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Pacific Rim |OT| Apocalypse Never

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Didn't know Regal theaters are that sparse in the states (well probably in the ruraler areas). Have ~20 of these posters reserved so far.

Still not sure what to charge atm lol. Saw an auction on ebay for $30, but most are around $15.

hmmmmm.... will probably go cheap, am a nice guy for gaf :)



On a side note, would totally buy some kaiju plushies.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
How was I supposed to feel about the giant robots, man? How was I supposed to feel at all? I can't feel without QTEs, artificial tragedy, gut-wrenching contrivances, and SERIOUS APOCALYPTIC MAGNITUDE OF SERIOUS SERIOUSNESS. Sure, The Last of Us was no less ridiculous than Pacific Rim, but tragedy is FOR ADULTS and action/adventure is for fucking children. You should be ashamed of yourself if you felt any enjoyment at something so juvenile.

0/10, shit movie, would not watch again, would not compare to Citizen Kane.

i recently tried rewatching the godfather, but after such highs of the last of us, the film was such a colossal let down.

I like where this trend is going...
 

Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Great Scifi movies build a base in some type of reality that gets the audience to suspend belief and start believing or understanding the rules at play in that world. Not only does Pacific Rim gloss over that opportunity, but then introduces a very complex concept of connecting two brains as one to control a mech or to see the future through a Kaiju, yet doesn't even begin to explain how it works or what setbacks can come from such a setup. Therefore it is just there, and when something goes wrong or a plot point is introduced involving drifting, it holds little emotional weight with audience members and makes little sense. On top of a concept that is barely explained being a central part of the plot,
the character development and plot are all over the place. Elba won't let Mako be a pilot because of her desire for "revenge" yet he hand-picked the lead character even though that character watched the Kaiju pull his brother out and eat him. A nuclear bomb has always bounced off the rift, yet they think a mech can somehow enter the rift by itself? How the hell would a newly born monster baby provide information on how the Kaiju enter and leave the rift? Lead character can safely enter a memory and talk to Mako yet Mako can't? How the fuck that mech landed safely is beyond me. And I still have no idea what was the great plan that was going to replace the Jäger movement to fight the Kaiju.

I don't know, maybe the story-related scenes were just so boring that I tuned out and that's what made plot "advances" so hard to follow.. but damn I would like it if some type of logical thinking wentinto the plot (even if it is a movie about mechs beating Kaiju up).
 

Future

Member
Fun movie. Good audience response. Good action. Entertaining throughout. Only parts that fell flat was some of the forced comedy from the scientists.

This is not a movie that you analyze every detail. Just sit back and enjoy
 

Mariolee

Member
Great Scifi movies build a base in some type of reality that gets the audience to suspend belief and start believing or understanding the rules at play in that world. Not only does Pacific Rim gloss over that opportunity, but then introduces a very complex concept of connecting two brains as one to control a mech or to see the future through a Kaiju, yet doesn't even begin to explain how it works or what setbacks can come from such a setup. Therefore it is just there, and when something goes wrong or a plot point is introduced involving drifting, it holds little emotional weight with audience members and makes little sense. On top of a concept that is barely explained being a central part of the plot,
the character development and plot are all over the place. Elba won't let Mako be a pilot because of her desire for "revenge" yet he hand-picked the lead character even though that character watched the Kaiju pull his brother out and eat him. A nuclear bomb has always bounced off the rift, yet they think a mech can somehow enter the rift by itself? How the hell would a newly born monster baby provide information on how the Kaiju enter and leave the rift? Lead character can safely enter a memory and talk to Mako yet Mako can't? How the fuck that mech landed safely is beyond me. And I still have no idea what was the great plan that was going to replace the Jäger movement to fight the Kaiju.

I don't know, maybe the story-related scenes were just so boring that I tuned out and that's what made plot "advances" so hard to follow.. but damn I would like it if some type of logical thinking to go into the plot (even if it is a movie about mechs beat Kaiju up).

