3 kids beat another kid, black eyes and broken arm on schoolbus; driver calls cops

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birdhammer said:
The protocol for this situation calls for the bus driver to just call the cops. He did all that was necessary according to the bus company, but he should have made some effort to separate the attackers from the victim.

He is 64 years old, but it's not an excuse as to why he couldn't have put his body between the attackers and the victim. Frankly, the age excuse for anything is fucking bullshit. If you're deemed fit and responsible enough to drive 30 teenagers around for two hours a day, you should be expected to stop a fight, no matter how old you are.
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None of those things correlate at all, like someone below said. Can I drive a bus? Sure. Can I stop a fight? Probably not.

And I'm pretty sure the reason he didn't try and stop it was because he was terrified

To be honest, the only reason we're talking about this is because the police decided to shame the bus driver for no reason at all
 
Hex said:
Anyway, the sad reality is that if the driver stepped in he would have been fired, and then probably sued by one of the other parents and the school board sure would not have done anything to help and nobody else would have stood up for him.
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Damn straight, working at a high school I see this from time to time. Fight happens, people can't intervene cause school district prohibits it. If a teacher does intervene, the parents of the bully will prolly sue you for sexual harassment or something. Administration and those on the board will throw the teacher under the bus in that sort of scenario. And then meanwhile the true sex offenders and abusive teachers receive the full support and protection of the admins and board. That is how fucked up things are.


Pkm said:
FOX News (O'reily specificly) is running this story as a "racial attack"

I saw it on my FB feed and the commentors are calling for nooses!
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Speaking of Fox commentators....Tucker Carlson, just wow.
 
Chainsawkitten said:
I don't see how those are related. I'm weak as shit and wouldn't be able to stop any fight but I'm certainly physically fit enough to drive a bus.
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I guess it's because I have high standards for situations like this. I expect people to jump in like I would and have on numerous occasions to stop a fight from getting out of hand.
 
birdhammer said:
I guess it's because I have high standards for situations like this. I expect people to jump in like I would and have on numerous occasions to stop a fight from getting out of hand.
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Did you get a name change? If you are who I think you are you need to realize that not everyone is strong like you. Think outside of your capabilities for a second.
 
FOX News (O'reily specificly) is running this story as a "racial attack"

I saw it on my FB feed and the commentors are calling for nooses!
 
Stet said:
The video of this attack is brutal. Kids should be tried as adults.
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Why because you think it's "brutal"?

Kids are tried as kids, adults as adults. There shouldn't be any subjective judgement involved. If you have a problem with it let's change the law so that the punishment fits the crime regardless of age.
 
Driver did what he was supposed to do, and I can't fault him for it. I wish we were at a place where the driver could have stepped in without fear for himself, but we're not.
 
CrocMother said:
Why because you think it's "brutal"?

Kids are tried as kids, adults as adults. There shouldn't be any subjective judgement involved. If you have a problem with it let's change the law so that the punishment fits the crime regardless of age.
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But sometimes kids are tried as adults. Depends on what the kids did and how severe it is. Even the courts are subjective sometimes.
 
CrocMother said:
Why because you think it's "brutal"?

Kids are tried as kids, adults as adults. There shouldn't be any subjective judgement involved. If you have a problem with it let's change the law so that the punishment fits the crime regardless of age.
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If you were the victim would you say it wasn't brutal?
 
BronsonLee said:
None of those things correlate at all, like someone below said. Can I drive a bus? Sure. Can I stop a fight? Probably not.

And I'm pretty sure the reason he didn't try and stop it was because he was terrified
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Fair enough. He was pretty terrified and I give him a lot of credit for being honest about that. I've got to do a better job of putting myself in other people shoes in these types of situations instead of transposing myself into these situations.
 
Devolution said:
Did you get a name change? If you are who I think you are you need to realize that not everyone is strong like you. Think outside of your capabilities for a second.
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Yes.

I totally do. I've been working on it because when I don't, I come off abrasive and uncaring.
 
Devolution said:
I hate this "perfect world" nonsense as if people are supposed to accept violence against a group of people. Stop propagating hood mentality under the guise of a harsh reality.
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excellent post. Hood mentality has no place in our school system

Bullying is bad enough as is. Last thing kids need is the bullshit hood honor system that is not honorable at all
 
zma1013 said:
But sometimes kids are tried as adults. Depends on what the kids did and how severe it is. Even the courts are subjective sometimes.
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Which is why I think we should just remove the distinction altogether. It doesn't make sense to have "kid" crimes and "adult" crimes when the lines are so blurred.

Vilix said:
If you were the victim would you say it wasn't brutal?
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I wasn't calling the brutality into question. Only its use as a metric to decide whether to try people as "kids" or "adults". Kids can be really brutal because they lack empathy and don't know their own strength
 
Mortal Kombat punches. Those thugs went nuts.

After seeing the video, I'm willing to bet Reddit is framing the situation in quite a different light from GAF, as they are known to do from time to time.
 
