Evangelion 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo |OT| :Q

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I always considered myself someone who knew quite a lot about Evangelion. However I had no idea what the fuck 3.33 was about.
 
hateradio said:
Actually it did tell you, but explanations? What do you think this is? Some kind of American soap opera? :p
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Lol yeah, asking for an explanation from an Evangelion episode or movie would be too much. I must have totally missed the part where they mentioned it, so I might just go through it again soon or look it up online.
 
solidgear91 said:
Just watched 3.33, and am pretty confused with the choices they made. The original series was also confusing, but in a way that made me interested in watching and figuring out what was going on. In this I barely have an idea of what has happened between 2.0 and 3.0, and don't understand the choices they took with the plot and the characters. So just disappointing right now.

Biggest question right now would be:

If it's been 14 years since Near Third Impact, why does it seem like no one has aged, especially the pilots?
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The others have all aged, Gendo and Fuyutsuki especially. I would think keeping the pilots' appearances the same and drastically changing everyone else's kind of delivered that point.

As for why the pilots didn't age, Asuka says "it's the curse of Eva," which in the show's babblespeak is probably something about long term exposure to LCL. Though thinking about it, Asuka may be part-angel and Mari has always seemed different, so it could be related to other circumstances.
 
Blader5489 said:
The others have all aged, Gendo and Fuyutsuki especially. I would think keeping the pilots' appearances the same and drastically changing everyone else's kind of delivered that point.

As for why the pilots didn't age, Asuka says "it's the curse of Eva," which in the show's babblespeak is probably something about long term exposure to LCL. Though thinking about it, Asuka may be part-angel and Mari has always seemed different, so it could be related to other circumstances.
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From what I've read, it does seem that
prolonged exposure to LCL has kept the physical appearances of the pilots the same. Even though their appearances are the same, the pilots have still actually aged. As for Asuka being part angel, I guess that has something to do with her eyepatch?
 
France is getting a back-to-back projection of the three movies in Paris soon, I heard. Dunno about plans for a formal theatrical release but if it's like the first two it won't really matter for people not living around really big towns.
 
Looks like the first first U.S. screening will actually be in San Francisco at the end of July:
The 2013 Japan Film Festival of San Francisco, "the first fully dedicated annual Japanese film event for Northern California and the S.F. Bay Area," will screen the American premiere of Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo on Saturday, July 27 at 11:00 a.m. The festival will also screen the science-fiction film on Monday, July 29 at 7:00 p.m. and on Sunday, August 4 at 11:00 a.m. The screenings will have the Japanese soundtrack with English subtitles.
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Hahaha wow. I finally caught up with the movie. Oh wow. Gainax has done it. They had created a shark that could pierce the heavens.

The series hasn't just jumped the shark. While jumping it accelerated to FTL speed, ripped a hole in the fabric of time and space, bounced of the edge of the universe and landed so hard that it collapsed the entire multiverse and caused a series of infinite Big Bangs.

I've read spoilers and I thought I was prepared. I wasn't.

I thought people overreacted with how terrible it was. They weren't.

First, the story. I mean, I knew about major plot points like the timeskip, but was surprised how bare the descriptions were. Well, this explains everything. The movie barely has any plot. All we get between flashy battle sequences and piano scenes are two few minutes long information dump (one between Shinji and Kaworu and second between Shinji and Fuyutsuki). Besides that, there is nothing.

The structure of the movie is ABHORRENT, and while I may be using hyperboles in some parts of this post, here I am completely serious. I've never seen anything that had as terrible structure as 3.33.

First we get a prologue (?) that takes up ONE THIRD OF THE ENTIRE MOVIE. It features a ton of anime stereotypes (even including joyful bantering between crew!), a ton of flashes, flashy explosions, flashy this, flashy that and a whole lot of nothing. Shinji escapes from Wunder and while half an hour has gone by we know absolutely fucking nothing.

Then, the second third of the movie is a string of abrupt nonsensical homoerotic adventures of Shinji and Kaworu. They just make no sense and are so loosely connected. Basically one goes from another, but there is no rhythm (oh the irony, considering half this part is piano playing) to them, no structure. They just jump from one after another.

