Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn - Beta Phase 3 Impression: Phase 4 August
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Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Gonna try shooting for that mystical 10K. Don't know why it's "custom" - I selected max and then flipped to 1080p from 1200p. Maybe the res drop flips it to custom?
i7 3820 @ 4.6
EVGA Titan + 100Mhz
16GB @ 2333
The resolution doesn't affect the type of settings, so you probably misclicked on something else.
LeviGratton
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Only two things that actually urked me about the game were...
A. Lightning is in the game as an interdimensional event that offers players the ability to cosplay as her and Snow.
B. The fanbase, particularly the Reddit Fanbase, is rabid.
A. Lightning is in the game as an interdimensional event that offers players the ability to cosplay as her and Snow.
B. The fanbase, particularly the Reddit Fanbase, is rabid.
New nvidia drivers pushed me over 8000.
What are ou using to cool that 2500k? Best I can get on mine with air cooling is 4.2GHz.
I got a new code yesterday....
LeviGratton
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I got 3, one with every email I signed up with.
So..yeah, they're sending them out. Check your spam folders, because they've got a weird suffix for the originating email.
xmail.square-enix.com
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Huh, you're right! Thanks for the heads up
... Tried it again, and dropped 11 points. Sadface.
So I tried it again, same settings as before fresh boot, newer drivers, only got 7200, weird. Maybe I should try the 326 beta ones.
Tweaking the settings down from max to what I'd probably actually be playing with (like bloom on low instead of high, less model detail at distance) makes a big difference, just over 8300 score with those minor tweaks.
If you read the last few posts you'd know why.
Unknown Soldier
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We're just getting warmed up for the new benchmark on August 1st!
Upgraded drivers and got a better score
Any idea how to improve more? Or should I play on High instead?
What's your OC looking like? I'm getting 7000 score with a 690 GTX. 4.6GHZ OC on my 3770k.
I mentioned it in my post. I suppose the benchmark assumes people won't disable the second GPU. But it is a possibility and it effectively makes it a slightly underclocked 680.
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Just tried with the latest beta drivers.
7800 with SLI.
7950 without.
I really do hope they stay true to their words on enabling SLI for launch. I really doubt it will be much more then getting rid of the negative scaling (though it is already very small on my system). I can't think of a current MMO besides DCU Online that wasn't horrible CPU bound anyways.
Whoa, this is really weird here.
I noticed that I had a few graphic setting over-rides running during that benchmark, so I disabled them, expecting to get a slight boost since the benchmark uses less intensive anti-aliasing and such. The score dropped nearly 500pts, despite the fact that it ended up looking slightly worse.
I take that as, definitive proof that the benchmark was made with a less than well optimized version of the engine. I've heard they've been optimizing a little during every phase of the beta, hopefully thats true. While the performance I was getting even off my old card was acceptable during the beta, I'd prefer to go through the story with the best possible visuals I could muster.
PS: Pretty darn certain my Phenom II x4 is dragging my score down slightly too, despite being nearly overclocked to 4ghz. Those scenes with tons of characters in them racked out points very slowly, in comparison to everything else.
I noticed that I had a few graphic setting over-rides running during that benchmark, so I disabled them, expecting to get a slight boost since the benchmark uses less intensive anti-aliasing and such. The score dropped nearly 500pts, despite the fact that it ended up looking slightly worse.
I take that as, definitive proof that the benchmark was made with a less than well optimized version of the engine. I've heard they've been optimizing a little during every phase of the beta, hopefully thats true. While the performance I was getting even off my old card was acceptable during the beta, I'd prefer to go through the story with the best possible visuals I could muster.
PS: Pretty darn certain my Phenom II x4 is dragging my score down slightly too, despite being nearly overclocked to 4ghz. Those scenes with tons of characters in them racked out points very slowly, in comparison to everything else.
Were you on the beta already and did you get the code on the email where your current SE beta account is registered?
Because last week I got two emails from SE, on email accounts I used to apply for the PS3 beta, but never got a code on them, it says:
So although they will be sending me a code (or 2) for phase 4, they're doing it because I never received any codes before in those emails accounts.
Now, on my email account registered with previous beta access, I haven't received such email at all, just one saying that although phase 3 is over, the final beta phase will come soon in August, already deleted it, but that was right after phase 3 ended.
Unknown Soldier
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PS: Pretty darn certain my Phenom II x4 is dragging my score down slightly too, despite being nearly overclocked to 4ghz. Those scenes with tons of characters in them racked out points very slowly, in comparison to everything else.
