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[Ragingnight]

that long ass video is more a story of not trusting stranger.

He said anime-con people aren't sleazy like this...lolwhat?

This shit is more about strangers going to a con/event rather than any particular group.

 

[notworksafe]

Marvel doesn't really need a patch, luckily it probably won't be getting one anyway.

 

[Horseress]

Marvel doesn't really need a patch, luckily it probably won't be getting one anyway.

Also, about the Nemo vs Chris G match, damn! Chris G is such a crying baby...complains that he can't do what he wants but refuses to change the stick...

 

[90TilInfinity]

Did the FChamp one ever come out?

Yeah, it might've gotten flagged though.

 

[notworksafe]

Explain why it needs a patch. I've not seen any evidence that the game has matured to a point where a patch is needed as badly as people here seem to think it is.

 

[Grecco]

56 min yeah no thanks.


my experience with evo was awesome i dont regret it.

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

http://instagram.com/p/cKjIh2knvS/

Jill am cry

I don't see a problem here.

Any word on NLBC tonight?

 

[darkblade77]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQGuneiv7A

Linking a recent Hopeless Masquerade tournament. Movement at neutral is fun to watch with this game.

 

[AnkiRendan]

Speaking of the patch discussion, I think people should put their energy into telling Ono we want an all Capcom roster team based fighting game instead. I believe Sven said he was spreading the word but it wasn't gaining any traction or support. At least with an all Capcom roster game you can actually get patches. I really don't think Marvel will ever be updated again.

 

[MrDaravon]

I don't see a problem here.

Any word on NLBC tonight?

Art's streaming it.

 

[UltraDavid]

Hey I'm gonna be on Live on Three, that show with Slasher & DJWheat where they talk about esports and sometimes fgc stuff, in just a little bit. We'll be talking about Evo, VxG, and the article I just wrote about the dangers of sportsifying video games. Rachel Quirico aka SeltzerPlease is a guest host on there today too.

Linky: twitch.tv/onemoregametv

It's already live so tune in if you're interested, but right now they're talking about Starcraft 2. I'll be on in about 15-30 minutes.

 

[El Sloth]

that long ass video is more a story of not trusting stranger.

He said anime-con people aren't sleazy like this...lolwhat?

This shit is more about strangers going to a con/event rather than any particular group.

There was whole thread here a couple of years ago full of sleazy anime con stories. Glory days of the OT.

 

[kirblar]

From EventHubs via the grapevine:

Akuma nerfs more recover on back fireball, "speculation" cannot FADC 2nd hit of DP, can't OS sweep into U1

 

[FindMyFarms]

A cautionary tale about going on a road trip with 4 strangers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7uJ8NFSPjY

Fixed.

Also this is stupid. It's a grown ass man that couldn't handle his business.

 

[Ragingnight]

There was whole thread here a couple of years ago full of sleazy anime con stories. Glory days of the OT.

do you know where the thread is? or the title? I wanna see it for my own amusement.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

I don't see a problem here.

oh its a problem

 

[Horseress]

Explain why it needs a patch. I've not seen any evidence that the game has matured to a point where a patch is needed as badly as people here seem to think it is.

It's not a case where the game will die if it don't get patched, but the cheap stuff has taken control of the game, and it would be SO SO much more interesting if some adjustments were made.

Yeah, almost every fighter has tons of cheap stuff, but when you got less than 10 relevant characters in a 50 character game, you have a big problem

 

[Nabs]

David is about to be on LiveOnThree

 

[Passive Assassin]

/drumroll.

 

[Karsticles]

I feel this (and other suggestions in the OT) don't live up to greats like:
9 Years Urley
New Age of Zeroes
To infinites.. and beyond!

thread titles are srs business

The last two also sorta reflected back at the metagame at the time.


I thought they did? Or was that a rumour? Honestly I haven't followed this shit half as much since gaming turned into a Cerny circlejerk.

Nothing Stops This Patch is way better than New Age of Zeroes.

And fighting games will never prosper on the XB1 so long as there is a Kinect requirement. No one will cart that crap to tournaments. PS4 will be the tournament standard. Away in some corner tournament players will hear "C-c-c-combo breaker!" every 30 seconds for the 6 months people play Killer Instinct.

