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[BadAss2961]

It is simple really. He just didn't feel good about supporting a game that needs a (fan)fix to be playable (not quite the case).

It is just a principle of some people. It just doesn't hold up with most here.

the solution is often used as an excuse to justify From's initial offering which is, in a word, unacceptable. It's not something gamers should accept in terms of a port.

For one, From's already come out and acknowledged their terrible PC port and promised to go all out for the next game. So there's basically no point in taking a stand against DS1 anymore.

Secondly, it's a simple fix for a great game. To anyone in the OP's situation -- get over yourself, and do yourself a favor by fixing the game you spent your money on.

 

[vgJames]

Luckily Dark Souls is a relatively hardcore game and those who wanted it were active in demonstrating for it and would have followed the game's release and the DSFix and I'm guessing most of those who got it were aware.

Can you imagine if it was insanely popular but casual game that was released in the same manner instead and say only 10% of the audience actually played the 'fixed' game.

 

[Orayn]

It is a terrible port, a fan mod doesn't change the fact that namco is recieving compensation for such a terrible port.

Yeah, but at least they admitted to it being a bad port and promised to do better next time.

More importantly, that compensation and the lead-up to the PC release was apparently enough to make PC the lead platform for Dark Souls II. It's a new engine, a bigger budget, a larger team, and a sequel to one of From Software's most successful, popular titles to date, so I'm inclined to believe they won't just blow it off.

Save problems were a issue on all platforms, and Tomb Raider ran fucking awesome, plus these released the same day as consoles and nobody had to make a petition to get PC releases.

From Software is a small developer who generally doesn't do PC releases and was totally oblivious to the demand for the PC version at first. Give 'em a little slack.

Also, good job moving the goalposts.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Save problems were a issue on all platforms, and Tomb Raider ran fucking awesome, plus these released the same day as consoles and nobody had to make a petition to get PC releases.

Unnecessary. They didn't plan to make a PC version, and they had absolute minimal or no PC experience.

Such excuses don't exist for MANY west devs.

 

[AlexBasch]

Welp, GTA4 runs like ass on my FX4130, which, isn't a really high end CPU or a good gaming one, but it's a Quad and has a 5670 that runs freaking Battlefield at steady 30+ fps.

GTA4 is almost PS3 performance instead.

 

[Eusis]

I just don't get being so stubborn about the DSfix. I understand being anal about updating to an extent, but if the game clearly needs improvement and the process is simple enough, why not? This certainly isn't like trying to install a million and one mods to "fix" a Bethesda game then trying to remember what the fuck you even installed after a short time away (or the minute you're done sticking stuff on for that matter), and it's not even like Infinity Engine games that usually have one set of must have mods. Even if you don't want to tamper with the experience too much that's why you'd just skip on enabling 60 FPS and go for higher resolution, it's what I had been doing (nevermind that I mostly burned through the game pre-60 FPS and trying 60 FPS was kind of awkward looking to me. Like watching a TV with frame interpolation on to look smoother.)

 

[Orayn]

I just don't get being so stubborn about the DSfix. I understand being anal about updating to an extent, but if the game clearly needs improvement and the process is simple enough, why not? This certainly isn't like trying to install a million and one mods to "fix" a Bethesda game then trying to remember what the fuck you even installed after a short time away (or the minute you're done sticking stuff on for that matter), and it's not even like Infinity Engine games that usually have one set of must have mods. Even if you don't want to tamper with the experience too much that's why you'd just skip on enabling 60 FPS and go for higher resolution, it's what I had been doing (nevermind that I mostly burned through the game pre-60 FPS and trying 60 FPS was kind of awkward looking to me. Like watching a TV with frame interpolation on to look smoother.)

Ultimately, OP is free to be "principled" and refuse to install a simple fix that addresses all of his complaints. We are also free to tell OP that we think he chose a really stupid thing to be principled about and is denying himself an amazing game for no good reason.

 

[DukeTogo1300]

Ports are judged by how they compare to other games on the same platform. Dark Souls doesn't exist in a vacuum, so not having the absolute most basic graphical settings seriously hurts it quality as a PC port.

I don't know. Seems to me that a PC port running the game at the same settings as the console versions but with improved performance is pretty far from the worst of anything.

