Nintendo Downloads - August 2013
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It's possible for Wii U's VC to be better than Wii's and still be bad. Ideally, the service should feel like it's got a varied and full lineup. Instead it often seems like it's playing catch-up.
Mileena isn't alone in complaining, either; there was a popular Miiverse post asking Nintendo not to do the trickle method right from when Miiverse started. If you look at the Vegas Stakes community you'd also see a ton of complaints. Japanese VC communities also tend to have a lot of "why don't we have this?" posts from foreigners.
From a brief check on Wikipedia, it seems that there are nearly two thousand releases between NES, SNES, and N64. I'm sure that's enough of a library between just those consoles to release at least one solid game a week for at least three years. It would involve dealing with third parties, sure - but if Nintendo wants their shop to be successful, isn't that on them to do?
On that note, is there any evidence yet that the Wii U VC will feature as many systems as Wii VC did? Before the system launched, I had foolishly hoped that I could play The Last Blade on the Gamepad after buying it for Wii. There's no Neo Geo games at all yet. Even if we can't get the GameCube or the Dreamcast, surely we can get newer Neo Geo titles. Surely VC Arcade can come back and introduce Capcom Play System titles. Right?
Mileena isn't alone in complaining, either; there was a popular Miiverse post asking Nintendo not to do the trickle method right from when Miiverse started. If you look at the Vegas Stakes community you'd also see a ton of complaints. Japanese VC communities also tend to have a lot of "why don't we have this?" posts from foreigners.
From a brief check on Wikipedia, it seems that there are nearly two thousand releases between NES, SNES, and N64. I'm sure that's enough of a library between just those consoles to release at least one solid game a week for at least three years. It would involve dealing with third parties, sure - but if Nintendo wants their shop to be successful, isn't that on them to do?
On that note, is there any evidence yet that the Wii U VC will feature as many systems as Wii VC did? Before the system launched, I had foolishly hoped that I could play The Last Blade on the Gamepad after buying it for Wii. There's no Neo Geo games at all yet. Even if we can't get the GameCube or the Dreamcast, surely we can get newer Neo Geo titles. Surely VC Arcade can come back and introduce Capcom Play System titles. Right?
Ketzal's Corridors and Minis on the Move are okay, but for non-Crashmo puzzle games I'd recommend Art of Balance Touch and Witch's Cat. DSiware also has tons of great puzzle games to check out. I'm currently addicted to Art Style: Zengage. Snapdots, Mighty Flip Champs, and the Rabi Laby games are superb, as well.
Only N64 and GBA (!) games have been announced to be coming to Wii U VC so far.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Launch aligned makes sense because most of us are speaking as near-launch Wii U owners and our criticism of the VC is a proxy for our feelings on the Wii U library as a whole. If you don't agree with that or aren't a near-launch Wii U owner, that's cool of course, but that's the basis on which many people are speaking.
Obviously any criticism of the VC is going to be moot 5 years later. I think the Wii VC was relatively poorly managed, but obviously by the end it amounted to a pretty good service. But mostly when someone says the Wii U VC sucks, they mean it sucks right now.
And it may be the case that on a per-week basis it's releasing a comparable number of titles than the Wii VC, but most of us were much more satisfied with the Wii VC just after launch than we are with the Wii U VC just after launch. In quality, in quantity, in the variety of platforms supported. I know I was a Nintendo kid growing up, so playing Gunstar Heroes on the Genesis VC was an amazing experience. And
I've bought all the 30 cent titles and upgraded a fair few, and Earthbound is a huge get and no one would downplay that. But also I don't think the offering is great right now. I don't like the drip-feed method. I don't like that Wii VC titles aren't available on Wii U. It's just a bummer.
So my stance is:
- Nintendo should have ran the VC from day one of the console and the fact that they launched late suggests that they still don't have stuff under control
- Nintendo should abandon the drip feed method
- If they don't abandon the drip feed method, they should focus on non-garbage. Define non-garbage as you will.
- They should push for many titles per week.
- New titles are great, upgrade titles are great, it's all great!
- They should launch new platforms as rapidly as possible
- Where the fuck is Actraiser?