 

[LordJim]

It's not a case where the game will die if it don't get patched, but the cheap stuff has taken control of the game, and it would be SO SO much more interesting if some adjustments were made.

Yeah, almost every fighter has tons of cheap stuff, but when you got less than 10 relevant characters in a 50 character game, you have a big problem

33 characters were used in top 32 and even with 19 dooms in top 32, 2 made it in and not in top 4.
Mobody would really agree on the 10 or less characters either.
It's nowhere near that bad currently.
Still, if a patch with mostly good changes came out, it would be good of course

 

[FSLink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6igueSefz0&feature=youtu.be

Just pulled off some anti-Phoenix tech with Phoenix Wright earlier online, so I recreated it in Training Mode. I thought it's pretty nifty how large the DHC window is for Wright.

 

[notworksafe]

It's not a case where the game will die if it don't get patched, but the cheap stuff has taken control of the game, and it would be SO SO much more interesting if some adjustments were made.

Yeah, almost every fighter has tons of cheap stuff, but when you got less than 10 relevant characters in a 50 character game, you have a big problem

When you have Shuma, Haggar, Akuma, Storm, and Hawkeye in top 8 at EVO I don't think you can complain about a lack of diversity.

Sure Zero won (the characters 2nd victory at a major iirc...not too hot for such a good character) but not the "best" Zero team. It was a team with Hawkeye on it. HAWKEYE! You've got the "best" team in the game being beaten by Wolv/Storm/Akuma. Sounds like there's plenty of work that can still be put into the game

This is in a time period where information has never been more accessible and tech is being learned and shown off faster than ever before. And you've got Shuma in top 3.

I don't think UMVC3 has evolved or matured enough to warrant a patch at this point. It reminds me of when Spiral was the "best" character in MVC2. That sure didn't stick around.

 

[Horseress]

33 characters were used in top 32 and even with 19 dooms in top 32, 2 made it in and not in top 4.
Mobody would really agree on the 10 or less characters either.
It's nowhere near that bad currently.
Still, if a patch with mostly good changes came out, it would be good of course

Phoenix Wright got 32 and you can't say he's relevant. Also, EVO should not be a parameter, normal everyday play should be, 'cause EVO top 32 is made of 32 of best players out there, and, as an example, we all know that Storm is pretty meh and even then Justin Wong got 2º place. Because he is Justin Wong, not because Storm is top tier.

 

[notworksafe]

It's not about a character being top tier. It's about a character being viable and having the potential for good tech. Clearly Storm has it, who knows what other characters have good stuff too?

 

[LordJim]

Phoenix Wright got 32 and you can't say he's relevant. Also, EVO should not be a parameter, normal everyday play should be, 'cause EVO top 32 is made of 32 of best players out there, and, as an example, we all know that Storm is pretty meh and even then Justin Wong got 2º place. Because he is Justin Wong, not because Storm is top tier.

Half the cast is represented in top8/16s by consistent placers.
And if character choice does not cut you off from a top placing, it's not that bad yet.
I am generally in the ' let it rock a bit more' camp

Edit:And Ultradavid has Cornered as a theme for his phone, haha

 

[RockTurtle]

Ghostrider

 

[Azure J]

I don't think UMVC3 has evolved or matured enough to warrant a patch at this point. It reminds me of when Spiral was the "best" character in MVC2. That sure didn't stick around.

Most of the real changes anyone wants are quality of life changes to certain system mechanics (grabs, assist calls, TACs, internal math behind stat bonuses) and certain characters really. No one is lobbying for sweeping changes more so than they're giving information and opinions that can be used for the series' future if they extend beyond the scope of a patch -- theoretical or real.

 

[El Sloth]

do you know where the thread is? or the title? I wanna see it for my own amusement.

Sorry, it was a while ago. I don't even remember the thread title.

David is about to be on LiveOnThree

These questions by djwheat are...of dubious quality.

 

[Horseress]

It's not about a character being top tier. It's about a character being viable and having the potential for good tech. Clearly Storm has it, who knows what other characters have good stuff too?