I'll answer your post in the spoiler thread. There are still a lot of people who haven't seen it. No need to fill this place up with bars.
 

mxgt

Banned
The best is everyone thinking
that building a paper thin wall was going to stop Kaiju. And then acting surprised when it didnt
. Comedy gold.
 
Great Scifi movies build a base in some type of reality that gets the audience to suspend belief and start believing or understanding the rules at play in that world. Not only does Pacific Rim gloss over that opportunity, but then introduces a very complex concept of connecting two brains as one to control a mech or to see the future through a Kaiju, yet doesn't even begin to explain how it works or what setbacks can come from such a setup. Therefore it is just there, and when something goes wrong or a plot point is introduced involving drifting, it holds little emotional weight with audience members and makes little sense. On top of a concept that is barely explained being a central part of the plot,
the character development and plot are all over the place. Elba won't let Mako be a pilot because of her desire for "revenge" yet he hand-picked the lead character even though that character watched the Kaiju pull his brother out and eat him. A nuclear bomb has always bounced off the rift, yet they think a mech can somehow enter the rift by itself? How the hell would a newly born monster baby provide information on how the Kaiju enter and leave the rift? Lead character can safely enter a memory and talk to Mako yet Mako can't? How the fuck that mech landed safely is beyond me. And I still have no idea what was the great plan that was going to replace the Jäger movement to fight the Kaiju.

I don't know, maybe the story-related scenes were just so boring that I tuned out and that's what made plot "advances" so hard to follow.. but damn I would like it if some type of logical thinking wentinto the plot (even if it is a movie about mechs beating Kaiju up).

Hive mind
 

Soler

Banned
Haha, that's interesting. Maybe it's because I have been playing the masterpiece that is The Last of Us for a few weeks now and am still riding the high of the incredible voice acting/story/script, but I just couldn't stand what I was watching. It was painful, especially because it crossed that border into being so stupid that it wasn't even funny.

I'll most likely end up seeing it again with a bit more rest and a better mindset, and will hopefully enjoy at least the ending action sequences everybody seems to be hyping up.
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kurahador

Member
How was I supposed to feel about the giant robots, man? How was I supposed to feel at all? I can't feel without QTEs, artificial tragedy, gut-wrenching contrivances, and SERIOUS APOCALYPTIC MAGNITUDE OF SERIOUS SERIOUSNESS. Sure, The Last of Us was no less ridiculous than Pacific Rim, but tragedy is FOR ADULTS and action/adventure is for fucking children. You should be ashamed of yourself if you felt any enjoyment at something so juvenile.

0/10, shit movie, would not watch again, would not compare to Citizen Kane.

i recently tried rewatching the godfather, but after such highs of the last of us, the film was such a colossal let down.

As a gamer/nerds/what have you, I find these legit.
 

Future

Member
Great Scifi movies build a base in some type of reality that gets the audience to suspend belief and start believing or understanding the rules at play in that world. Not only does Pacific Rim gloss over that opportunity, but then introduces a very complex concept of connecting two brains as one to control a mech or to see the future through a Kaiju, yet doesn't even begin to explain how it works or what setbacks can come from such a setup. Therefore it is just there, and when something goes wrong or a plot point is introduced involving drifting, it holds little emotional weight with audience members and makes little sense. On top of a concept that is barely explained being a central part of the plot,
the character development and plot are all over the place. Elba won't let Mako be a pilot because of her desire for "revenge" yet he hand-picked the lead character even though that character watched the Kaiju pull his brother out and eat him. A nuclear bomb has always bounced off the rift, yet they think a mech can somehow enter the rift by itself? How the hell would a newly born monster baby provide information on how the Kaiju enter and leave the rift? Lead character can safely enter a memory and talk to Mako yet Mako can't? How the fuck that mech landed safely is beyond me. And I still have no idea what was the great plan that was going to replace the Jäger movement to fight the Kaiju.

I don't know, maybe the story-related scenes were just so boring that I tuned out and that's what made plot "advances" so hard to follow.. but damn I would like it if some type of logical thinking wentinto the plot (even if it is a movie about mechs beating Kaiju up).

