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He should really have gone full Lovecraftian across the portal. Total waste of potentially orgasmic visual awesomeness at the climax.
Banana Kid
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Why didn't they just use the sword on everything all the time? It seemed super effective! Why would you waste most of the movie punching monsters and throwing them into the ocean (which seems like a COMPLETE waste of time) when you could just slice them up and be done with it?
the actress is Ashida Mana http://www.google.ca/#output=search...08,d.aWM&fp=4d676b702d19680b&biw=1366&bih=667
i immediately recognised the street on which that scene was shot. Pacific Rim was filmed in Toronto at Pinewood Studios as well as among the streets of downtown in late 2011 and into 2012. and, it was, peculiar for me to see Toronto's Chinatown stand in for a slum in Hong Kong
TheKaeptain
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Who says otherwise?
Well - the "wall" had some pretty epic guns on it and failed, I get the impression they really need some blunt force trauma to kill them. At the start didn't it say it took them 4 days to kill a class 1 with tanks/planes?
Kaiju blue, ie. kaiju blood is horribly toxic. Most Jaeger weapons are designed to mitigate its exposure by using pure blunt force trauma or weapons that cauterize wounds. I don't know if this was explained in the movie (I missed the first few minutes), but it is explained in the comic. Jaeger's were built to minimize collateral damage caused to the city that conventional weapons and nukes inherently caused. I guess a sword would be like a final option, because Kaiju blood fucks up the environment big time. Sword should be super heated so it can cauterize wounds
In the comic they ended up nuking him. In-fact before Jaeger's the strategy seemed to be to lure the Kaiju away from populated areas so they could be nuked.
it wouldn't surprise me if del Toro's directors cut was 3+ hours long. the studio executives probably told him to cut the film down to its present 2:12 run time.
perhaps the Blu-ray release of Pacific Rim will have many, many hours of supplementary material.
Napoleonthechimp
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I enjoyed it but the trailers spoiled me too much.
The most "oh shit" moment for me was when that one Kaiju sprouted wings and took off.
The most "oh shit" moment for me was when that one Kaiju sprouted wings and took off.
It was briefly explained in the first few minutes of the movie albeit not to much detail.Kaiju blue, ie. kaiju blood is horribly toxic. Most Jaeger weapons are designed to mitigate the exposure it by using pure blunt force or weapons that cauterize wounds. I don't know if this was explained in the movie (I missed the first few minutes), but it is explained in the comic. Jaeger's were built to minimize collateral damage caused to the city that collateral weapons and nukes inherently caused. I guess a sword would be like a final option, because Kaiju blood fucks up the environment big time. Sword should be super heated so it can cauterize wounds
Yep, it was classic Godzilla. Aliens using giant monsters as weapons of mass destruction. If we ever got a sequel, we'd have Mecha-Kaiju ala Mechagodzilla guaranteed lol. I have to admit that Category 5 kinda dissapointed me:
yeah i was expecting a epic fight with it but it kinda ....meh-maybe it was because of budget reasons?
yes. the toxicity levels of kaiju blood was mentioned within the first five minutes of the film.
Well, the underwater setting kinda killed it. The collateral damage is half the fun (and impact) of big giant mecha battles.
That would be so awesome
You know, they really should have had both Gipsy Danger and the Kaiju fall through the portal together without either dying. Then set the final battle on the alien world showing the aliens how a Jaeger can tear a Kaiju apart, before setting the self-destruct and bailing out. THAT would have been an amazing climax. >_<
yeah i wanted more! more! i am sure it ran through their minds.
I like the way you think.
They probably didn't have the money for that
There's also this lol. I don't even want to think about how much money the action scenes cost.
They probably didn't have the money for that
Could have cut like 5 minutes from the underwater fights to save money. We couldn't see jack shit anyway.
Could have cut like 5 minutes from the underwater fights to save money. We couldn't see jack shit anyway.
it was still cool though *huffin and puffin*
Of course the plot is filler. It's just a skeleton to hang the action scenes on: Why do I care about these people? They're soldiers trying to save the world from an alien force. One lost a brother, the other her family. Scientists do silly stuff to move the plot along. Check. Robots, fight!
They purposely didn't make it like The Dark Knight (and thank God for that).
Could have cut like 5 minutes from the underwater fights to save money. We couldn't see jack shit anyway.
Yeah. That one Kaiju that looked like an alligator took maybe five seconds to kill, anyway. It just spent the entire fight swimming around and looking menacing until it got fucking wrecked by Gipsy Danger. That thing should have been cut and there should have been a more direct fight with Slattern. On land, because the ocean fights were kind of limiting seeing as the Kajiu can swim and the Jaegers can't.
Could have cut like 5 minutes from the underwater fights to save money. We couldn't see jack shit anyway.
I doubt the underwater fight cost all that much, it was probably a nice chunk of change but I doubt it would have translated into a fight on the alien world.
Watching that thing get wrecked was awesome as shit though. My whole theater just went "oh shit" in unison.