Ok, Storm is not a bad character, It's just that Storm is WAY harder to play than Vergil, so why pick her if you can pick Vergil and do better?

EDIT: I can agree that things could change if the game sticks around more time like it is now, but I wanna play something different than this game ya now, PW top tier and stuff

 

[toddhunter]

These questions by djwheat are...of dubious quality.

Every LO3 show interview I've ever seen:

Them: "Don't you think esports should be bigger and run better?"
Guest: "Yeah I suppose?"
Them: "Yeah we think esports should be bigger and run better"

At least Chris G mixed it up.

 

[Mr. X]

They want a patch because it's starting to settle and people want the snow globe shaken up.

 

[LordJim]

Ok, Storm is not a bad character, It's just that Storm is WAY harder to play than Vergil, so why pick her if you can pick Vergil and do better?

As viable as KoF XIII's cast is, there is no reason to pick someone like Mai or Leona and a couple othersfor the most part that other characters do not do better or easier, but people will pick them.
Same with actually good players like iPeru sticking with Fuerte.
Or Top GG AC+ players sticking with Johnny.

 

[Dahbomb]

It's not a case where the game will die if it don't get patched, but the cheap stuff has taken control of the game, and it would be SO SO much more interesting if some adjustments were made.

Yeah, almost every fighter has tons of cheap stuff, but when you got less than 10 relevant characters in a 50 character game, you have a big problem

The game does not have less than 10 relevant characters... it's way closer to 20+. It's definitely the most balanced Marvel game made but that's not saying much.

No game "needs" a patch but would the game greatly benefit from one? I definitely think so. Just the fixing of TAC would be enough for most people though.

 

[notworksafe]

Ok, Storm is not a bad character, It's just that Storm is WAY harder to play than Vergil, so why pick her if you can pick Vergil and do better?

EDIT: I can agree that things could change if the game sticks around more time like it is now, but I wanna play something different than this game ya now, PW top tier and stuff

If you want to play something different, play something different. Personal preferences don't demand a patch.

Also I'd call Storm more of a bad Magneto than anything but clearly she's got some good shit that can be worked with. Just because a character isn't exactly as good or the same as another doesn't mean anything.

I guess I just don't get it. The game is two years old and barely explored at all. What happened to "Ten More Years!"? Did that go away once people got scrubbed out by shitty Vergils on XBL?

Fix the netcode, fix TAC, and maybe nerf XF damage boost. Character tweaks at this point seem unneeded.

 

[LordJim]

The game does not have less than 10 relevant characters... it's way closer to 20+. It's definitely the most balanced Marvel game made but that's not saying much.

No game "needs" a patch but would the game greatly benefit from one? I definitely think so. Just the fixing of TAC would be enough for most people though.

If they removed TACs and just that, I would be content personally.

 

[Passive Assassin]

Heh that was a nice analogy. Video game pegs in sports holes.

 

[sleepykyo]

Marvel really doesn't need a patch. It isn't like minions are going to quit Marvel for Injustice/SF4 (and pass on the eventual MvC4). Until another sandbox tornado tag fighter of similar quality (without Skullgirl's art direction and small cast) comes out, Capcom has a monopoly.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

What happened to "Ten More Years!"? Did that go away once people got scrubbed out by shitty Vergils on XBL?

This is NeoGAF.

You're arguing with people who have more fun arguing about games than playing them.

 

[El Sloth]

I haven't cringed like that in a while.

 

[Azure J]

This is NeoGAF.

You're arguing with people who have more fun arguing about games than playing them.

But I actually play games...

 

[Dahbomb]

The game is two years old and barely explored at all. What happened to "Ten More Years!"?

People didn't have many fighting games to play back in the MVC2 era and the information spread was way slower. 3 EVOs worth of experience would be equivalent to 6+ EVOs of MVC2. MVC3 could definitely survive 2 more years but beyond that most players would lose interest. A patch would extend the life of the game beyond the 2 years. Honestly if MVC3 died tomorrow I would be happy with it's performance, it gave us 3 great EVOs, some great matches, rivalries and moments.

