beato_angelico
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hotline miami was "almost tasteless"? who is this guy again?
Hotline Miami 2's implied rape scene probes limits of player morality; authors react
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For those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beUrlDwf56w&t=1m5s
Personally I don't see the problem. The music stops and the creepy music that comes when you finish a level starts playing. You're supposed to be disgusted pretty much, until you hear the "cut" from the director, signifying that you're on a set filming a movie.
It's not glorified or anything at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beUrlDwf56w&t=1m5s
Personally I don't see the problem. The music stops and the creepy music that comes when you finish a level starts playing. You're supposed to be disgusted pretty much, until you hear the "cut" from the director, signifying that you're on a set filming a movie.
It's not glorified or anything at all.
haha so true
Frankly i happy that game devs do what they think is best for their game. There to much censorship already in games. Show rape scene in movie or book nothing happens. Do that in game and "OMG crossed the line !! call 911"
But you control games, which means this game is telling the children it's ok to rape!
This filth must be banned, I can't believe the maker of the much-lauded, kid-friendly hotline miami would stoop to this disgusting level.
EsotericManiac
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I'm going to have to allow this.
Game is too good
Game is too good
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
This is GAF, nobody reads the actual article
Not Spaceghost
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Some how I feel a rape scene in hotlime miami fits.
Yeah alright this fits perfectly, I think it was done well.
Yeah alright this fits perfectly, I think it was done well.
I'm actually surprised that something of this caliber wasn't in the original considering it was already completely fucked up. Then again I suppose pushing what's possible with your brand new ideas and people doing them is something only a sequel would be able to do after you're sure it's something the world is ready for.
I dunno. If they're going to include this kind of thing I hope there's enough context for everything around it. Killer7 was a game that had themes of rape in it, but it was subdued and worked well in the context of the story and it's overall themes.
I dunno. If they're going to include this kind of thing I hope there's enough context for everything around it. Killer7 was a game that had themes of rape in it, but it was subdued and worked well in the context of the story and it's overall themes.
again, for the top of the page
She goes into that in the actual PC Gamer article. (Not sure why CVG is linked instead of the PC Gamer page.)
She goes into that in the actual PC Gamer article. (Not sure why CVG is linked instead of the PC Gamer page.)
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Don't know why someone could be disgusted by a rape scene but be OK with the exaggerated amount of violence this game will probably have.
I'm actually bothered by the spoiler. I didn't want to know about the scene (or anything else) before I reached it on my own playthrough, thanks a lot angry article writer.
Or maybe rape is something that is more real to her than a psychopathic rampage. Its not like video games are the only media where rape is handled much differently than murder.
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clever advertising move these guys can do nothing wrong.
CaptainTiptop
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Oh, come on.
Conciliator
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There's definitely a way to do this that would appropriate to Hotline Miami's tone. But man, based on the description that sounds pretty fuckin heavy.
Based on my understanding of this guy's artistic ethos, I don't even understand why there is a Hotline Miani 2.
Based on my understanding of this guy's artistic ethos, I don't even understand why there is a Hotline Miani 2.
GribbleGrunger
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mmmm ... did you really go there?
styl3s
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It's the same reason we can't kill animals or kids in games.
It's ok to brutally murder women and men but kids/animals? rape? nope. OUTRAGEOUS
TangerineCloud
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Yeah, I can understand and sympathize with the author. Personally, it doesn't bother me, because I kind of felt like being made uncomfortable about your actions was sort of the point of the first game (or at least what I've played of it so far).
And for the people wondering about the whole rape vs. murder thing, Jim Sterling did a great video a while back on this very topic. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5972-Rape-vs-Murder
And for the people wondering about the whole rape vs. murder thing, Jim Sterling did a great video a while back on this very topic. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5972-Rape-vs-Murder
Totally agree. I didn't know anything about the story in Hotline Miami before I played it, and I enjoyed it all the more for that fact. I wish I hadn't learned about this scene as the 'impact' has now been completely removed. Shitty.
Stone Ocean
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It's clearly a movie, are these people offended by this fucking serious?
They even show the actress okay 5 seconds later, jesus christ.
phosphor112
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Good... gooooooood...
It's almost like people are forgetting what the purpose of Hotline Miami was. Also, isn't this outrage super LTTP? The fake movie rape scene was in the E3 build.
My state, lmao.
Why we should click (give them money) to read something stupid
Kenshin001
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I don't think killing a Russian mobster who would blast you with a shotgun is the same as raping a woman.
Almost looks like a commentary on the depiction of rape in games vs film, if I didn't know better!
We already are able to do that. Many games do it, in fact.
I'm talking about the violence part, at least. Shooting people and murdering them etc, it's in most videogames these days and it is considered normal.
A pair of boobies and the (US?) press is on fire though. I don't even think the average female/male cares that much. A rape scene is pretty excessive though, but that's the point of this game. It's not like its made to make people think "rape is ok" or anything.
Yeah, it definitely sucks.
PhantomOfTheKnight
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...that was it? Shoot, I had more of a problem with the love the director said when he called her "Blondie".
Man-is-Obsolete
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Nothing gets hits like outrage and controversy. The irony is it will only help raise awareness, and thus sales for Hotline Miami 2.
fluffydelusions
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Remember when MK started controversy back in the day. Or the no Russian in MW2
AkimbO_Arcana
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The violence in HM is so over the top, the chances you would experience something similar in real life are almost zero.
Rape/sexual violence is something 33% of all women experience at one point in their lifes.
Killing a station full of police then?
This is pretty much how I feel. No matter how horrible it is rape does exist and most likely always will, why in gaming are we not allowed to explore these themes when they're portrayed in books and film all the time?
I think this reaction is understandable whether you agree with it or not.
If there wasn't, it would probably mean the game didn't do its job well.
This:
I think that feeling of betrayal is exactly the point of said scene, you're not supposed to empathize with the pig character and you shouldn't "feel" for him, you should be disgusted by him, he is not your friend.
I think those scenes in HL1 meant exactly that, you can't stop or control the violence, this revenge is out of your control.
Of course if that's too much to handle emotionally, for you, that's fine; i'm not saying people shouldn't express their feelings on the matter, i'm saying that feeling uncomfortable was most likely the point of the scene.
I don't think Hotline Miami is just trying to look cool and edgy, so to speak.
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Anyway i know the discussion will go in horrible places, so i might as well bail out now.
If there wasn't, it would probably mean the game didn't do its job well.
This:
Happened in Hotline Miami 1, too (though it was murder in that case) where the game took control from you and murdered a defenseless npc.
I think that feeling of betrayal is exactly the point of said scene, you're not supposed to empathize with the pig character and you shouldn't "feel" for him, you should be disgusted by him, he is not your friend.
I think those scenes in HL1 meant exactly that, you can't stop or control the violence, this revenge is out of your control.
Of course if that's too much to handle emotionally, for you, that's fine; i'm not saying people shouldn't express their feelings on the matter, i'm saying that feeling uncomfortable was most likely the point of the scene.
I don't think Hotline Miami is just trying to look cool and edgy, so to speak.
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Anyway i know the discussion will go in horrible places, so i might as well bail out now.
Well, can't say anything about that until we play it for ourselves. But if the scene resembles anything from the previous games I'll feel like there's a lot of reaching here. Because the cutscenes were ridiculously dumb.
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