Finally third movie. Oh yes, another impact. There is a lot of wicked imagery just for the hell of it, as if Anno wanted to simply kick it up to eleven. It doesn't make sense either. I mean, a field of skulls, nice, but that's about it. In 2.22 at least the impact was interesting, here just nothing happens, and why should we even care when there is seemingly nothing at stake. For all we now Earth is inhabited by NERV and a bunch of shallow characters on Wunder. Then it's abruptly ended and bye bye. We wasted 1.5 hour and it seems the plot has not progressed at all. Even the end implies that status quo has been upheld and nothing has changed from the beginning of it. Only SEELEE's plan has been foiled. Somehow.

I think there is one point at which 3.33 makes sense. That's at 00:50 when Shinji is taken to the surface and says "Nothing makes sense". Because nothing does.

Even the characters are shadows of their former self and everybody is incredibly mind-crushingly DUMB. I can't think of a single decision made by any character throughout the movie that wasn't just idiotic.

Wunder is filled by a bunch of anime characters. The entire crew makes a genius decision of NOT TELLING SHINJI ANYTHING and being extremely pissed that he doesn't understand that he f'ed up. Just freaking tell him, this is Shinji, he will go into catatonic state and you will just seal him somewhere, hell.

Thanks to that Shinji jumps onto the first EVA he sees that wants him. Suddenly all character development from 1.1 and 2.22 is lost and Shinji is even whinier than his series counterpart.

Then nobody does nothing, there is a bunch of shouting at Shinji, and finally we're at the body of Lilith. Kaworu understands that the spears were (somehow) a trap. But no. SHINJI WILL GET THEM. HE WILL PULL THEM OUT. FOR KAWORU. Kaworu shouts at his dumb ass to stop for 2 minutes but Shinji pulls them out for Kaworu. For some reason.

Instrumentation starts. EVA-02 suddenly gets a ton of new superpowers. Misato devises a GENIUS STRATEGY of stopping Instrumentality. BY RAMMING EVA-13 THAT IS BECOMING, BY ALL OUR EVA KNOWLEDGE, AN EQUIVALENT OF GOD WITH WUNDER.

SHE TRIES TO DESTROY A GOD BY RAMMING IT WITH A HUGE FLYING FORTRESS.

THEL HELL.

Ok I'm babbling now. I just can't get my mind around it. This movie is so dumb that while writing it I'm gradually losing ability to form sensible criticisms.

At least we get (sort of) more confirmation that this is indeed a sequel not a remake.

In a lot of anime series that consist of more or less 4 seasons, the 3rd one is the most boring one with a lot of filler. This movie might have worked as a single experimental episode. Not as the third of four movies. One that we had to wait for that long too.

That was terrible and I feel like I played right into Anno's hands. So terrible.
 
I hated everything about 3(.33) so very fucking much. Including all the flashy, highly detailed and highly animated Michael-Bay type fight scenes, where I can't tell what the fuck I'm watching.

I consider myself someone who knows a lot about Evangelion and its lore, characters, themes and everything. However, I have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on in the new movie universe anymore.

And it's not just that I've completely lost count on how many
Evas are there and who pilots what, or what the various splinter groups are trying to accomplish, or how many times the third impact has occurred.

Considering that the tv series was a way for Anno to paint into a picture all the shit he went through with his depression and suicide attempts, I was really glad when I figured out in 2.22 that
the movies were actually a sequel to the original series/first set of movies, and apparently a way for the characters to redeem themselves and make things right. Evangelion was finally going to have a happy ending and I loved it.

Now, for some reason, in 3.33
they felt the need to push the reset button and take a huge dump on all the progress the characters made throughout the first two films. And the story is again ultra depressing, and more nonsensical than it has ever been.

Also, I'm totally not liking the fact that they completely forgone the militaristic, lived-in realistic feel that the world of the series had and instead went with generic sci-fi.

tl;dr Eva 3.33 feels "overproduced" and it crushed my hopes and dreams.
 
grumpy said:
Considering that the tv series was a way for Anno to paint into a picture all the shit he went through with his depression and suicide attempts, I was really glad when I figured out in 2.22 that
the movies were actually a sequel to the original series/first set of movies, and apparently a way for the characters to redeem themselves and make things right. Evangelion was finally going to have a happy ending and I loved it.

