I have no idea what this is, but I would pay large quantities of cash monies to see this style realised on the Vita screen.
But I don't like Kickstarter. Conflict!
Well Sony are looking into supporting Kickstarter so you never know!
Vita PSN Game & Service Thread | July 2013 | Slow Month, Fast Games
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Well Sony are looking into supporting Kickstarter so you never know!
honest question here... why are all indie games 2d and rely on artsy/whimsical style?
In the past i have probably seemed against indie games but the truth is im not... i just need more diversity
how many fully 3d indie games are on the vita? almost all are 2d and incorporate some style of platforming / adventuring
why hasnt someone made an indie FPS? doesnt even have to be true 3d it could be a doom/duke 3d style game for all i care
why has no one made a 3d racing game? i dont expect Forza 5 graphics here, im sure on a reasonable budget 3d is not very expensive... it can look like Daytona usa for all i care, as a matter of fact, that would be awesome!
In the past i have probably seemed against indie games but the truth is im not... i just need more diversity
how many fully 3d indie games are on the vita? almost all are 2d and incorporate some style of platforming / adventuring
why hasnt someone made an indie FPS? doesnt even have to be true 3d it could be a doom/duke 3d style game for all i care
why has no one made a 3d racing game? i dont expect Forza 5 graphics here, im sure on a reasonable budget 3d is not very expensive... it can look like Daytona usa for all i care, as a matter of fact, that would be awesome!
Eternal Gamer
Member
Well I said I would like the IOS version of XCOM because I think would be easier to port than the PS3 version.
But anyway, I Frozen Synapse will fill my wish for a tactical game.
Edit. I also would like to see the Layton Brothers game on Vita ,but that one is a long shot.
But anyway, I Frozen Synapse will fill my wish for a tactical game.
Edit. I also would like to see the Layton Brothers game on Vita ,but that one is a long shot.
I'll try and address this sort of thing in a second post about games for the Vita - but you're wrong - those games have been made, and are being made.
Also google Project Cars
Interfectum
Member
Short answer: 2D graphics are easier than 3D graphics. A competent indie programmer can make a full game from start to finish using "programmer art" and then outsource the sprites to an artist to fix them up at a reasonable cost.
When you enter 3D into the equation that process becomes a lot more time consuming and expensive.
project cars is coming to vita?
No - but you asked why people aren't making 3D indie games. But as Interfectum said, 2D is easier and a lot cheaper.
really? i was under the impression it was the opposite... i know a 3d space makes mechanics more complicated but in terms of assets. 2d stuff every single frame has to be drawn by hand...
Interfectum
Member
A programmer with limited artistic abilities should still be able to draw good enough to 'get by' until they hire an artist (or perhaps keep one on hand for initial art work). 3D graphics add a whole other level of complexity to the situation. If you already know how to work with 3D you are way ahead of the game but if you have no experience with it then 2D is a LOT easier and cheaper to start with.
i guess i expected it to be understood i was referring to the Vita exclusively
I can go on steam and get all kinds of crazy indie games of EVERY genre. FPS, Racing, strategy, fighting, etc
Interfectum
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2D games are a lot easier to port for an indie dev than a 3D game. Think about porting Braid to Vita vs porting something like Project Cars or an FPS where you'd have to start worrying about performance tweeks and whatnot.