Unfortunately, AMD CPUs are dramatically behind Intel CPUs in performance, and yours is a really old AMD CPU to boot.
If you were to upgrade your system, you could easily overhaul it for very small amounts of money (relatively). Check out the OP of this thread for some really great build recommendations. If you can reuse parts from your current machine, but swing the Excellent - Best Overall build you will get a machine that will just crush FFXIV.
i hope they release super hi-rez version of those yoshida drawings someday
Unknown Soldier
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I enjoy torturing hardware, and today I decided that I wanted to make my laptop scream for mercy. I have actually used this laptop for playing the Phase 3 beta on the go one night, and it was absolutely playable at 720p. Sony certainly knows how to over-engineer their laptops, because even with the stupid overclock I force on the GPU the machine wasn't even close to overheating though the fan was going pretty much full-tilt.
I got that email on my already in beta legacy account. Still waiting on my ps3 code tho....
piratepwnsninja
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Going to run the benchmark on my Surface. This should be funny.
Well, a bit tapped out as far as computer upgrades go. I could probably swing an upgraded CPU towards the middle of september, or more RAM by the end of August, but both a new CPU, Motherboard and RAM, would be more akin to an, end of the year sort of thing.
Now, you are right that AMD CPU's tend to run behind Intel, since AMD's tends to concentrate on bargain or entry level hardware. However, while my current motherboard is a few years old, its still compatible with the newest AMD CPU's. So I could get a pretty significant improvement just by jumping to one of AMD's newer 8 core CPU's.
I'm kinda inclined to go that way, since I'm hearing they'll be switching RAM standards again sometime in 2014. Doesn't make too much sense to buy a new motherboard in late 2013, when I know I'm gonna feel the upgrade itch again in 2014.
Well, maybe if I saw a motherboard that was dirt cheap, a decent upgrade, and allowed me to reuse several parts, but otherwise. *shrugs*
Or, maybe when I've refreshed my upgrade budget I'll be surprised, and jumping to a newer Intel chip will be surprisingly painfless. Won't know for certain until I'm seriously looking at upgrades again, and where the various prices are around then.
piratepwnsninja
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You'll need to delete and download a new client.
Also, got a Standard rating of 2417 on my Surface at 720p Medium settings.
Yeah I'm watercooling with the H100i. It runs very cool, voltage is really my limiting factor. I've never been ballsy enough to push for 5GHz though.
Yeah I'm watercooling with the H100i. It runs very cool, voltage is really my limiting factor. I've never been ballsy enough to push for 5GHz though.
I keep swearing that I'll go the whole, watercooling route someday. Price and lack of familiarity tends to hold me back, but heaven knows its an attractive solution.
I mean, for starters, running more quietly is a really attractive prospect.
Thanks for clarifying.
Unknown Soldier
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Dat Intel HD Graphics 4000. It's actually amazingly not awful after many years of really awful Intel graphics IGPs.
Yo, these are awesome. Thanks.
Just a quick, followup to something I mentioned earlier.
I checked and, upgrading to one of the better i7's from my AMD set-up would cost me roughly 400USD. Upgrading to an AMD CPU with comparable performance, based on benchmarks, would cost me 200USD. There's no question that i7's are the best CPU's out there right now, but you can throw together a respectable system regardless of what brand you're going with.
Probably more relevant to a tech discussion thread, but since we were discussing parts and benchmarks earlier tonight. *shrug.*
I checked and, upgrading to one of the better i7's from my AMD set-up would cost me roughly 400USD. Upgrading to an AMD CPU with comparable performance, based on benchmarks, would cost me 200USD. There's no question that i7's are the best CPU's out there right now, but you can throw together a respectable system regardless of what brand you're going with.
Probably more relevant to a tech discussion thread, but since we were discussing parts and benchmarks earlier tonight. *shrug.*
Unknown Soldier
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That's only because you are replacing the motherboard to move to Intel, but not to stay on AMD.
For a person building an entirely new system, or for someone whose machine is old enough that their motherboard has no upgrade path, such considerations are irrelevant and Intel wins hands down. There's a reason why none of Hazaro's recommended builds in that thread use AMD CPUs. They are just too weak for a machine built specifically for gaming compared to their Intel equivalents.
It depends on what parts the person is able to carry over from their old machine to their new one. And for the most part, the majority of people are unable to re-use their motherboard. You happened to be one of the lucky ones who can.