Well Hudson doesn't exist anymore, so I suspect the TG-16 stuff ain't gonna happen. Sega is not the company it was in 2006 so I'm not sure Sega stuff will happen. We could at least get N64 though
Find me a better service for buying and playing retro console games.
Square Enix needs to get off its ass and release some damn Enix games ... it's a crime. Literally. 6-n-the-morning-police-at-your-door-type o'shit.
The way Sony does it is much better. Buy game once, use on PS3/PSV/PSP without paying again, do not dripfeed games again when new system comes out (Vita got like 100+ titles on day one of the PS1 classics update, as opposed to the 8 Wii U VC titles available on day one)
But I'm sure someone will still argue Nintendo's way of handling classics is better, there always is.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
I will say I wish Sony had better QA with their PS1 releases. A few releases still have well documented, game breaking bugs. I do wish I could buy once and play on anything. Hell, I'd pay a higher entry fee if that were the case.
Not sure I follow on the Sega/Hudson thing. Not sure how Sega's change in direction affects VC, nor why Nintendo couldn't try to go through Konami instead of Hudson.
I think the reason people dislike the "drip feed" method is that it isn't being handled properly.
Would you prefer if I were to say that all the services are bad? I'm not saying that I don't like to play games on VC or that I'm going to boycott it for some silly reason. I'm saying that there are significant flaws in it as it exists now.
Just like with retail releases, VC would be best if it kept up a constant rate of interesting software. That would maintain people's interest in the service. Furthermore, if the service doesn't offer anything new, it can't expect to attract people. Off-TV play and customizable controls are great, but I think new VC games (e.g. EarthBound) are a bigger deal.
Where the fuck is Illusion of Gaia?
Where the fuck is Brain Lord?
Where the fuck is E.V.O?
I think the reason people dislike the "drip feed" method is that it isn't being handled properly.
Would you prefer if I were to say that all the services are bad? I'm not saying that I don't like to play games on VC or that I'm going to boycott it for some silly reason. I'm saying that there are significant flaws in it as it exists now.
Just like with retail releases, VC would be best if it kept up a constant rate of interesting software. That would maintain people's interest in the service. Furthermore, if the service doesn't offer anything new, it can't expect to attract people. Off-TV play and customizable controls are great, but I think new VC games (e.g. EarthBound) are a bigger deal.
Where the fuck is Illusion of Gaia?
Where the fuck is Brain Lord?
Where the fuck is E.V.O?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I'm in no way at all defending Nintendo's constant bullshit with the VC, but the amount of time it took EU to get the Spyro games is nothing short of criminal. And there was that time they put Crash 2 up, took it down due to an error, and put it back up two years later. And for a long time, half the PS1 Classics catalogue on the EU PSN were Disney Interactive titles. So yeah, much better way they do cross-console with their content, but don't act like their ass is sparkly clean.
You come off as very jaded for someone called Mileena.
Glass Rebel
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incredible
What would be nice is if NCL allowed Wii Mode games to have "hotlinks" (?) on the Wii U menu -- allowing them to be clicked and started directly in Wii Mode, with Wii Mode exiting tied to jumping back to the Wii U menu.
I should be -possible-, I would think... folks said some of the Wii service disks had "autostart" programming...
I should be -possible-, I would think... folks said some of the Wii service disks had "autostart" programming...
I'm wondering if someone missed the pun...
Is that one extra click so much work, though? Sure they could do that probably but even if I sat there with all the power in the 'verse and say "why bother? you save one click."
Colonel Mustard
Banned
To be honest, yes.
The WiiU eShop should be treated like the 3DS eShop as well. I would have played more than ten minutes of La Mulana if it worked like this.
Can we keep this stuff out of here?
Just to make it clear, not saying that wouldn't be cool.
I hope their integration of their handheld and console divisions bears its fruits in the Fall FW update. 3DS does some things Wii U still doesn't do, for example. And those are things that are clearly not impossible. Ah well, but that doesn't really have anything to do with downloads
I think the counter argument to this is "well it doesn't have Mario." But if you take the content itself aside and look at the system itself, yeah Sony shits on everyone else. Not just for the reasons you listed, but because their pipeline for 3rd party developers is much more efficient and you can push through something if you want, without fear of Nintendo's scheduling, etc.