Didn't FROM say early on that they are new to the PC platform? The accusations in this thread calling them lazy seem a little over-the-top, as locked settings really have nothing to do with effort. I'd say it is more a matter of poor choices due to lack of experience, and they no doubt will learn their lessons for future releases.

 

[Aselith]

The port is solid and it's EXACTLY what From said it would be prerelease. Everyone, myself among them, refused to believe that they wouldn't work to improve the look on PC from what it was on consoles even though they said it would have parity. They delivered on that and it's at a steady 30FPS on anything. It works well and is bug free. The port is decent. Durante's fix makes it great.

It's definitely not a BAD port, it's just not good either.

 

[Veal]

Best use of this gif ever hahaha!

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The port is not that bad, I mean at least is not a borken mess of bugs. It lacks the options you would expect from a PC release something DSfix adds.

IMO Darksiders 2 and broken v-sync was much worse.

 

[d31m0s]

You obviously haven't played GTA IV on PC...

Or saints row 2 ad The force unleashed

 

[Eusis]

Ultimately, OP is free to be "principled" and refuse to install a simple fix that addresses all of his complaints. We are also free to tell OP that we think he chose a really stupid thing to be principled about and is denying himself an amazing game for no good reason.

Yeah, it's not like playing the game's mandatory as a human being or anything crazy, but it doesn't seem worth making this big of a fuss. At least by default it runs like on consoles (with less slowdown!) unlike SR2 which just... Why the fuck can't I even get that to run at 100% speed and not 110% or 90? And require manual timing to figure it out? That's when you know something's FUBAR.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Exactly, I don't understand why people are defending this.

Because it's a fucking awesome game? I played the PS3 version, which is worse, but still loved it.

This is for the best.

Last thing we need is a thread tomorrow from need4speed shitting on the game because he wandered into the graveyard early.

Spoiler

I think this is what actually happened but he doesn't want to admit he sucks at the game, so he blames it on a bad port instead, for his own peace of mind.

 

[hlhbk]

The port is not that bad, I mean at least is not a borken mess of bugs. It lacks the options you would expect from a PC release something DSfix adds.

IMO Darksiders 2 and broken v-sync was much worse.

I thought they fixed the vsync on DS2? I was playing it the other day and didn't see any issues?

 

[need4speed]

Because it's a fucking awesome game? I played the PS3 version, which is worse, but still loved it.

Spoiler

I think this is what actually happened but he doesn't want to admit he sucks at the game, so he blames it on a bad port instead, for his own peace of mind.

I actually played for a couple of minutes and then realized that the box resolution made me realize what a huge mistake I made by buying this game, this is the last time I buy based on a recommendation on GAF.

 

[Red Liquorice]

only bad thing with the PC version is that the online component has so many hackers.

I haven't had much experience yet, but invaders so far haven't seemed as aggressively twinked out as on PS3, thanks to the old BB glitch and megamule I guess.

On PS3, I expect every red or white phantom to be completely decked out and shooting dark magic at low levels, and 9 times out of 10 they are. This hasn't been my experience so far on PC.... So far!

 

[SneakyStephan]

Saint's row 2 is the worst port (unplayable framerates no matter what kind of hardware you have)

Then come the bioshock games (awful pseudo mouse controls that are really just an emulated analog stick, ruins any enjoyment one might have)

Dark souls is shameful but at least it was fixable durante, there is no fix for the other two

 

[Atruvius]

need4speed, stop acting like a spoiled little child, download dsfix and play the game. You might actually feel better.

 

[Orayn]

I actually played for a couple of minutes and then realized that the box resolution made me realize what a huge mistake I made by buying this game, this is the last time I buy based on a recommendation on GAF.

I'm still waiting for an explanation for why it's such a problem for you to install DSFix.

I would be happy to personally guide you through the process if you need help.

 

[sagat2036]

I just bought DS too! Oh man was a shock with no DSfix and controller. Its all good now.

Lets hope From can manage fixing rag doll for DS2. This shit is so 1999 yo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvSff2Nt7xQ

 

[TalesOfWin]

I haven't had much experience yet, but invaders so far haven't seemed as aggressively twinked out as on PS3, thanks to the old BB glitch and megamule I guess.