Only part I agree on is the weak explanation for s
what would have replaced the giant robots. Canceling the program was just a motivator for the captain to get desperate, but they could have thought of something better. Elbo didn't let the chick be a pilot because of his fatherly feelings, which they explained in the movie. He hid behind the revenge lie so he didnt have to admit it. Mechs entering the rift was just a desperation solution that would have failed. Falling mech slowed his fall to a survivable land. New baby provided info because its a clone and is connected to the others, which is why the other monster found the scientist (2 way street)

But those are just small details IMO regardless. The fun of the movie doesn't require those explanations
 

Toxi

Banned
Great Scifi movies build a base in some type of reality that gets the audience to suspend belief and start believing or understanding the rules at play in that world. Not only does Pacific Rim gloss over that opportunity, but then introduces a very complex concept of connecting two brains as one to control a mech or to see the future through a Kaiju, yet doesn't even begin to explain how it works or what setbacks can come from such a setup.
It's a simple concept that's also one of the key concepts of the setting. It's like the Force from Star Wars. We just get told what the Force does in a very simple way and see more of it as the trilogy progresses. Explaining it more in-depth is unnecessary, halts the pacing, and any explanation for the mechanics would just be scientific bullshit. The drift system is similar; we get told its basics and we then see more of its flaws and quirks as the film progresses. Much like Luke doesn't need to be told "It strangles people, influences their actions, pushes things, pulls things, senses the deaths of people, etc. etc.", we don't need to all the issues with the drift system at the beginning of the movie.

Also, the characters never look into the future through a Kaiju. Not sure where you got that idea.

the character development and plot are all over the place. Elba won't let Mako be a pilot because of her desire for "revenge" yet he hand-picked the lead character even though that character watched the Kaiju pull his brother out and eat him.
Pentecost has spent his entire life watching over Mako. He knows her very well. He is als implied to be overprotective.
. The lead guy shows no lasting signs of trauma in comparison.

A nuclear bomb has always bounced off the rift, yet they think a mech can somehow enter the rift by itself?
From what I can tell,
they expected Striker Eureka to maneuver through the rift with more precision than a bomb, since it was piloted and the bomb was strapped to it.

It was also a last ditch effort. They were desperate.

How the hell would a newly born monster baby provide information on how the Kaiju enter and leave the rift?
They have
a hive mind
, remember?

Lead character can safely enter a memory and talk to Mako yet Mako can't?
Mako can't safely enter her memory because it's her memory, it has emotional significance and influences her. It has no significance to the lead character because this is all new to him.

How the fuck that mech landed safely is beyond me.
Rule of cool+very good engineering.

And I still have no idea what was the great plan that was going to replace the Jäger movement to fight the Kaiju.
As far as I can tell, conventional weapons supplanted by a really big wall.
 

Pop

Member
So should I see this in 3D or not?

I'm only asking because I never go see movies in 3D, I feel like it's just a waste. But I'm willing if the movie is right. This looks like the kind of movie to see in 3D.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I strongly disagree. Pacific Rim is very hard follow. Just because the movie was mostly shit blowing up doesn't change the fact that it throws a ton of complex ideas at you with very little explanation.

It is quite possible (even probable) I've overlooked posts from others, but you are quite literally the first and only person I've heard describe Pacific Rim's plot and structure, of all things, as "very hard to follow" and loaded with "complex ideas". Moreso, responses I've been exposed to have stated the exact opposite: the film is extremely simple, cohesive, and easy to follow.
 

Daingurse

Member
It's okay for people to not like the film, but the complaints I'm hearing just don't compute. I don't think some people realized what this was going to be, a fucking Kaiju movie. I love Kaiju movies, but plot, character development, dialogue, these are generally shit in most of the Kaiju movies I've seen lol. I loved Godzilla growing up and that's the kinda feels I got from this film, just goofy stupid fun. Hopefully Godzilla 2014 will give me the gritty dark Kaiju film I've been craving though, more along the lines of Gojira or Godzilla 1984, but Pacific Rim? Reeked of Showa era Godzilla and I fucking adored it.