I've noticed that many indie dev on Kickstarter aside of PC usually aim for Wii U (or have Wii U as a stretch goal) over another systems, there is lack of Vita KS projects and only few indie put Vita as a stretch goal if they get more money. I'm not sure if Nintendo is doing something good here or have better policies or if eShop is that good (doubt it) but there is must be something here make these people prefer Wii U keeping in mind that both Vita and Wii U are in the same position (as in don't sell well and have tiny userbase)
more Atlus RPG goodness <3
just bought these
Hexyz Force
Kenka Bancho: Badass Rumble
Crimson Gem Saga
Knights in the Nightmare
Riviera: The Promised Land
Yggdra Union
now to decide on
Rock of Ages (PS3 for easier co-op)
Trine 2 (PS3 for easier co-op)
Book of Memories
Summer/Fall is a bleeding month
Dragon Crown
FFX|X-2
KH HD 1.5 (PS3)
Tales of Xillia (PS3)
The Sky Final Fantasy Artbooks (PS3)
just bought these
Hexyz Force
Kenka Bancho: Badass Rumble
Crimson Gem Saga
Knights in the Nightmare
Riviera: The Promised Land
Yggdra Union
now to decide on
Rock of Ages (PS3 for easier co-op)
Trine 2 (PS3 for easier co-op)
Book of Memories
Summer/Fall is a bleeding month
Dragon Crown
FFX|X-2
KH HD 1.5 (PS3)
Tales of Xillia (PS3)
The Sky Final Fantasy Artbooks (PS3)
It looks like Spelunky isn't going to make July/early August. Over on the US PSBlog a user asked why it wasn't part of the 'Play 4' promotion. A mod answered him saying: "Spelunky will be available on PSN a bit later this year. Stay tuned for more news on Selunky soon."
Play 4 runs until August 13. Too bad, really wanted to play Spelunky all summer long on Vita.
Play 4 runs until August 13. Too bad, really wanted to play Spelunky all summer long on Vita.
Looks nice. Gonna support if they reach or getting close to the Vita goal. Got burned once with a steam code when the vita stretch goal wasn't reached.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
I think there are other reasons such as they arn't competing with the big publishers as they arn't making these 2d games.
Anyway hopfully if these indie games sell really well (and it just so happens most the best selling indies in recent times have been the 2d ones) then indie devs will start aiming to release all their games on vita as well, including the 3d ones.
I imagine its easier to port the 2d ones as well so when they do make a 3d one from scratch they can do so with the Vita in mind.
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I remember seeing people say something about Unity be enabled for PSM soon. Does that mean games like shadowgun deadzone could get a vita release? I honestly think thats the best portable competitive shooter out there at the moment and would work a lot better on Vita.
Saying that killzone certainly has a chance of being awesome from its latest footage.
famousmortimer
Banned
I agree with everyone and think that time and money are the big motivators in going 2d... it's just flat out cheaper and easier to make.
But another aspect of this is that indie developers are free to make the type of games they want to make. Most of these developers are about the same age and definitely seem to have been raised on the NES. So they, typically, want to make something like they experienced when they were kids.
As 3d development gets cheaper and a younger generation of indie devs comes around that were raised on Final Fantasy VII and Halo, i expect we will see more branching out into those genres. I look forward to it.
Also... if you check out psm, there are plenty of genres represented there. There's a fps. There's a racing game. It's mostly 2d art but there's more than just platformers.
On PS Mobile this week there's also Ten By Eight from Action Button Entertainment (ie. Tim Rogers). I'm looking forward to it.
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
I finally got my Vita referral code after 2 months of pestering Sony
So... I won woo
So... I won woo
I got mine too...
twice.
it's strange. they gave me my first one at the end of the referral thingum... then last week out of the blue, they gave another
$20? now get Gurumin: A Monstrous Adventure so you win for real.
breakfuss
Member
Good point, I never considered that.
EsotericManiac
Banned
what's new/free today on PSN?
PartTimeWarrior
Banned
Nice
Not my cup of tea, but I'm not sure what I want to get. Gonna sit on it for awhile
Boooooo
That's so strange since they are demoing it all over... I'll just have to pick up another blind box Spelunky toy to tide me over till then.BlackLagoon
Member
Most 3D indie games use Unity, which doesn't have official Vita support... yet. It is on the way though, so I would expect we'll see more diversity once it's officially released. That said, there have been a few 3D indie games already announced for the Vita, like Forgotten Memories (survival horror) and Dying: Sinner Escape (adventure/puzzle).