On PS3, I expect every red or white phantom to be completely decked out and shooting dark magic at low levels, and 9 times out of 10 they are. This hasn't been my experience so far on PC.... So far!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ybYx1RzPg

 

[Sojiro]

I kind of have to agree with the OP on this one. Its a fucking horrendous PC port, probably the worst I have played (with Halo PC being a distant second). Granted Durante's DSfix does absolute wonders for the game (kudos btw), the fact it is pretty much required in order to play it to me is clear proof the port is miserable. However with that said OP, I definitely would get the fix and play this gem of a game. I picked it up during the summer sale (woot $8) and absolutely love the game. Its kicking my ass, but I come back for more. Once you configure the DSfix it should be smooth sailing.

 

[Orayn]

I just bought DS too! Oh man was a shock with no DSfix and controller. Its all good now.

Lets hope From can manage fixing rag doll for DS2. This shit is so 1999 yo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvSff2Nt7xQ

The footage we've seen so far has most enemies burning up in "soul fire" instead of leaving ragdolls, but I'll still miss them.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

I can't get Bully to go past the initial loading screen. That seems like a pretty bad port.

 

[need4speed]

I'm still waiting for an explanation for why it's such a problem for you to install DSFix.

I would be happy to personally guide you through the process if you need help.

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

 

[Caerith]

Dark Souls was a relatively excellent PC port. Durante wouldn't have been able to fix it in 23 minutes had it been bad.

I don't understand where the OP is coming from with this. It's an easy fix, it's a well-documented fix, it's a fix that's mentioned with every single recommendation you see on GAF.

Hey GAF, should I get Dark Souls?

Yes, and be sure to install DSFix when you do!

It's impossible for the OP to have bought Dark Souls on GAF's recommendation and not known about this.

Spoiler

Given that his Steam account his blocked, I half-expect he hasn't bought it at all and is just trolling.

I might be understanding if the OP was like "I refuse to install patches on principle." I mean, it's a completely idiotic principle, but at least it's a principle. Unfortunately, I've never known the OP to follow any principle except whining.

 

[CambriaRising]

This topic has been hilarious. You could just fix the game and play it, need4speed.

No, instead lets take a stand and let them have your money all the while not playing the game you paid for. I mean, in sure your forum posts will say more than the fact that you purchased it, right?

If you really wanted to show them what's what, you would play the game so much that there is nothing left to do. Get your money's worth, or more.

 

[Tomat]

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

That fix never worked for me, my game always crashed when I used it.

But that fix is pointless for me, my crappy 32inch can't support 1920x108pi so a lower resolution is actually better.

Hmm..

 

[Orayn]

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

From Software knows their port was shit, and they're making amends by moving to a new engine and having PC as the lead platform for Dark Souls II. That counts for something.

Also, you said that you'd already paid for the game and were unlikely to get a refund, so you've voted with your wallet and sent all the message you're going to send. Not playing the game would just be a pointless exercise in self-denial. (Oh, and attention-seeking, since you seem to love telling us all how adamant you are about not playing it.)

 

[Skab]

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

Except that isnt the message it sends at all.

 

[Sullichin]

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

Lol what the fuck

It's not telling FROM anything regardless of what you do. What do you mean?

 

[hlhbk]

I kind of have to agree with the OP on this one. Its a fucking horrendous PC port, probably the worst I have played (with Halo PC being a distant second). Granted Durante's DSfix does absolute wonders for the game (kudos btw), the fact it is pretty much required in order to play it to me is clear proof the port is miserable. However with that said OP, I definitely would get the fix and play this gem of a game. I picked it up during the summer sale (woot $8) and absolutely love the game. Its kicking my ass, but I come back for more. Once you configure the DSfix it should be smooth sailing.

Um the PC version of Halo was by far the best version of the origional game.

 

[hlhbk]

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

If you don't like applying fixes and configuring .ini files just stop pc gaming now. It is much easier and better being a PC gamer now than it ever has been, its just a part of it.

 

[Caerith]

Hmm..

Hahaha oh wow. Guess someone's a) full of shit and b) got an axe to grind about being ignored in the other thread.

