There's a petition for asking Microsoft To Bring Back Xbox One's DRM
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The DRM was not mandated by third parties.
The "general consumer" rejected the idea by not buying it. That's why it was reversed.
FunkyPajamas
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Shit perhaps?
Kazuma Kiryu
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Damn microsoft, they're not letting people go digital with this new policy.
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comes from
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F*ck
Damn
Hell
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all being 4 letter words.
legacyzero
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Yeah, have fun with that.
:lol some people.
:lol some people.
TouchMyBox
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I wish them the best of luck. Let's have the most amount of possible drama.
Ooooh, okay. I figured I was missing something (I need my morning coffee), but I just didn't see what.
This. All those options could still be available but they chose to take their ball and go home.
BradleyLove
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So what's stopping folks buying DD versions for Xbone? All games will have DD release day one. Don't like case/discs then buy digital, but those who do like the physical product now don't have any extra restriction.
Everybody wins, no?
It's called "buying digital". That hasn't gone away.
ElRenoRaven
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Exactly. MS could very easily go you know if you buy digitally you can have all this shit including the check ins. Or if you want when installing from a disc If you agree you again can have all this. They just don't want to because they're throwing a fit like a 6 year old in Walmart would because they didn't get their way. It was all or nothing and now that people didn't want it they're taking their ball and going home with it.
There is no denying there were good things they could still do like the sharing. There is no reason it can't be done still now though.
It wasn't mandated, but that doesn't mean they were against it or didn't want it. They have been demonizing the resell market for years now. Xbox One taking off would be a wet dream for them and thats exactly what MS was playing to and hoping to get exclusive support.
The general consumer didn't even have a chance to speak about it, the backlash was all forum dwelling hardcore gamers. That was apparent from the multiple personality syndrome most gaming journalist sites were carrying on with at that time. They didn't know which audience to play up to so they kept waffling till the Sony conference.
It was the preorder numbers that really made MS backpeddle, they didn't see that bump and got scared. I don't feel they would have rebounded much by launch but I still would have wanted to see them keep the DRM and their plans to the full extent to see how it would have all played out. Call it a social experiment, it would have been a complete trouncing of this DRM bullshit and show firsthand to developers and publishers why the resell market isn't the reason for their failures. What we have now is like a wet fish, its just a postponement of what will come and unresolved ideals and fingerpointing.
Caayn
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Am I the only one who prefers it if the DRM came back as an option? I would love to play my physical games without the disc in the drive. And I'm not bothered by the downsides of this DRM. But I also understand that others are bothered by it, thus making it an option to use it for those who want the benefits of it like me.
excaliburps
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I would sign it, but not for the same reasons.
LOL! I can't wrap my head around this. Seriously? People want to be chained and whatnot and for what? I can't even give an example as to why this would benefit gamers.
And yes, that "family sharing" thing was a pipedream. If that was really their solution, wouldn't announcing that at E3 or when this whole mess started alleviated this? Heck, we've contacted MS PR countless times and didn't even hear a peep.
If MS was restricting secondhand sales, what on earth makes you think they'll allow 10 friggin' people to buy just ONE game and share it among themselves? You don't even need to be good at business to know that's one weird logic.
It's like a movie company announcing you can't resell or loan your movies but you'll be able to share it with 20 people with no charge. It's so damn ridiculous I can't believe people think that was ever going to happen.
No way in hell MS won't pimp that stuff out if it was their intent.
RurouniZel
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Why do these people hate freedom?
BobTheFork
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CliffyB started this shit didn't he?
I'm going to be laughing at them when that happens. Their fault that they wanted DRM back.
Oh, wait...Microsoft can easily bring it back at anytime though, it's not completely gone since they spent millions designing it around the XBO's architecture.