I definitively get the impression that Nintendo's indie team is seeking out Kickstarters and offering them Wii U devkits, though how this works out for them in the end remains to be seen. And many of the more promising Kickstarter games with Wii U versions seem to end up on PlayStation platforms eventually, like Cloudberry Kingdom and Two Brothers for example. I think Sony just prefers to have a working game to evaluate before approaching a dev.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Is Unity supported on Wii U? Might be the reason for so many Wii U stretch goals.
Interfectum
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canedaddy
Member
They suggested on the last Playstation blogcast that a long-awaited PS1 classic is finally coming. I'm hoping it's Suikoden II.
really? so it's a mystery until the store update?
are the gta ps1 games on the store? those were rated by esrb, weren't they?
canedaddy
Member
Sometimes it's a mystery, sometimes word gets out early.
GTA 1 & 2 were rumored to be coming soon back in May, so that would make sense.
Escape plan already runs on unity.
http://unity3d.com/gallery/made-with-unity/game-list?field_genre_tid=All&field_platform_tid=330
stick it to the man runs on unity too
stick it to the man runs on unity too
That's an interesting question and one I'd not really considered, and I suspect one that we won't ever know the answer to really. Is the Wii U easier to programme for? Are the dev kits cheaper? Is it cheaper to get onto eShop compared to PSN?
CaptainTiptop
Member
Europeans get Stealth Inc DLC free until 7th August.
Adds 20 new levels. Not sure if NA gets the same deal.
Adds 20 new levels. Not sure if NA gets the same deal.
Yes, but they essentially had to port the engine themselves.
i mean i hope FFX HD is this Fall but who knows
michaelius
Banned
Everyone can program 2D game since they are super simple and assets are also much easier to make.
Going to 3d makes everything order of magnitude more complicated
I bet it is msg vr missions
I just want my fucking Spyro games already.
WTF @ Virtue's Last Reward ending.
Spoilers, obviously:
So WTF.
Spoilers, obviously:
Sigma/"Kevin" is sent into the past to take 22 year old Sigma to the future to train him into trying to stop Radical-6/deadly virus from spreading and killing/self-inflicted deathing the entire world at the hands of Dio/Left's "Free the Soul" cult's wanting.
Anyway, after a bunch of time jumping and LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN~~~~~~o/`'s he finally returns to Kevin's body/Sigma-as-a-22-year-old-clone's body. But the whole: "What body did Kevin jump into to support Phi and Sigma/Zero Sr/not-Kevin's mission to stop the virus from spreading this time!" isn't ever answered.
Anyway, after a bunch of time jumping and LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN~~~~~~o/`'s he finally returns to Kevin's body/Sigma-as-a-22-year-old-clone's body. But the whole: "What body did Kevin jump into to support Phi and Sigma/Zero Sr/not-Kevin's mission to stop the virus from spreading this time!" isn't ever answered.
So WTF.
Catching up on the past couple of pages - this looks pretty nice actually! Surprised no-one else responded to you - probably because you didn't include screenshots
Right! Here are some just in case
Consider this post extreme port begging. We all do it; it seems like being a Vita owner (plus Sonys recent approach) a free pass to hope, discuss and wish for titles to come to our beleaguered handheld.
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Liege
I know this was posted earlier - but here it is again in case some of you missed it. This has already been approved by Sony and has added a PS4/Vita stretch goal already.
Story, Tactics, and Art. A modern re-imagining of the classic 16-bit RPG.
Legend of Iya
Gorgeous art, wonderful animation and it scratches that genre itch.
It feels like were constantly discussing two genres in this thread; roguelikes and metroidvanias. We have Spelunky coming shortly, with one or two others to satisfy the first, but Ive been dying to play a good Metroidvania since, well, Metroid Prime. (Hyperbole Guacamelee was pretty good too.)
An epic metroidvania adventure built of beautiful pixels.
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Great post. Great idea. I wonder if a "Vita Kickstarter Port Thread" would work.
Personally, I'm very interested in these two. I think as long as the developers are interested in porting to Vita and they can get a hold of Shahid, then it is highly likely we could see their games.
Oh my...I would cry manly tears of joy if that were the case. I never played the original but I've heard so much praise from GAF for it. Let's hope together my friend!