 

[Orayn]

Um the PC version of Halo was by far the best version of the origional game.

It was an improvement in most respects, though it did lack co-op and had animations that ran at 30 FPS despite everything else about the game being able to run at 60.

 

[PeterVenkman]

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

So honorable.


This thread is unbelievable . I think the best is when OP blames GAF for recommending the game. Yes it's an entire forum's fault that you bought a game that was not ported well. Icing on the cake that you can't get off your lazy ass and drag a few files into a folder.

 

[Superflat]

I kind of have to agree with the OP on this one. Its a fucking horrendous PC port, probably the worst I have played (with Halo PC being a distant second). Granted Durante's DSfix does absolute wonders for the game (kudos btw), the fact it is pretty much required in order to play it to me is clear proof the port is miserable. However with that said OP, I definitely would get the fix and play this gem of a game. I picked it up during the summer sale (woot $8) and absolutely love the game. Its kicking my ass, but I come back for more. Once you configure the DSfix it should be smooth sailing.

In what way was the fix required to play? The game wasn't broken for me one bit before I installed the DSfix, which i did for (much) prettier graphics.

 

[RedSwirl]

It takes literally two minutes to install DSfix man.

And yes, the vanilla version of the port is absolutely substandard, but FROM actually admitted this both before and after release. Before they heavily implied that Namco rushed the port, also noting that this was the first PC game they ever developed.

A lot of people seem to forget how shitty Japanese developers used to be with PC ports.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

Was DSfix patched for laptops with Optimus? I got the game at the $20 amazon sale way back, but at that time installing DSfix did nothing except make the game run worse.

 

[PeterVenkman]

In what way was the fix required to play? The game wasn't broken for me one bit before I installed the DSfix, for (much) prettier graphics.

That's the other thing I don't get. I did call it broken, but shit it's not as broken as DMC 3. I still can't get that game running. The closest I got was a widescreen fix and an offbrand logitech controller working, but then you've got to remove the fucking audio files. THAT'S a bad port.

Dark Souls PC -DSFix is the same game I played through on the PS3 down to the monitor I played it on.

 

[weirdingway]

I'll take a bad port the community can fix over no port despite most of your other games being on PC (looking at you Rockstar and fucking us raw on RDR).

 

[Sojiro]

Um the PC version of Halo was by far the best version of the origional game.

The FPS was a pretty big issue for me, plus while it did add online play, the netcode was atrocious, and required you to lead your shots regardless of latency. Thinking about it I was wrong to say Halo as a distant second, that title should go to the first Borderlands...that is a mess to play without some serious configuration.

In what way was the fix required to play? The game wasn't broken for me one bit before I installed the DSfix, which i did for (much) prettier graphics.

Maybe some people's mileage varied so "required to play" is probably an exaggeration I admit. But for me personally, the resolution was set to an extremely low value, and changing the in game visual options did nothing to fix it. Also it seemed extremely choppy like it was dropping far below 30 fps, I don't know if anything in that configuration was meant to help with the FPS (I didn't unlock the 60 FPS) but it ran much better after it as well.

 

[Revolutionary]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I hope someone has brought up Saints Row 2 already. Now THAT is the worst PC port ever.

 

[Sethos]

More stirring up shit eh, need4speed.

 

[Durante]

Was DSfix patched for laptops with Optimus? I got the game at the $20 amazon sale way back, but at that time installing DSfix did nothing except make the game run worse.

I added Optimus support (which basically required an entire rewrite of the injection method, thanks Nvidia) back in version 0.8 on september 1 last year

 

[Acerac]

Hmm..

Well that makes everything he's said thusfar even more suspect, doesn't it?

 

[ebullientprism]

If I install this fix (which I won't) It tells FROM that I agree that their port was shit and the PC community must fix it for them, which is wrong.

Leave it at that.

But you already bought the game, time for sending the message has kinda passed.

You will deliberately have a terrible experience to proove what exactly? From already have your money.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Honestly, as bad as the pre-Durante visuals are by PC standards, the real crime was using GFWL for multiplayer. It's definitely the best game with the worst port job I've ever played, though I definitely have played worse ports of worse games.

 

[Skab]

This is basically the OP and the rest of the thread right now