For a person building an entirely new system, or for someone whose machine is old enough that their motherboard has no upgrade path, such considerations are irrelevant and Intel wins hands down. There's a reason why none of Hazaro's recommended builds in that thread use AMD CPUs. They are just too weak for a machine built specifically for gaming compared to their Intel equivalents.
It depends on what parts the person is able to carry over from their old machine to their new one. And for the most part, the majority of people are unable to re-use their motherboard. You happened to be one of the lucky ones who can.
No point using the old benchmark it doesn't even support SLI / CF and is from before beta phase 1.
Lets face it CPU fan noise is the last of our worries when we have GPU's sounding like jet engines.
Lets face it CPU fan noise is the last of our worries when we have GPU's sounding like jet engines.
theSlacker
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Not for video games. 16:10 ends up with cut off edges on all modern games compared to 16:9 because of hor+.
16:10 is good for productivity, but not for gaming.
The closed loop systems like what you are quoting are as simple as any air cooler. Nothing really intimidating. Wouldn't go for it for sound though since they can be, and normally are, louder then aircoolers. Real, full, watercooling is a bit more complex and expensive.
Personally I'll just stick with my d14.
theSlacker
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I never said I played full screen, playing an MMO full screen and not being able to do other stuff at the same time? I set the game to 1920x1080.
Torquill
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2 monitors and the game running in borderless window mode at desktop resolution?
theSlacker
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Well to be fair, I didn't specify mmos, but video games.
Some people are more tolerant to not having the entire screen be game, I know I am not. Even when I play windowed I go full screen windowed borderless.
Although I do have my HDTV connected to my PC, it is not in a position that would be nice for doing things on both of them at the same time.
Also a second monitor would be great, I don't have enough space for one at the moment. Although given the chance I would take a 30" 2560x1600 monitor first before a second one.
True, well for single player games I do go full screen, but comparing the time I play games on PC, excluding FFXIV, it's not as much as the time I spend working or just doing nothing on it, so I prefer the extra space given by the 16:10 resolutions.
For the benchmark, turn off Ambient Occlusion, or at least on Low, and that very well could give you the boost needed to have a similar performance at the higher resolution.
LeviGratton
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Passive aggressive unnecessary question mark?
Torquill
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The way they word that setting is confusing.
Disable rendering of objects you can't see.
Am I disabling Ambient Occlusion or disabling the rendering of occluded objects?
. Well with the checkbox off I was at 5100ish. With the checkbox on at the same resolution the score remained the same. So it looks like rendering those extra objects isn't my bottleneck one way or the other.
Got an i7 and 6GB of RAM, so pretty sure a simple vid card upgrade will do me good.
Are you sure you got the right option off? I don't mean the one in General that says "Disable rendering of objects when not visibble. (Occlusion Culling)", but the one in Effects called "Screen Space Ambient Occlusion" which has three options, Off, Low, High."
Because there's no way I'm getting a 1200 points performance increase and you're getting nothing.
Not really, was just checking CPU benchmarks and prices earlier tonight. The Intel CPUs are definitely better, but for the most part you could find AMD CPUs with roughly similar scores.
On a performance pop per dollar ratio, I'd actually say that AMD wins. The price premium for Intel CPUs can be, not insignificant.
However, on a performance per watt ratio, it looks like Intel definitely wins. Which probably reflects Intel's fixation on owning the laptop market this past half decade. Makes a lot of sense given that consumers accept higher prices for laptop components.
Newish motherboards for both families of chip seem comparably priced too, so for new builds AMD would be fine for gaming, at least in most cases.
All this said, again there's no doubt Intel makes better chips, and I hope that AMD does a better job competing in the future. For PC gamers working on a strict budget though, AMD is probably the better route. The Intel price premium just, hurts it in that regard.
Torquill
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Whoops. I got Occlusion Culling and Ambient Occlusion mixed up. Totally different things! Changing Ambient Occlusion to low boosts me about 200ish points. Turning it off boosts me 400ish points. An improvement but not earth shattering on my end. New card should make it moot
.Whoops. I got Occlusion Culling and Ambient Occlusion mixed up. Totally different things! Changing Ambient Occlusion to low boosts me about 200ish points. Turning it off boosts me 400ish points. An improvement but not earth shattering on my end. New card should make it moot
Oh wow, it makes so a difference on mine, incredible.
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