Seeing as it's Florida they'll be tried as adults. So they're fucked. Hope that kid they stomped out is okay.

And that whole snitches get stitches mentality some people here have is just dumb as fuck.
 
The driver is almost as old as my dad.

I would not want my dad jumping into stop 3 crazed 15yr olds...god forbid in their rage they turned on him.

driver did what he should and could.

im sure these kids feared the ramifications of their actions that their parents would enforce at home... :/
 
CrocMother said:
I wasn't calling the brutality into question. Only its use as a metric to decide whether to try people as "kids" or "adults". Kids can be really brutal because they lack empathy and don't know their own strength
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Then those kids should be taught the value of knowing their own strength by standing trial for aggravated assault. Maybe that might teach them the totality of the situation.
 
CrocMother said:
Why because you think it's "brutal"?

Kids are tried as kids, adults as adults. There shouldn't be any subjective judgement involved. If you have a problem with it let's change the law so that the punishment fits the crime regardless of age.
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I think the distinction is important because certain things that kids do shouldn't affect the rest of their lives. That line, I believe, is drawn at violent or sexual crime.
 
Man is 64 years old, and I have no idea of his physical health.... He did the right thing, its sad, but he did the right thing.

Fucked up of the Police Dept to criticize this guy. Florida sure does love their fucking vigilante, 'be your own police' bullshit lately. No idea what the fucks going on down there.
 
At my school if two kids are fighting we are just supposed to step back and call security to come and handle it. Teachers have been fired for breaking up a fight here. But at the same time we had a teacher beat the fuck out of a student who hit him and he still kept his job. *Shrug*
 
Stet said:
I think the distinction is important because certain things that kids do shouldn't affect the rest of their lives. That line, I believe, is drawn at violent or sexual crime.
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And yet the ability to reason isn't subjectively changed depending on the crime, hence the juvenile justice system.

Good lord, people. What happens when you try 15 year old as a adults? They spend the rest of their formative years becoming hardened criminals in prison. Bravo.
 
CrocMother said:
Why because you think it's "brutal"?

Kids are tried as kids, adults as adults. There shouldn't be any subjective judgement involved. If you have a problem with it let's change the law so that the punishment fits the crime regardless of age.
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Agreed. I see it as a very basic democratic question. If a person does not have a right to vote and thus change the legal system, then they can't possibly be expected to be subject to the harsher punishments of that legal system. If a person is below voting age, then everthing possible should be done for that person to avoid prison and extreme emphasis put on rehabilitation (though I suppose that's true in general as well). Enforcing a legal system that can't be changed (by the person in question) seems undemocratic to me.
 
Byakuya769 said:
And yet the ability to reason isn't subjectively changed depending on the crime, hence the juvenile justice system.

Good lord, people. What happens when you try 15 year old as a adults? They spend the rest of their formative years becoming hardened criminals in prison. Bravo.
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Also getting raped since they're so vulnerable. It happens in juvie even, imagine how bad it would be in adult prison for them.
 
Stet said:
I think the distinction is important because certain things that kids do shouldn't affect the rest of their lives. That line, I believe, is drawn at violent or sexual crime.
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Exactly.
This is not a "kids will be kids" mistake like stealing or something.
 
Driver did the right thing. Besides the fact that he would get sued if he laid a hand on those kids, there are other things to consider. For example, if he had stepped in, who knows how things would have went. It could have escalated and one of those kids could have pulled a knife or something.
 
MVP said:
Snitches get stitches.

Not that I encourage this, but if you go out and try to get someone in trouble, sent to jail, foster care, away from their family, etc...how do you not expect this to happen? If you try to take someone's freedom away, this is what happens next time they see you. Of course they shouldn't be selling drugs, and I'm not saying he should have kept it to himself either, just saying when you put the two together, and then you cross paths, this happens.

Also, I'm sorry but the beating is not that brutal. I got jumped a few times in high school by grown ass manchilds, and one of the times was almost the same thing, a teacher saw it happen and just watched until the beating stopped, and then came to my aid and took me to the office. I didn't expect him to step in and potentially face a lawsuit from the kids' parents, and didn't expect this bus driver to, either.
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Stet said:
I think the distinction is important because certain things that kids do shouldn't affect the rest of their lives. That line, I believe, is drawn at violent or sexual crime.
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Are you saying that kids aren't more prone to sexual and violent behavior?

Call me crazy, but aren't those the kinds of things kids do that we are more forgiving of because of inexperience, ignorance and lack of empathy? Raging hormones and whatnot?

I thought that was exactly the kind of thing we have the distinction for.
 
riskVSreward said:
Yeah, he steps in and gets sued by the bully's parents...
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This was my first actual thought. I mean in a world where rescuers get sued by car crash victims, this is a very real possibility.

MVP said:
Snitches get stitches.