Also the list of "relevant" characters so people don't think I am full of BS:

Zero, Viper, Vergil, Magneto, Doom, Dante, Dormammu, Strider, Morrigan, Spencer, Nova, Amaterasu, Hawkeye, Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker, Trish, MODOK, Joe, Firebrand, Taskmaster, Dr Strange

I didn't include Phoenix in it despite some people thinking she is still top tier for some reason (although still good for certain counter picks). I didn't pick Haggar despite him wrecking people, having a great assist and even made top 8. I didn't include Storm and Akuma despite their great performance at this year's EVO. I didn't include Hulk. I didn't include X-23 who can wipe out a team single handedly without letting them play. I didn't include Shuma Gorath who made top 8. I didn't include Sentinel despite him being in grand finals of last year's EVO. I didn't include a bunch of characters who I personally think are good but just underrated or underused.

 

[Grecco]

Tac infinites and the tac mechanic itself needs to be patched guys

 

[LordJim]

Oh, no Skrull?
But yeah, most would agree.
Optimized Joe teams need to surface

 

[Dahbomb]

Oh, no Skrull?
But yeah, most would agree.
Optimized Joe teams need to surface

I forgot about him. Skrull is extremely relevant mostly because the Firebrand and Viper unblockables exists because of him. Plus he can steal matches rather easily.

 

[notworksafe]

People didn't have many fighting games to play back in the MVC2 era and the information spread was way slower. 3 EVOs worth of experience would be equivalent to 6+ EVOs of MVC2. MVC3 could definitely survive 2 more years but beyond that most players would lose interest. A patch would extend the life of the game beyond the 2 years. Honestly if MVC3 died tomorrow I would be happy with it's performance, it gave us 3 great EVOs, some great matches, rivalries and moments.

Also the list of "relevant" characters so people don't think I am full of BS:

Zero, Viper, Vergil, Magneto, Doom, Dante, Dormammu, Strider, Morrigan, Spencer, Nova, Amaterasu, Hawkeye, Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker, Trish, MODOK, Joe, Firebrand, Taskmaster, Dr Strange

I didn't include Phoenix in it despite some people thinking she is still top tier for some reason (although still good for certain counter picks). I didn't pick Haggar despite him wrecking people, having a great assist and even made top 8. I didn't include Storm and Akuma despite their great performance at this year's EVO. I didn't include Hulk. I didn't include X-23 who can wipe out a team single handedly without letting them play. I didn't include Shuma Gorath who made top 8. I didn't include Sentinel despite him being in grand finals of last year's EVO. I didn't include a bunch of characters who I personally think are good but just underrated or underused.

I don't agree. As I said in my previous post, the faster spreading of info has help all kinds of new tech be discovered. And even with all that underrated/underplayed characters like Shuma are still doing well.

In two years this game is sure to be entirely different, maybe with some of the same characters on top, maybe with characters no one expected.

Also Trish and Joe relevant but not Sentinel? C'mon son.

 

[Horseress]

Ok, I was too harsh on saying there's only 10 relevant characters, there's way more, 25 to 30 let's say. I was talking about 10 characters being way better than others, but ok, I agree with you guys, game doesn't NEED a patch, but it would be hella cool

 

[A Pretty Panda]

idk did AE2012 need a balance update?

I'm not asking as a counterpoint, I'm asking cause I don't know

 

[LordJim]

idk did AE2012 need a balance update?

I'm not asking as a counterpoint, I'm asking cause I don't know

Strictly speaking, 20+ distinct movesets are viable.
So no.
But unblockables and some characters still being repped more, people just want more finetuning.
I kinda lost my fire after Yang got gutted, so I can't really speak about it

 

[notworksafe]

idk did AE2012 need a balance update?

I'm not asking as a counterpoint, I'm asking cause I don't know

Yes and no. It's the most balanced version of SF4 but since they are also adding new characters it doesn't hurt to tweak the existing characters a bit. Also unblockables are a bitch.

When I cock an eyebrow at a Marvel patch, I'm assuming it's one that doesn't also add new characters and is just tweaks to existing characters. Stuff like fixing TAC doesn't count as a balance patch to me.