the days leading up to E3 detailing what their policies were.
- Minutes after their E3 conference, pre-orders go live at retailers.
- PS4 pre-orders go live later that night.
- MS spends the entire week of E3 doubling down on their DRM policies, defending them, and giving no indication that a reversal is even within the realm of possibility.
- A week later, they completely and unexpectedly reverse position on all of it.
Is there really more than one possible reason why they did this? Bear in mind that they had spent, at a minimum, months formulating these policies and getting them to work at a hardware level. They had gone so far down this road that a day one patch will be required for XB1 buyers in order to reverse them.
Seems pretty obvious that they got their hands on presale numbers and sales forecasts and came to the realization that their new product launch was starting to more closely resemble an extinction event.
While I agree, that's not what he said.
Ok. Everyone was stating it as a fact and not an assumption. I was just wondering if, aside from that being the obvious reason, there was actual proof. Looks like there isn't and this is the most obvious reason.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Latvian Hitman
Member
Unlikely that we'll ever see proof on this one. Similar to the whole deal with Mattrick going to Zynga- they're not going to come out and spill the beans, but we don't even have lines that need to be read between in order to figure out what happened and why.
Hahaha yeah. I was just curious is all.
So, when Microsoft gets this they'll have two options, they can change their minds *again* and have the entire world catch fire again (and oh it would not be good for them one bit) for the sake of the 5-10 maybe 15k early adopters it would please (most of whom they can guess are more likely to get an XBO anyway)
OR they can deny the petition, let it go completely unheard, and piss off a small, but organized contingent of core fans who believe in their hearts that there were serious value propositions removed from the already expensive console. That might not have a long term effect... but it is entirely possible it will affect the first run of consoles being slow to adopt, setting the narrative for the rest of the year and maybe even the generation XD PS4 fans will claim the DRM sunk them and XBO will claim the lack of adherence to the DRM sunk them, and either way that's not a narrative I suspect MS will want to stick.
In terms of a corporate comedy/tragedy farce this is the gift that just keeps on giving. They can do EVERYTHING everyone has asked of them and each move just pisses off additional people from different groups while not staunching the bleeding much at all.
OR they can deny the petition, let it go completely unheard, and piss off a small, but organized contingent of core fans who believe in their hearts that there were serious value propositions removed from the already expensive console. That might not have a long term effect... but it is entirely possible it will affect the first run of consoles being slow to adopt, setting the narrative for the rest of the year and maybe even the generation XD PS4 fans will claim the DRM sunk them and XBO will claim the lack of adherence to the DRM sunk them, and either way that's not a narrative I suspect MS will want to stick.
In terms of a corporate comedy/tragedy farce this is the gift that just keeps on giving. They can do EVERYTHING everyone has asked of them and each move just pisses off additional people from different groups while not staunching the bleeding much at all.
There's no reason not to sign this; would-be Xbox One owners get what they want and hang everything on Microsoft's words, while the rest of us gets to witness the aftermath.
Still don't understand why people are using family-sharing to defend the DRM, they were separate features of Xbox One.
Still don't understand why people are using family-sharing to defend the DRM, they were separate features of Xbox One.
NullPointer
Member
Nah, I want an Xbone at some point down the line, but only because they reversed the 24 hour phone home.
famousmortimer
Banned
I've been receiving hate mail, messages, tweets, etc since the drm reversal. There are a lot of people that think we ruined their utopia. That's fine, I don't really mind it... but the truth of the matter is that Microsoft pulled their 180 because they were getting absolutely slaughtered in preorder sales. Since the change their sales rose.
And that's all that Microsoft cares about. Sorry.
We made drm a big issue and sony took the ball and ran with it. Indirectly i think this affected Microsoft. But i dont think we had any direct affect on them. Money did.
And that's all that Microsoft cares about. Sorry.
We made drm a big issue and sony took the ball and ran with it. Indirectly i think this affected Microsoft. But i dont think we had any direct affect on them. Money did.
I think we all do on some level, but as you've pointed out it would be at some point; Microsoft just can't be trusted with our money right now.
So I'm not allowed to believe what a company says about their own plan because it sounds too good to be true in the opinions of other people? Okay.
Heh, can't count the number of times in which I read about features that sounded that way that actually ended up true (especially this past gen with the increase in online gaming features/services).
Either way, it's gone now so there's no point in further debating it.
Zombie James
Banned
Some of these comments...
NullPointer
Member
Well how does it all square for you? How is the family plan as you understand it not worse for publishers in every way than used games?
It was bad for the industry, purchase or not. Period.
lastflowers
Banned
That's really pretty sad. I think the campaign was a little misguided, but the sentiment behind it was definitely a good thing. Personally, I wanted policies to be more lax and forgiving, and there needed to be a digital marketplace/offline mode designation. I was hoping the campaign would spur that kind of change--one that only unilateral benefits everyone, not the reversal that happened that does take away some benefits even if only for the vast minority.
Console Warriors gonna warrior, I guess. About the hatemail stuff, I'm referring (QUICKEDIT)
Uno Venova
Banned
Man sometimes I just want to peer into the minds of these people.
Oof, someone slipped up a bit.
You can believe anything you like. Applying common sense to the situation, however, should point you down the more plausible path.
Interesting you're willing to believe in the power of unicorns unless it comes from Cerny, however.
lastflowers
Banned
I don't know about that cerny fellow, his eyes are shifty. Nah wah im sayin?
Unicorns vs plazebras. Would be a good fight.
Post them.
qa_engineer
Member
God bless America. Even stupid people have a voice.
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