The characters all had strange accents and awkward line readings. The lead actor had no charisma. Actually this movie reminds me of a Tron- a dazzling sound and light spectacle with a wooden, charisma-less male lead playing a bad character.. Supported by an occasionally interesting supporting player. I is like Idris though .. This movie is better than Tron because of how earnest it was though ... You could feel the love onscreen.. Tron is just soulless
Care to elaborate on it in some detail? I agree acting was weak (the female lead in particular), but that's hardly "everything", and again there were movies this year alone that were similar acting wise (After Earth comes to mind).
I haven't watched the After Earth, but yeah, maybe that movie was worse.
I thought there was forced exposition that was done poorly. Some of the character interaction was weak due to cliches that was done too fast. You could have see the first the main character met the female counterpart after that Helicopter landed was cringe worthy. '' Don't worry you will see all my memory and when you do, don't fight it, embrace it'' Bloody hell.
Yes, the whole dialogue was cringe worthy. Honestly, I would just love the fights to happen and cut the other parts and that would save a lot of boredom and annoyance. The sound effect was badly balanced. Some of those scene was too loud whilst others were too weak.
This movie shits on all other movies of the same type, the action and scale of it is like nothing I have ever seen, there were times that I just couldn't freaking believe the scale of it.
I LOVED IT!
Del Toro doesn't fuck around, he wanted to make a giant monsters movie and he did it masterfully, incredible well made action blockbuster!
Saw the movie yesterday. I liked it a lot but I can see why some of the criticism is valid. The plot is supposed to be on ID4 levels of really cheesy but fun, but only Ron Perlman and maybe the guy playing Newt had the charisma to pull it off. Del Toro is leagues beyond Roland Emmerich without a doubt, but Pacific Rim could have used its own Goldblum or even Will Smith in one of the lead roles. That's probably my biggest gripe with this movie, I think the casting needed more likeable actors, but I understand that using well known actors would have multiplied the budget.
Besides that, the action and the world setting was everything I was expecting and some more at certain points, the scene where
Gipsy uses the sword for the first time
was as epic as it can get, one of my favorite action scenes of recent times. Overall, I was really sad when Del Toro left The Hobbit but this movie really makes up for it. Totally recommended.
Del Toro is leagues beyond Roland Emmerich without a doubt, but Pacific Rim could have used its own Goldblum or even Will Smith in one of the lead roles.
I thought about what would it be like if Will Smith was in this movie a few days ago. I concluded that it would've made it twice as successful while still being 10 times worse. He definitely would've wanted his kid in Mako's or some other role, and several scenes would've been about him bonding with him and shit.
I think Tom Cruise was briefly attached to this movie too at some point, but left to make Oblivion.
This movie shits on all other movies of the same type, the action and scale of it is like nothing I have ever seen, there were times that I just couldn't freaking believe the scale of it.
I LOVED IT!
Del Toro doesn't fuck around, he wanted to make a giant monsters movie and he did it masterfully, incredible well made action blockbuster!
Personally I think a lot of you are trying way to hard to piece stuff together and make a coherent plot of Pacific Rim with most of the plot seemed to be poorly thrown together to just get robots from point A to point B so they could blow shit Some may be fine with that, I'm not.
IMAX is really perfect for such a vertical, towering movie. If there was an IMAX 2D showing, that would be best but the 3D is not obtrusive and even though I wear glasses, I forgot I was wearing them after a while.
Personally I think a lot of you are trying way to hard to piece stuff together and make a coherent plot of Pacific Rim with most of the plot seemed to be poorly thrown together to just get robots from point A to point B so they could blow shit Some may be fine with that, I'm not.
I didn't spend $36 to actively try and dislike Pacfic Rim. I just didn't like it. Sorry.
Funny, since yesterday I thought you were trying too hard to make it seem like they didn't explain several things that they clearly did and people have been explaining to you here and in the other thread.
It's perfectly fine not to like it. Another matter entirely to say things were convoluted in a simple ass movie like this one.
IMAX is really perfect for such a vertical, towering movie. If there was an IMAX 2D showing, that would be best but the 3D is not obtrusive and even though I wear glasses, I forgot I was wearing them after a while.
Drifting: How it works, who has control over what and how can it switch from one pilot to another, why was it needed within the plot (was two pilots really necessary?), how did Elba survive a one pilot mech battle and nobody else did (besides Relaigh which one-piloted the mech back to shore), how the link can be broken without killing the whole two-piloted mech (body damage reflects between pilots/mechs), etc.
Government: What was there plan to fight the Jagers after destroying the program, why did they completely disappear outside of one major scene, and why did they allow a Jäger to carry a nuke bomb to the rift?