Phoenix
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This scene was kind of heartbreaking to watch, the actress who played young Mako really did an amazing job. Hearing her cry just got to me a little for some reason. When Mako was having that flashback it really felt like the movie was coming together with that character insight.
That whole scene was live action anime in a way never before witnessed on American shores.
Spike Spiegel
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*pictures Cherno chugging along like a running back, shrugging off kaiju tackles on its way to the Rift*
...Maybe.
timetokill
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This is the answer to most questions in the movie as to "why did they do ______?"
Questions like "why do they say things out loud when they're in each other's heads?" are silly questions to ask. They do it because WE as the audience are not in their heads. Those lines can be used to set up anticipation, explain what's going on if something is confusing, etc. And it allows for some cool lines/moments as well.
In animes and shit with these sorts of things the characters (even in solo mechs) talk to themselves all the time. It's a useful tool for the audience.
Also, I find it funny that I see so many aussies complaining about non-aussies playing aussies, when the lead character is a British guy playing an American
What an awful awful movie, I'm shocked so many people like it. Nerd love runs strong I guess. One review stating people who love this should be banned from criticizing Hayden Christensen, Shia Lebouf. Pretty much agree, the performances in this are embarrassing, which I'm starting to guess had to be the point? Or especially those who make fun of Avatar should be forced to drop it, as that movie's a clear inspiration but well executed, exciting visuals, and global in its appeal in every way that this isn't. Personally I'd still like to root for the characters, but the executions and development of every character and plot point was so.. bad. From the first time they realize they had "drift compatibility, to the wacky scientists, to unreal comedic mis-hits in "does he have a pulse", shooting flares, or Perlman's death scene.
Keep in mind, I went in blank, only knowing visuals looked cool, and trying to wrap my head around this. I know this is some people's idea of fun, but at least put someone of RDJ's level of witty to deliver the comedy and I might be a lot more down for the ride. The characters in this are just so unlikable. They all get too much screen time, and "fitting" sendoffs none of them deserved, The main characters have story lines or developing crises of character just dropped, after already not being set up that well.
It would still all be fine and good if the fights were better than they were. This movie desperately needed to pull their camera out. Made enjoying and following the fights often times a futile effort. Yet, for what it's worth, I still laughed a shit load and enjoyed it with a group of friends - but it was the giant leaps in logic and ridiculousness of seeing that much money blown on screen that really did it for us.
Maybe the only scene I thought was actually well done in the film. But part two of it, when its revealed who was in the jaeger. Raleigh's out of drift with Mako, when the story finishes, but audiences get brought back to see Stacker step out of the jaeger. Is that Raleigh just very vividly hearing Stacker explain to him what happens next in his room, or... ? I didn't get that.
Keep in mind, I went in blank, only knowing visuals looked cool, and trying to wrap my head around this. I know this is some people's idea of fun, but at least put someone of RDJ's level of witty to deliver the comedy and I might be a lot more down for the ride. The characters in this are just so unlikable. They all get too much screen time, and "fitting" sendoffs none of them deserved, The main characters have story lines or developing crises of character just dropped, after already not being set up that well.
It would still all be fine and good if the fights were better than they were. This movie desperately needed to pull their camera out. Made enjoying and following the fights often times a futile effort. Yet, for what it's worth, I still laughed a shit load and enjoyed it with a group of friends - but it was the giant leaps in logic and ridiculousness of seeing that much money blown on screen that really did it for us.
Maybe the only scene I thought was actually well done in the film. But part two of it, when its revealed who was in the jaeger. Raleigh's out of drift with Mako, when the story finishes, but audiences get brought back to see Stacker step out of the jaeger. Is that Raleigh just very vividly hearing Stacker explain to him what happens next in his room, or... ? I didn't get that.
TheKaeptain
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It's them showing what Raleigh saw. Remember they see everything when they drift.
No, that was what was happening inside the drift while everyone was freaking out about Gipsy Danger killing everyone.
That's exactly what I expected to happen. I also expected another solo pilot combat sequence. Like Raleigh ejecting Mako and needing to take out one final Kaiju solo. Either that or Elba soloing Striker.
Because my enjoyment was primarily bad story telling, and that will have me shaking my head and walking away if I ever see it on blu-ray again. Monster fights, the "cool moments, the characters... the type of stuff that would keep me coming back to watch a movie again or that I remember a movie by. Not of that hit for me.
Did he forget that he saw it then, because Stacker's snapping on him "No, you don't understand". Maybe he just didn't focus hard enough on who stepped out of the jaeger in Mako's memory, but it was still there to think back on?
Rodney McKay
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I have no idea what people's problems were with the characters. I thought they were simple and nothing more than they needed to be.
Hammy? Sure. Cliche? You bet your ass it is! Poor acting? Didn't see that at all.
The actors fit with the dialog and made it work, as apposed to Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor trying to vomit out George Lucas' script.
Ron Perlman was the only one that felt a little off and I think that was only because of the stupid grills they gave him that made him sound funny.
Hammy? Sure. Cliche? You bet your ass it is! Poor acting? Didn't see that at all.
The actors fit with the dialog and made it work, as apposed to Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor trying to vomit out George Lucas' script.