Not that I encourage this, but if you go out and try to get someone in trouble, sent to jail, foster care, away from their family, etc...how do you not expect this to happen? If you try to take someone's freedom away, this is what happens next time they see you. Of course they shouldn't be selling drugs, and I'm not saying he should have kept it to himself either, just saying when you put the two together, and then you cross paths, this happens.

Also, I'm sorry but the beating is not that brutal. I got jumped a few times in high school by grown ass manchilds, and one of the times was almost the same thing, a teacher saw it happen and just watched until the beating stopped, and then came to my aid and took me to the office. I didn't expect him to step in and potentially face a lawsuit from the kids' parents, and didn't expect this bus driver to, either.
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Nah, see thats the shit mentality thats been drilled in to kids that have nothing to lose from the people that have something to lose. Biggest hustle is that "Snitches get Stitches"mantra.
 
MVP said:
Snitches get stitches.

Not that I encourage this, but if you go out and try to get someone in trouble, sent to jail, foster care, away from their family, etc...how do you not expect this to happen? If you try to take someone's freedom away, this is what happens next time they see you. Of course they shouldn't be selling drugs, and I'm not saying he should have kept it to himself either, just saying when you put the two together, and then you cross paths, this happens.

Also, I'm sorry but the beating is not that brutal. I got jumped a few times in high school by grown ass manchilds, and one of the times was almost the same thing, a teacher saw it happen and just watched until the beating stopped, and then came to my aid and took me to the office. I didn't expect him to step in and potentially face a lawsuit from the kids' parents, and didn't expect this bus driver to, either.
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What the fuck am I reading?

Snitches get stitches? How old are you? 12?
 
If I was the bus driver, I would

1) break up the fight
2) get fired
3) make myself and the story visible on social media
4) wait for it to go viral, start AMA on Reddit
4) make kickstarter, ask for money to get life back together
5) make 3x in a month what I would of made in a year as a bus driver

cmon its the social media age ppl.
 
I hate South St Pete also , I hope the Rays move to Tampa so i never have to drive near that area again. That area needs a fence around it because most people there are scum.
 
CrocMother said:
If I was the bus driver, I would

1) break up the fight
2) get fired
3) make myself and the story visible on social media
4) wait for it to go viral, start AMA on Reddit
4) make kickstarter, ask for money to get life back together
5) make 3x in a month what I would of made in a year as a bus driver

cmon its the social media age ppl.
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lol
 
It's the school administration at fault for loading the 4 of them on the same bus. They should have been assigned to a separate bus or suspended/sent to police for questioning immediately, not sent home that day together.

MVP said:
Snitches get stitches.
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:/

MVP said:
Not that I encourage this, but if you go out and try to get someone in trouble, sent to jail, foster care, away from their family, etc...how do you not expect this to happen? If you try to take someone's freedom away, this is what happens next time they see you. Of course they shouldn't be selling drugs, and I'm not saying he should have kept it to himself either, just saying when you put the two together, and then you cross paths, this happens.
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Blaming the victim instead of the three thugs who tried to sell him drugs AND teamed up to beat him up. Bravo.

MVP said:
Also, I'm sorry but the beating is not that brutal. I got jumped a few times in high school by grown ass manchilds, and one of the times was almost the same thing, a teacher saw it happen and just watched until the beating stopped, and then came to my aid and took me to the office. I didn't expect him to step in and potentially face a lawsuit from the kids' parents, and didn't expect this bus driver to, either.
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Three on one, they could have done serious damage. As for the bus driver, simply putting himself in between the fight would have been enough to stop it. He didn't need to throw any punches, just push away - how could they sue over that? I don't think the attackers would have turned their aggression towards the driver. I understand why he didn't get involved but it was cowardly and he should be ashamed.
 
Byakuya769 said:
And yet the ability to reason isn't subjectively changed depending on the crime, hence the juvenile justice system.

Good lord, people. What happens when you try 15 year old as a adults? They spend the rest of their formative years becoming hardened criminals in prison. Bravo.
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I am against trying children as adults, too. We don't look at 15 year olds involved in statutory rape charges and say "well, this kid knew what they were doing, and therefore had an adult mind." If we think kids are too dumb to know how having a sex with an adult will affect their lives, then we have to apply that reasoning to criminals, too.

HOWEVER, these guys are probably already too far gone on the path to being career criminals, so I hope I never run into them. It takes a cold person to attack a little kid screaming for help on the ground ( I'm under the impression the attackers are older than 13, but I didn't see if they gave the ages.)
 
Uncle Rupee said:
It's the school administration at fault for loading the 4 of them on the same bus. They should have been assigned to a separate bus or suspended/sent to police for questioning immediately, not sent home that day together.
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Weren't they on their way home? I can't tell from the article in the OP.
 
riskVSreward said:
Yeah, he steps in and gets sued by the bully's parents...
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Yeah I could see that happening pretty easily. If he used any force either he could have faced criminal charges for assult on a minor.

It's sad to say, but that's the way things are nowadays. Damned if you do...damned if you don't.
 
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