Now, for some reason, in 3.33
they felt the need to push the reset button and take a huge dump on all the progress the characters made throughout the first two films. And the story is again ultra depressing, and more nonsensical than it has ever been.
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That was definitely my biggest beef about the movie. They could have "just" remade the original with some twists and a good ending and I would have been happy I think. At least happier than where 3.33 is leading us.
 
Eva 3.333333333...

Pretty sure this was my face during the last half hour.(Minor spoiler)

Oh hey, for a second there during that middle section you almost tricked me into thinking Eva could be good again. Fortunately the absolute mess of nonsense in the last third quickly dispelled that idea. The worst thing the success of Eva ever did to Anno was making him think that pretentiously obtuse jargon equals good writing. It's especially bad in this case because none of this would have happened if someone would have just
told Shinji anything
at any point. I realize barriers between communication is a core theme of Eva, but it's never been as forced and badly done as it was here.
 
is there a solid North American released date for the 3.33 blu ray yet? I've been ACHING to see this, and have still stayed spoiler free until now....
 
javac said:
Now we wait for 4.44: The End of Evangelion Part Deux. You've been Anno'd.
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Hrm, if you mean distraught, then 3.33 has done that to most people who watch it. Especially long-time Eva fans.


I do not expect 4.44 to be anything like End of Evangelion.
 
Astral said:
Was the movie really that bad? I'm not sure I even want to buy this anymore.
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um...the script is, at best, very confusing. At worst, a total clusterfuck, even by Evangelion standards. Lots of complete 180s in plot points and character development, with a lot of old elements dropped and new ones introduced, both without much (if any) explanation.

Also, depending on how much you like 2.22's more shounen-esque happy-ending direction, you may be disappointed with the turns that 3.0 take - it's some of the franchise's most miserable shit (though I guess that's totally in line with how the tv series progressed, now that I think of it).

I still liked it (I think), but with lots of caveats.
 
Astral said:
Was the movie really that bad? I'm not sure I even want to buy this anymore.
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It's just...different. A radical shift from the tv series.

And the preview at the end of 2.22 doesn't actually occur in the movie. It's between the two films. Maybe.

It's not nearly as good at 2.22, but not an entirely an abomination. People give the original series too much credibility as it is. I wasn't offended by 3.33 by any means.
 
Astral said:
Was the movie really that bad? I'm not sure I even want to buy this anymore.
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Movie is ballsy and goes in a different direction than what 2.22 might have set you up to expect. Instead if being another twist on familiar situations, it's the first real sequel to the story.

It's also dense, takes a lot if work to figure keep up, leaves a lot of big mysteries open that may or may not get answered in 4.44, and is essentially about
Shinji relapsing after having everything (Rei, Misato, Kaworu) taken from him. He makes a terrible desperate decision but learns the hard way that he can (not) redo
. Typical Shinji behavior sine people are getting hung up on for some reason.

It's weird because it's almost as if after all the optimistic and digestible action in 2.22, some fans forgot what Evangelion was around the last third of the episodes and EoE.

Picking up on something like there being
four Adams
this time around is nothing compared to pouring over message boards fourteen years ago trying to figure out what Lilith's egg or Gendo's hand was all about.
 
Astral said:
Was the movie really that bad? I'm not sure I even want to buy this anymore.
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It is that bad. I don't think the complaints are merely due to the whiplash of the changes to the accepted Eva narrative and the way it defied what a lot of people expected after 2.0.
It's a very badly written, confusing film. Characterisation is wildly inconsistent. Pacing is TERRIBLE. Very sad to compare to the artful pacing of EoE.
There's not much action, but what is there is basically incomprehensible in the Michael Bay style, and is too dragged out.
Oh, and the whole final third makes no sense.

The worst thing is that the film feels inconsequential. It introduces a lot of new plot elements and fails to resolve anything, and they're running out of screen time. I think not even an Eva trademark out of left field ending can save the Rebuild series after this installment.
 
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