If only it weren't Zimmerman and instead an actual police officer. Trayvon would probably still be alive.
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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty
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If only it weren't Zimmerman and instead an actual police officer. Trayvon would probably still be alive.
It's not illegal if you don't kill someone in the process due to incompetence but one should be liable for their actions in some way after the fact.
Just come out and say Zimmerman fucked up by following and ignoring dispatch. It wasn't illegal but he damn sure escalated the situation. Its been repeated so many times, yet we keep going in circles.
Okay, How was he supposed to know it was a kid?
Saw this coming a mile away but my family didn't believe me. There wasn't enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not acting in self defense. Justice system worked in that regard. He's still a piece of shit though. I won't say that if the races were reversed, the trial would be different because there's no solid evidence to back that up.
In unrelated news, as a black 22 year old, I'm never going to go live in Florida, fuck that.
In unrelated news, as a black 22 year old, I'm never going to go live in Florida, fuck that.
I'm sure all things being equal if Trayvon was light skinned and George Zimmerman were a black man events would have unfolded in an identical manner.
I understand why people are upset, but this was the right verdict, based on the evidence. It's absolutely a terrible situation and it's difficult for anyone to know what truly happened, but the witness testimony indicating that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that Zimmerman was the one screaming for help on the 911 call, was enough to create reasonable doubt.
Again, I understand why people are upset and angry at Zimmerman, but this isn't an example of the justice system failing. The evidence was enough to create doubt and the appropriate response to doubt is a not guilty verdict.
Again, I understand why people are upset and angry at Zimmerman, but this isn't an example of the justice system failing. The evidence was enough to create doubt and the appropriate response to doubt is a not guilty verdict.
IrishNinja
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sure, if you ignore all the rebuttals, and its author walking it back, it sure is something
oh man it's really hard not to put another can of worms in this can of worms and start a capital punishment debate here but i'm cool
honestly, do you think this garbage is helpful? you literally just got done staying this was a smart place, and you post needlessly hostile nonsense like this, adding nothing.
doubling down with ad hominem, man you're on a roll here
Angelus Errare
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lmao.
SRTtoZ
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I dont think anyone is saying its okay with a smile. I at least UNDERSTAND why Zim followed him whether I agree with him or not. I think hes a total asshole wannabe cop who was a tough guy for having a gun strapped to his hip but I am not going to pretend he followed him for no reason. He thought TM was someone he wasn't, he made a HUGE mistake and in the end didn't pay for it because of lack of evidence. He's a scumbag and is going to have to suffer by looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.
FreedomFighter
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I haven't read through the thread...
But it's open season on young, Black youth when they can be blatantly profiled, followed, then shot, and the shooter is acquitted.
I thought Zimmerman would atleast get manslaughter but to be acquitted of absolutely everything is just terrible.
But it's open season on young, Black youth when they can be blatantly profiled, followed, then shot, and the shooter is acquitted.
I thought Zimmerman would atleast get manslaughter but to be acquitted of absolutely everything is just terrible.
Kinky John
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Casimir's been doing some good work in this thread.
Lysander518
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Look dude, I never fsaid that. We've already been over the fact that your assuming too much. I can't argue with you if you are going to keep putting words into my mouth. I understand why pride movements form. I don't agree with their tactics and I think that they can become a replacement for actual self-esteem. Can I prove either thing? No. Can we have a civil discussion in which we discuss our different philosophies without assuming the others position? Hopefully. I'm about to go to bed so I may or may not get back to you or anyone else but feel free to respond.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Oh wait we got another "call them a kid" in this thread because I don't want to hear what they are saying. Nope your not going to undermine/disregard my opinion by calling me a child. If anything I am a little disappointed you couldn't think of something more original.
Also for those who weren't here the irony of that post was when ninjakixx told satch she was a child for cursing and now a poster who is cursing says I am a child for noting their foul language.
This is kind of what I've been trying to say.
Lysander518
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Thanks for the argument. It was intellectually stimulating. I really wish that everyone could come up with challenging arguments such as this.
yeah you did. You're trying to change what you've said a little with each post but you kinda did lol.
You do?
This is the shit I'm talking about.
I'm not assuming your position. You're simply not aware of what your position actually means.
Ok, so this seems like its been going on for a really long time, and I dont know if I'll anything that hasn't already been said,but Ill try.
So I understand what you're saying. Taking pride in having a some extra melanin, or two X chromosomes is kind of a strange concept on a superficial level. The achievements of other African Americans has nothing to do with me, so why should I be proud? I should be proud of my own actions and want to progress because I want it, not because of some artificial ties to people I know nothing about.