In general, when it comes to digital, Sony has decided to flood the market and let consumers decide what rises to the top, and that's part of the reason why Microsoft's rigid policies have crumbled these past few years and Nintendo's spotlighting approach has left everyone frustrated.
I've always blamed that motley crew of old gits, with their medievil "We must reinvent the wheel ways", that Iwata has surrounded himself with, i.e the current board. They need a central "focal" point for all their hardware to connect to instead of launching their services every time the release new hardware.
It's this "starting at square one" bollocks each time that's screwing all this up. NCL should be moving onto N64/Gamecube titles or even Wii remakes now. Instead, I'm still waiting for Terranigma and Secret of Evermore. :-/
Fuck you, Konami!Well Hudson doesn't exist anymore, so I suspect the TG-16 stuff ain't gonna happen. Sega is not the company it was in 2006 so I'm not sure Sega stuff will happen. We could at least get N64 though
terrisus
Member
Guile's theme goes with everything...
Sony has the service down to a pat, Nintendo has the back catalog to make it something truly special. That Sony/Nintendo console would be so good man.
Square Enix is waiting for your emails then.
Btw, I'm eagerly waiting for those exact same games.
It would be a massacre. Not in the way that it would tear up sales charts but in that two completely different company philosophies would be tearing each other to shreds.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
They'll release it on 3DS a month earlier and hope that you'll be weak enough and double dip in the end.
I already know I will 
That was announced to be coming soon in last week's ND.
I knew there had to be a catch. Quintet. ;_;
They'll release it on 3DS a month earlier and hope that you'll be weak enough and double dip in the end.I already know I will
Joke's on them, I don't have a 3DS.
But I want it now
Colonel Mustard
Banned
They should dump large swathes of games at a time and put up sales and promotions to help give titles the spotlight. Some games could be drip fed though, use other games as incentives for bigger releases.
We shouldn't have just got Galaga last week. They should have made it SHMUP week or something. Like, buy Recca and get Galaga, Xevious or Twinbee free or something. Not only would it spotlight an anticipated game, but it would have drummed up some interest in those other games as well.
We shouldn't have just got Galaga last week. They should have made it SHMUP week or something. Like, buy Recca and get Galaga, Xevious or Twinbee free or something. Not only would it spotlight an anticipated game, but it would have drummed up some interest in those other games as well.
Well, next week is Street Fighter II week.
Ein Bear
Member
I have to give Nintendo the nod over Sony for digital releases, simply because they've finally started releasing proper 60hz versions of their games here in Europe. Sony still stubbornly cling to their crap, 50hz versions.
100% agree that the Wii U's Virtual Console so far has been awful though.
100% agree that the Wii U's Virtual Console so far has been awful though.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Mario Golf GBC is absolutely the best downloadable game for 3DS that isn't Zelda.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
The Crash Bandicoot and Spyro PS1 games can't be played on a NA Vita (unless you use an EU account).
That would be like, Mario games not being playable or something while everything else was.
And it STILL isn't out in Europe.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo celebrates its 125th anniversary next year. How about a £1.25, 12.5% off, £12.50 off, £12.50 for games promotions...
The 3DS can't emulate SNES games?
malingenie
Member
Flawless Victory
terrisus
Member
Regardless of whether it can or not, there are currently no SNES games available for the 3DS VC, making the question easy to answer by that reasoning.
Sega supported the Wii VC heavier than any other publisher, including Nintendo, and all of their more ambitious releases--the English version of Monster World 4, the online-enabled versions of Puyo and Street Fighter, etc--came out within the last year or two of the Wii VC's lifespan, long after pretty much everyone else had abandoned it. I have absolutely no doubt that they're gonna hit the Wii U VC hard, just as soon as Nintendo gives 'em the green light.
Wii U | Virtual Console
- Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (Capcom | Super NES | $7.99) Upcoming (08/22)
- Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting (Capcom | Super NES | $7.99) Upcoming (08/22)
- Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers (Capcom | Super NES | $7.99) Upcoming (08/22)
Infernal Monkey
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Box of Bunnies
Banned
They're waiting for GBA VC for Mario 3 so they can do the Mario Advance version with the eReader stages/features available.
Hahaha ;_;
Hahaha ;_;