Mako and Ilba: one scene he says she is not going to pilot, the next scene see is. Happens twice within the movie without much explanation. Mako never redeemed herself after almost blowing up the whole Mech dock station yet she wasn't replaced before a major mission takes place even though Ilba specifically says she was going to be grounded?
Ending: Relaigh survives even though the scientists (who have been correct every single prediction before in the movie) that he ejected way to far into the rift to make it back. No explanation for that whatsoever.
It all just got in the the way of all the awesomeness.
Here is your movie for you:
post-apocalyptic world after the Kaiju attack. Ron Perlman's character stumbles upon an ancient mech used to fight the Kaiju during the resistance. Somehow it works and runs (who the fuck cares right?),, Perlman uses it to survive and fight Kaiju monsters while GLaDOS tries to explain how everything works and Ron Perlman ignores her/just wants to blow shit up. There is your drama, there is your action, there is your comedy, there is your awesome mech movie.
Funny, since yesterday I thought you were trying too hard to make it seem like they didn't explain several things that they clearly did and people have been explaining to you here and in the other thread.
It's perfectly fine not to like it. Another matter entirely to say things were convoluted in a simple ass movie like this one.
It was convoluted as in it added a bunch of shit that didn't even need to be in there without much explanation and it all got in the way of the actual good part of the movie. That's what I meant by convoluted.
post-apocalyptic world after the Kaiju attack. Ron Perlman's character stumbles upon an ancient mech used to fight the Kaiju during the resistance. Somehow it works and runs (who the fuck cares right?),, Perlman uses it to survive and fight Kaiju monsters while GLaDOS tries to explain how everything works and Ron Perlman ignores her/just wants to blow shit up. There is your drama, there is your action, there is your comedy, there is your awesome mech movie.
Drifting: How it works, who has control over what and how can it switch from one pilot to another, why was it needed within the plot (was two pilots really necessary?), how did Elba survive a one pilot mech battle and nobody else did (besides Relaigh which one-piloted the mech back to shore), how the link can be broken without killing the whole two-piloted mech (body damage reflects between pilots/mechs), etc.
Government: What was there plan to fight the Jagers after destroying the program, why did they completely disappear outside of one major scene, and why did they allow a Jäger to carry a nuke bomb to the rift?
Mako and Ilba: one scene he says she is not going to pilot, the next scene see is. Happens twice within the movie without much explanation. Mako never redeemed herself after almost blowing up the whole Mech dock station yet she wasn't replaced before a major mission takes place even though Ilba specifically says she was going to be grounded?
Ending: Relaigh survives even though the scientists (who have been correct every single prediction before in the movie) that he ejected way to far into the rift to make it back. No explanation for that whatsoever.
post-apocalyptic world after the Kaiju attack. Ron Perlman's character stumbles upon an ancient mech used to fight the Kaiju during the resistance. Somehow it works and runs (who the fuck cares right?),, Perlman uses it to survive and fight Kaiju monsters while GLaDOS tries to explain how everything works and Ron Perlman ignores her/just wants to blow shit up. There is your drama, there is your action, there is your comedy, there is your awesome mech movie.
adj.
1. Lacking cohesion, connection, or harmony; not coherent: incoherent fragments of a story.
2. Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner: incoherent with grief.
In no form or fashion was the concept of Drifting expressed clearly, or that the plot had any harmony or flow whatsoever (IMO). A few posts above I explained why I believe that. Maybe a better word would be "disjointed" though, which is a synonym of incoherent.
Drifting: How it works, who has control over what and how can it switch from one pilot to another, why was it needed within the plot (was two pilots really necessary?), how did Elba survive a one pilot mech battle and nobody else did (besides Relaigh which one-piloted the mech back to shore), how the link can be broken without killing the whole two-piloted mech (body damage reflects between pilots/mechs), etc.
Government: What was there plan to fight the Jagers after destroying the program, why did they completely disappear outside of one major scene, and why did they allow a Jäger to carry a nuke bomb to the rift?
Mako and Ilba: one scene he says she is not going to pilot, the next scene see is. Happens twice within the movie without much explanation. Mako never redeemed herself after almost blowing up the whole Mech dock station yet she wasn't replaced before a major mission takes place even though Ilba specifically says she was going to be grounded?
Ending: Relaigh survives even though the scientists (who have been correct every single prediction before in the movie) that he ejected way to far into the rift to make it back. No explanation for that whatsoever.
It all just got in the the way of all the awesomeness.
Here is your movie for you:
post-apocalyptic world after the Kaiju attack. Ron Perlman's character stumbles upon an ancient mech used to fight the Kaiju during the resistance. Somehow it works and runs (who the fuck cares right?),, Perlman uses it to survive and fight Kaiju monsters while GLaDOS tries to explain how everything works and Ron Perlman ignores her/just wants to blow shit up. There is your drama, there is your action, there is your comedy, there is your awesome mech movie.