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Edit: Lol, didn't even realize this was a "haters gon hate gif", that just makes it perfect!
 

Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
It is quite possible (even probable) I've overlooked posts from others, but you are quite literally the first and only person I've heard describe Pacific Rim's plot and structure, of all things, as "very hard to follow" and loaded with "complex ideas". Moreso, responses I've been exposed to have stated the exact opposite: the film is extremely simple, cohesive, and easy to follow.

Simple in plot development and structure, yes.

They just happen to gloss over the complex ideas presented within the movie in the first five minutes and then expect to audience member to somehow make a logical connection of everything going on by making their own ideas of how it all works.

Example: Government shuts down Jäger movement, starts other unknown plan to stop Kaiju, yet somehow Jäger gets nuke 6 months later and is dropping it in the rift. I know they said 8 month of funding, but that was specifically for defense in Tokyo, not an attack on on the rift.

No logical route from point A to point B. That is hard to follow if you actually give a damn to figure out how those chain of events happened. But I think that's the problem, not many other people give a damn, they just watched for the fights (correctly I might add) lol.
 
Simple in plot development and structure, yes.

They just happen to gloss over the complex ideas presented within the movie in the first five minutes and then expect to audience member to somehow make a logical connection of everything going on by making their own ideas of how it all works.

Example: Government shuts down Jäger movement, starts other unknown plan to stop Kaiju, yet somehow Jäger gets nuke 6 months later and is dropping it in the rift. I know they said 8 month of funding, but that was specifically for defense in Tokyo, not an attack on on the rift.

No logical route from point A to point B. That is hard to follow if you actually give a damn to figure out how those chain of events happened. But I think that's the problem, not many other people give a damn, they just watched for the fights (correctly I might add) lol.

Uh,
they say outright that the Russians can get them anything they want.
Like a character literally asks the question you ask in your spoiler tag.
 
It's okay for people to not like the film, but the complaints I'm hearing just don't compute. I don't think some people realized what this was going to be, a fucking Kaiju movie. I love Kaiju movies, but plot, character development, dialogue, these are generally shit in most of the Kaiju movies I've seen lol. I loved Godzilla growing up and that's the kinda feels I got from this film, just goofy stupid fun. Hopefully Godzilla 2014 will give me the gritty dark Kaiju film I've been craving though, more along the lines of Gojira or Godzilla 1984, but Pacific Rim? Reeked of Showa era Godzilla and I fucking adored it.

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Edit: Lol, didn't even realize this was a "haters gon hate gif", that just makes it perfect!
fuck yes. This guy gets it
 

Mr. Sam

Member
So should I see this in 3D or not?

I'm only asking because I never go see movies in 3D, I feel like it's just a waste. But I'm willing if the movie is right. This looks like the kind of movie to see in 3D.

The rule I have is "filmed in 3D, watch in 3D." This wasn't filmed in 3D. However, the majority of action scenes are nearly entirely CGI and have been treated in such a way that the 3D in them is pretty much "native." So, really, personal preference.
 

Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Uh,
they say outright that the Russians can get them anything they want.
Like a character literally asks the question you ask in your spoiler tag.

Im aware of that but the government doesn't try to stop them? The nation has banded together to fight against the Kaiju, yet this huge movement by the Jäger using a nuke (a program that the nation's government recently stopped) is just going to sit by and twiddle their thumbs while this is going on?
 

Mariolee

Member
Im aware of that
but the government doesn't try to stop them? The nation has banded together to fight against the Kaiju, yet this huge movement by the Jäger using a nuke (a program that the nation's government recently stopped) is just going to sit by and twiddle their thumbs while this is going on?

Maybe Russia didn't consult with the U.N. and decided to join the resistance. The countries in this film are more caricatures of themselves, and since Russia is known for their firepower, of course the country wouldn't mind giving it out to the resistance.
 
Skiesofwonder said:
A nuclear bomb has always bounced off the rift, yet they think a mech can somehow enter the rift by itself?[

They said with the rush of monsters coming through, they believed that the portal would remain open for them to travel through.
 

Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Maybe Russia didn't consult with the U.N. and decided to join the resistance. The countries in this film are more caricatures of themselves, and since Russia is known for their firepower, of course the country wouldn't mind giving it out to the resistance.

See this is a the type of huge stretch that needs to be made to even make sense of some of the plot choices in Pacific Rim. I'm not trying to say that isn't possible
but all that needed to be done was a simple explanation given of why the government didn't object the Jäger nuke plan, or even a mention of what the hell they were doing to stop this high threat of the Kaiju. It felt like the only ones fighting them were the Jäger. The script was just so lazily written.

Can we just agree that the plot was horrible? It's 4:00 AM here and I'm running on two Energy drinks (had a exam at 9 AM yesterday). Maybe convulted wasn't the best choice of words to describe the plot, my bad.

All I know is that coming off of Hellboy 1 and 2, Pacific Rim is a disappointment. And let us not even mention Pans Labyrinth.
 

kurahador

Member
So should I see this in 3D or not?

I'm only asking because I never go see movies in 3D, I feel like it's just a waste. But I'm willing if the movie is right. This looks like the kind of movie to see in 3D.

If you one of those who love to see the fights to the smallest detail, I'd advise against it.

I find this movie to be one of the better 3D movies so far, but the usual shortcomings of 3D converted movie will annoy you. I'd wait for How To Train Your Dragon 2 to experience 3D for the first time.

All I know is that coming off of Hellboy 1 and 2, Pacific Rim is a disappointment. And let us not even mention Pans Labyrinth.

I think that was more of a script problem, PR was written by a writer of Clash Of The Titan after all.

But most ppl who love the movie willing look past them because it works in premise of the movie---a b-grade monster movie.
 

Daingurse

Member
They said with the rush of monsters coming through, they believed that the portal would remain open for them to travel through.

It's funny, it was a complete gambit based on conjecture. It reeked of desperation because they were desperate, hell their plan was NOT going to work. If not for Charlie Day's character being a reckless nut, mankind would have gotten wiped out.
 

Mariolee

Member
See this is a the type of huge stretch that needs to be made to even make sense of some of the plot choices in Pacific Rim. I'm not trying to say that isn't possible
but all that needed to be done was a simple explanation given of why the government didn't object the Jäger nuke plan, or even a mention of what the hell they were doing to stop this high threat of the Kaiju. It felt like the only ones fighting them were the Jäger. The script was just so lazily written.

Can we just agree that the plot was horrible? It's 4:00 AM here and I'm running on two Energy drinks (had a exam at 9 AM yesterday). Maybe convulted wasn't the best choice of words to describe the plot, my bad.

All I know is that coming off of Hellboy 1 and 2, Pacific Rim is a disappointment. And let us not even mention Pans Labyrinth.

The UN didn't know about the nuke plan. Their current plan of defense were the walls. It's literally all in the movie.

Plot was perfect for this kind of movie. I loved it.
 
I can overlook a terrible script and bad plot but not when it makes up such a huge chunk of the film. Some of the excuses for this films plot read very similar as the same excuses used for the transformers film. It's supposed to be cheesy and bad! Don't worry that it takes up the majority of the screen time.
 

Daingurse

Member
I can overlook a terrible script and bad plot but not when it makes up such a huge chunk of the film. Some of the excuses for this films plot read very similar as the same excuses used for the transformers film. It's supposed to be cheesy and bad! Don't worry that it takes up the majority of the screen time.

Almost every Godzilla film is filled with tons of badly written human bullshit before you get to the action. Does that excuse Pacific Rim? Not necessarily, but this shit is status quo for the genre with few exceptions (Gamera trilogy for example is excellent in-general, and the original Gojira of course), so it didn't bother me much.
 

Phoenix

Member
The UN didn't know about the nuke plan. Their current plan of defense were the walls. It's literally all in the movie.

Plot was perfect for this kind of movie. I loved it.