Ron Perlman was the only one that felt a little off and I think that was only because of the stupid grills they gave him that made him sound funny.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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This scene was kind of heartbreaking to watch, the actress who played young Mako really did an amazing job. Hearing her cry just got to me a little for some reason. When Mako was having that flashback it really felt like the movie was coming together with that character insight.
Yep. This scene is when the movie started clicking for me.
I get that I guess. Just that there are movies out there like sucker punch and Prometheus that are truly awful. This movie was paced better and was way more entertaining than those to me, but it fully embraced a campy goofy vibe that ya have to like
timetokill
Banned
He didn't forget. Stacker is trying to say "just because you saw it, doesn't mean you understand" meanwhile they cut the memory in half so that the fact that Stacker was in the jaeger would be a "surprise/reveal" moment after that dialogue and not before.
The One Who Knocks
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I'm not sure what the bolded is meant to imply but the problem Tookay is citing (that I feel very similar about) is that the skeleton is a colossus'; it lasts for an extremely long time and is of a consistently low quality (obviously others do not feel as such however). The action scenes that occur are not long enough to justify just how much filler there is (despite the action scenes being mostly excellent, Hong Kong being a stand out) and this filler drags down the pace of the movie to a standstill due to the lack of entertainment it provides. If the plot (or script; preferably both) had been drastically improved, this problem wouldn't occur as the momentum could be carried and the movie could have continued to entertain despite the lack of action. Obviously for some people, this did happen (the filler was not enough to impact the fun of the action) but for myself (and Tookay too seemingly) it helped zap the entertainment from the movie. It is difficult to accept the proposal that the plot of Pacific Rim was meant to be completely disregarded since so much of the movie is comprised of this terrible plot. Yes, the battle scenes were always going to be the highlight of the movie but a decent plot (or, alternatively if the plot was taken less seriously which I actually feel was the intent but if this indeed the case the actors combined with the amount of the film focused upon the plot, didn't sell this), regardless of its complexity, assisted by a good script would have greatly benefitted the movie. If they weren't intending to make much of an effort on the plot, I feel they should have cut the filler down drastically and made the movie to accomodate this.
This.
Yup.
Big O vs. Big Duo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg3mSqyz30s
Dorothy, an android character on the show, even asks Roger why he spouts catchphrases out loud.
*The Bigs fight a lot like Jaegers, with the same weight and heft in attacks.
Wanted to address something. A few pages earlier there was an argument on why they bothered trying to send a Jaeger in when they already knew nothing could get through, and a couple of other variations of this argument on why it wasn't done sooner.
Explanation: Hermann Gottlieb (Brit scientist) had just presented his new discoveries on the increasing and predictable pattern of attacks, the fact that the portal only opened briefly after the Kaiju's arrival, and that it was staying open longer to allow bigger and increasing number of monsters through (double, and triple "events"). The knowledge and window of opportunity to counteract was a new thing.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Yep.
We have to remember we see him save the girl but at what cost? I think that is what he meant by saying "You don't understand?" Later on in the film we find out that his co-pilot was dead and he was controlling the Jaeger by himself. So saving Mako was really special to him.
The first thing my brother told me during the movie was: Mako is just so anime. It held true for the whole thing.
Razgriz-Specter
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When we first saw the head design I was disappointed, same for the full body but very slowly I realized I liked the design. Then we get to the movie and it just has so much character without talking or even being sentient. the way it walked, the horn, the theme.
Gypsy became my 2nd favorite mech from anything.
Napoleonthechimp
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I thought this was obvious.
I think it comes down to believability of what the characters say, and their development with the plot. Avatar's Jake Sully changes in a much more logical way than Raleigh moving on from his brothers death, finding a new connection, and fighting for something. All that feels like they're telling us its happening, but we don't see it and sequences don't add up to that development happening on screen. Meanwhile, Sully you might roll your eyes, but you can get behind "he's learning his avatar body, Neytiri is skeptical of him, he wins her over, he only cares about protecting the tribe now and stopping the invasion, he's been accepted".
Raleigh you get what's happening to him through references to other films. "Raleigh works construction while thinking about his past, Raleigh is found by black guy who snaps on him, Raleigh tells us Mako is making faces at him and doubts him, they fight, Raleigh runs to her door yelling about the connection they just felt". Classic telling an audience vs. showing an audience. I don't see how people can complain about Avatar, and be totally fine with this, when that was obviously a lot of the same wish fulfillment, story for the sake of cool visuals and scifi/anime-ish worlds. Yet somehow ripping from "pocahontas" or "dance with wolves" or "ferngully" is more disgraceful than all of the films that Pacific Rim takes from??
I'm reminded a lot of the Matrix, which is still the most perfect anime-inspired mainstream Hollywood film, and wish Pacific Rim would even get within the same stratosphere as Neo vs. Morpheus training sequence - where you're just marking out as a fan of how cool the moment is. Mako vs Raleigh in comparison is just so lame, on top of making us feel nothing about some connection or change about each other they felt until Raleigh runs to her door to say it.
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