It was convoluted as in it added a bunch of shit that didn't even need to be in there without much explanation and it all got in the way of the actual good part of the movie. That's what I meant by convoluted.
It had enough explanation so that a movie goer would understand why it needs to be there. The fact that you are still asking about the drift when it is the very first thing they go over in the movie and show the effects of good and bad synchro over and over tells me you are just bringing it up for the sake of your point, not because it wasn't sufficiently explained. It isn't hard science fiction. We don't need lengthy and in-depth explanation of the scientific processes behind the drift, we only need to understand 1. why there are 2 pilots, 2. what happens when we have only 1 pilot, 3. How does this affect them physically and emotionally, allowing them to bond over time.
It had enough explanation so that a movie goer would understand why it needs to be there. The fact that you are still asking about the drift when it is the very first thing they go over in the movie and show the effects of good and bad synchro over and over tells me you are just bringing it up for the sake of your point, not because it wasn't sufficiently explained. It isn't hard science fiction. We don't need lengthy and in-depth explanation of the scientific processes behind the drift, we only need to understand 1. why there are 2 pilots, 2. what happens when we have only 1 pilot, 3. How does this affect them physically and emotionally, allowing them to bond over time.
I needed a lengthy explanation why is was included in the plot instead of one pilot because it was such a wtf from the very first trailer and I don't think they justified it enough to warrant the inclusion of it in the plot.
I needed a lengthy explanation why is was included in the plot instead of one pilot because it was such a wtf from the very first trailer and I don't think they justified it enough to warrant the inclusion of it in the plot.
Sounds like a personal problem to me. Everyone probably has personal hang ups with minor stuff in certain films which practically no one else feels the same way about. Time to move on I guess.
I needed a lengthy explanation why is was included in the plot instead of one pilot because it was such a wtf from the very first trailer and I don't think they justified it enough to warrant the inclusion of it in the plot.
Early exposition talks about and shows solo-pilots getting hurt after sufficient exposure. Almost immediately later in the first fight you see it again - the difficulty in piloting alone - not impossibility.
That said - it's as much an exposition device as a plot-one, used for flashback/memory scenes etc.
Frankly if anything was worth complaining about plot
it was the Kaiji hive-mind thing, but that was hardly complicated or incoherently presented either. Just not the best of writting.
Sounds like a personal problem to me. Everyone probably has personal hang ups with minor stuff in certain films which practically no one else feels the same way about. Time to move on I guess.
Personal hang up? I'll move on but that has been a huge question by many people going into the movie (even on GAF) and many people I have talked to (outside of GAF) still think the inclusion of two pilots was a stupid idea. But whatever, I have a feeling a year from now that will be a major complaint on most people's list once the hyperbole has died down.
That's funny because I thought her acting was beyond terrible. She was cute yes, but even the kid actress playing her character completely outshined her
I needed a lengthy explanation why is was included in the plot instead of one pilot because it was such a wtf from the very first trailer and I don't think they justified it enough to warrant the inclusion of it in the plot.
Early exposition talks about and shows solo-pilots getting hurt after sufficient exposure. Almost immediately later in the first fight you see it again - the difficulty in piloting alone - not impossibility.
That said - it's as much an exposition device as a plot-one, used for flashback/memory scenes etc.
Frankly if anything was worth complaining about plot
it was the Kaiji hive-mind thing, but that was hardly complicated or incoherently presented either. Just not the best of writting.
Not for this performance at least. I agree with the other poster, it was pretty poor showing.
I was trying to make a funny. I thought she was okay, like everyone else in the movie. They're there, just wasting my time while I wait for the awesome, unfortunately.
Can we all just ignore skiesofwonder and talk about how great that Hong Kong action sequence was? This thread is caught in a loop. How many times are we going to explain the plot to this person?
A Jaeger was thrown over a bridge like a rag doll...and it looked glorious.
Can we all just ignore skiesofwonder and talk about how great that Hong Kong action sequence was? This thread is caught in a loop. How many times are we going to explain the plot to this person?
A Jaeger was thrown over a bridge like a rag doll...and it looked glorious.
Can we all just ignore skiesofwonder and talk about how great that Hong Kong action sequence was? This thread is caught in a loop. How many times are we going to explain the plot to this person?
A Jaeger was thrown over a bridge like a rag doll...and it looked glorious.
Can we all just ignore skiesofwonder and talk about how great that Hong Kong action sequence was? This thread is caught in a loop. How many times are we going to explain the plot to this person?
A Jaeger was thrown over a bridge like a rag doll...and it looked glorious.