SwiftDeath
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Link to sources please
I've honestly been looking for a 3rd party publisher or someone anyone to confirm MS's "vision" of family sharing as that holds a lot more weight with me then MS statements
Honestly think the original vision of Family share was the 60 minute demo described by cboat but that the fear E3 put into MS might've had them look at making it a full game share
Still doubt it though
Also have yet to hear any logical/rational reason why MS can't implement all their wonderful innovative features on digital downloads
CaptainTiptop
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"Consumers were uninformed" hahaha, yeah, okay. They were 'uninformed' so they 'rallied against it', that makes no sense.
Sho_Nuff82
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Bringing back game sharing for digital purchases (with online drm for the shared title) does make sense. No to everything else though. Honestly, how hard is this?
DXLelouch153
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lets find whoever started this petition and repeatedly stomp them in the nuts due to their incompetence
Quadraphonic
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It never existed as people imagined it. That's the whole point of why they killed it. It got too big built on misconceptions.
3rdamention
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There never was a direct quote from a 3rd party saying they pushed for the DRM. There were only rumors they pushed for it. I think that was more of a defense people created for MS to defend their DRM decisions. Like MS only did it because they were catering to their wishes.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Care to provide a link to these sources??
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I'm disappointed that they did a 180. Flip the switch back Microsoft, I'm dying to see these guys get their way!
Bluekaveli
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I like this. Make it happen captain.
Moral Panic
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I think it's too late to change it now as the damage is gone, but Xbone was much better with the DRM then without it. With the DRM Xbone brings most of the benefits of Steamworks to games consoles. The number 1 problem with digital games are the prices due to no competition, but with the old system you could've popped down to your local store and bought a brand new digital copy at a competitive price. Want to switch games? No need to worry about scratched disks or getting up to change it. Go to your friends Xbone, sign in, and all your games are there. Then there was the family sharing system, which would've allowed some game sharing (vs 0 game sharing on Steam).
With the new system Xbone is a weaker, more expensive PS4. Why they changed it is beyond comprehension.
With the new system Xbone is a weaker, more expensive PS4. Why they changed it is beyond comprehension.
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/347748309550645249
Then some statements from MS like this: http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-xbox-one-family-game-share-was-never-time-limited
...That still has unique features and games that may appeal to someone. Wouldn't say it's like that.
Yeaaahhhh....
So why is Geis the only third party person to ever confirm that it was full games?
And that second link, just shows one of the MS twitter responses and those are to be taken with a truckload of salt.
InfiniteBento
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Also Bgamer90, you are the guy who would not believe that PS4 wouldn't require an internet connection, even after it was repeatedly explained by Sony higher ups before the conference.
You were very adamant in this thread:
Mark Cerny: "PlayStation 4 won't require to be always connected"
Yet you are taking what two MS employees (and Geis) are saying as gospel after the 180 (thus they can claim it was anything).
You were very adamant in this thread:
Mark Cerny: "PlayStation 4 won't require to be always connected"
Yet you are taking what two MS employees (and Geis) are saying as gospel after the 180 (thus they can claim it was anything).
Never understood why MS still couldn't do all that with games bought off their digital store.
I also do not believe that the family plan was exactly what MS said it was. Not just because I'm more trusting of CBOAT vs Geis and MS PR, but because it made no logical sense that an industry fighting to keep 1 game from passing to 1 other person would be fine with 1 person sharing that same game with 10 people and getting to keep his copy.
I also do not believe that the family plan was exactly what MS said it was. Not just because I'm more trusting of CBOAT vs Geis and MS PR, but because it made no logical sense that an industry fighting to keep 1 game from passing to 1 other person would be fine with 1 person sharing that same game with 10 people and getting to keep his copy.
Console warriors, come out and playyeeeeeeeaaayyyyy.
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They did the smart thing by reversing it all for the sake of damage control. MS could have avoided a world of hurt if they just announced offlinedisc based play at E3, fucking idiots.
FunkyPajamas
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Oh, wow, his "I'm familiar with how companies twist things for good PR via making vague statements" in the face of his comments in this thread is really an eye opener.
Latvian Hitman
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