I certainly wouldn't call it perfect, but it was certainly enough to hold everything together and give everyone a reason for doing what they did. Its not GREAT writing by any stretch, but it builds its universe and doesn't violate its own rules like so so sooooo many other movies this summer and as a result it pretty much works.

Its a decent action/adventure "monster" movie plot that works well enough such that people don't really focus on it.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Just got back. Holy shit was it dumb, but HOLY SHIT was it the funnest movie I've seen in a good long while.

Fucking
"FOR MY FAMILY" and the goddamn giant mech sword
had me fucking cheering...
 
Oh wow dat cheese! Was an awesome movie to watch with peeps and was surprised at how much my girlfriend loved it. We all laughed at the silly lines and whatnot, but it was self-aware and that's what made it really enjoyable. It was truly dumb fun and the IMAX 3D was spectacular!

Just got back. Holy shit was it dumb, but HOLY SHIT was it the funnest movie I've seen in a good long while.

Fucking
"FOR MY FAMILY" and the goddamn giant mech sword
had me fucking cheering...

We were dead during that scene xD
 

HoodWinked

Member
What a fun movie, dialog was atrocious tho :p

saw it in the imax3D

#1 dont you ever touch me again, #2 dont you ever touch me again
 

Tookay

Member
Honestly, I thought this movie was terrible.

I love a cheesy B-movie like anybody else (see: my love for F&F) but this was overly long, poorly-paced, and just ill-conceived with some of its character dynamics. You can't simultaneously make a film this retarded in cliched motivations and simplistic dialogue and then fill 70% of it with that.
 
firstly, I'm a little drunk right now.

Secondly, this was the best movie I have ever seen, and anyone who says otherwise can go to hell. Goddamn thank you, Guillermo del Toro. I love you.
.amen.
 

RobbieNick

Junior Member
I love how people complaining about the plot are not paying attention to it. Almost every complaint was actually explained in the movie.
 
If ANYBODY can bail me out with a poster, I would be MUCH OBLIGED.

The theatre I went to had them but I didn't see them (they weren't handing them out). I told my wife that I guessed they only had them for the midnight showing (I saw it this morning) and she was all, "oh I saw a stack of them. I didn't know you wanted one."


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



So if anybody can please please PLEASE help me out, I would be forever grateful!
 

Keikaku

Member
Just got back from seeing it. Yup, this was exactly what I expected it to be-big, dumb, ridiculous fun.

MARKED SPOILERS
Parts I loved
  • Ron Perlman's character with his shoes, butterfly knife and his over the top nature.
  • The two crazy scientists/comic relief.
  • When that Kaiju loses it's tail and freaking transforms into the flying version of itself!!!
  • The bit with the Newton Balls. Had us all rolling in the theater.
  • "For my family!" *Sword time!*
  • The underwater nuclear blast being so powerful that it creates a temporary pocket of empty space...at the bottom of the freaking ocean.
  • The soundtrack! The main theme/riff was so 80's reminiscent. So good! This track in particular is ace.
  • The CG. Unlike Transformers, everything looked like it weighed a lot and when Kaiju's and Jaegers were hitting each other, it really felt like there was astronomical power behind them.
  • Color! Color everywhere and it was used really well!
  • This was a goddamned Godzilla/Power Rangers mashup on an epic scale. I expected nothing else from it and it delivered!
  • It breezed through everything really fast

Parts I didn't like
  • A few less cliches would have been nice.
  • The final fight was a bit underwhelming. The monster design wasn't great compared to the Hong Kong fight and the setting overall was too dark. I really wanted a full length daytime fight scene.
  • Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon got gypped out of proper fight scenes. I really wanted to see them kick ass. Stacker mentions how Crimson Typhoon has been holding Honk Kong by itself and how Cherno Alpha was one of the originals and a legend in it's own right. Then they died like chumps :(
  • Now I'm wondering how fucking cool a "hard sci-fi" take on the Kaiju/Jaeger thing would be-maybe even as a trilogy!
  • Now I'm sad because we'll probably never see that :(
 
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