BUT, I think the biggest problem with the logic (not you) is that it ignores the social climate. African Americans have been put down as a group. Told they were ugly as a group. Told they were stupid, cant achieve, were inferior. Black was ugly and useless. People wanted to be something else, anything else to escape that. But to counter that, pride in ones race arose. Black became beautiful and strong and something to be proud of. It was necessarily to take pride in your race, because everyone was telling you it was the worst thing to be. Of course it functioned on an individual level. Individuals were tired of feeling that way, so they took pride in their own hair and skin and features, but that's hard to do alone, when everyone is hating on you. Plus, when you and all your family and friends are being persecuted for the same thing, something that ties you all together and makes you the same, it becomes a group pride. A pride in ones race and culture.
. People have pride in their ethnicity because its not really as superficial as just skin tone. Its not like left hand pride or right hand pride, it comes with serious social implications. Being black was and still carries a slew of challenges. To be proud of a black doctor or physicist or poet is an extension of yourself. You see people struggling like you, making progress and overcoming. They become role models for you and for the future of your race.
Because TM wouldn't have attacked an actual police officer? I can buy that,
Lysander518
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Why?
I really think that you have no more perspective, but saying that I lack perspective makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Its all you should get honestly.
Explain to anyone how in the fuck Blacks, Gays, Irish, Native Americans, or any large group that was done a disservice by greater society got ANYTHING based on movement through individuality?
I think everyone would love to hear it.
Yep. Who's gonna put you more on edge? A uniformed police officer or some random dude with a gun?
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I do have a lot of perspective.....
So let me say it. You do in fact lack perspective.
Pseudo_Sam
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It's not needless. Too many people think their gut feelings are paramount to the findings of a jury after a thorough criminal investigation/trial. Sorry if I offended you, but vulgar language and sarcasm absolutely have their place in civilized discussion, especially in the context of an open forum such as this. I think that my point was pretty clear, and that's all that really matters.
Or an actual officer would have identified himself and diffused a situation.
I don't know if this came up yet, but George Takei posted this article today.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
Angelus Errare
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I don't argue with stupidity, it's beneath me. I mean you think black people being "individualistic" will stop others from judging and persecuting them based on their skin color....yea okaaaay.
IrishNinja
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ironically, if an officer likewise would've stepped outside the law/his position and endangered TM, he would've likely fought back & been killed, yes - it's certainly not without precedent
only there'd likely be less of a defense force i'd imagine...i could be wrong about that as well though
I think its a perfectly mature thing to take a rest because as of right now there's not much room for understanding your point when you posture that someone taking pride in the minority they identify is a self-esteem issue.
(sigh)
Maninthemirror
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The guest on CNN was spot on. The Jury didnt find that Zimmerman was innocent. They found out he wasnt guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on the fact that there were no credible witnesses or testimonies. People need to accept that
SRTtoZ
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And its been explained that her defense was 'warning shots' but what the investigation showed was attempted murder where the bullet(s) deflected and went through the ceiling.
People keep talking about a jury.
But I now know that someone can follow me from a store in the middle of the night through a neighborhood that I do have business being in - and when I tell them to kiss my ass and we get into it (God help me if its in a hard to see area) - I can get shot and killed.
Legally.
Who gives a fuck if I ever felt threatened? It won't matter because I'll be dead.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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lolwut
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Its funny you argue how peoples POV doesn't matter in discussing this case on this forum and then immediately (in the same post in fact) say your point does matter and that is all that counts....
But I don't want to continue with this talking point its derailing the thread...., and that's all that counts
googleplex
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The Justice system DID NOT work...at all! Partially due to Florida's fucked up laws.
Mods should restrict him to only post in the Community forums.
SRTtoZ
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I wonder if Zimmerman would have been brave enough to confront TM without a gun strapped to his hip. I also wonder if when TM was on top of him beating the living daylights out of him, he thought to himself, hmm I better shoot this guy before he sees my gun and shoots me. I'm not really sure how I feel about normal citizens being able to carry a gun out freely like they are in the wild west. Sorry these are just thoughts going through my head right now.
googleplex
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People sure as fuck don't have to accept injustice.
freenudemacusers
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The Faceless Master
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Fashion is a very individualistic field, he'd be perfect in the Men's Fashion thread.
I feel like your blaming trayvon for fighting a strange man who was stalking him at night..
A cop would have a uniform or a badge or a marked car....or clearly identified themselves..I don't know...things that would have hopefully avoided this whole situation
Platinum_D
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what really surprised me is that he was found not guilty on anything at all he walked freely
Most likely not...And if he did approach Martin, I bet his language towards him would have been a lot less confrontational.
Pretty sure that's what he said to the cops
You know, right after they never got around to properly questioning him or ID'ing the dead kid in the lawn - or finding out who the dead kid's parents were.
Honestly
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