demosthenes
Member
Should have been the first rresponse.
Reggie Fils-Aime on Xbox One/PS4 lineups: "Meh"
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Should have been the first rresponse.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Three of them are eShop titles and two of them are jrpgs from a third party. It says more about Nintendo.
Dude, I get what your saying and all, but this is the internet brah... Dudebro's don;t play Wii's and you can clearly see the divide between the console junkies here and everywhere.
Unfortunately, I outgrew most Nin. IPs and don't find them interesting anymore. I have two Wii's in my house that have become dust magnets, I have about 3 GBAs, 3 GB SPs, 2 DSi's and 3 DS's in my house. I bought a VITA instead of a 3DS and love the thing and may buy a 3DS soon as well just to play jrpgs again because there are none on VITA that I haven't played yet (not talking about PSP/PS1 titles.) So with that being said, if their software line-up was intriguing and they got a ton of console jrpgs, I might bite just for the off-screen gameplay alone, however, as it stands, I can do that on my VITA and there are no polorizing titles on Wii-U for me to pick one up.
Oh and KZ:Shadowfall looks amazing, KI is a joke of a FTP game, Forza and Driveclub both look like fun as well even though I;m not bg into racers...
Yeah i was hoping this thread would have more replies like yours. But i learned to deal with it by just not entering these threads anymore. But i was hoping it would have changed. I can also see where you are coming from people want different experiences during there gameplay time.
I used to start with a commadore and PC back in the days. I have had a lot of hours with Quake and Unreal and stuff. But i kinda grew tired of most shooters and want more platforming games. This is what Nintendo is giving me over the years. Also i kinda start disliking serious games with their epic explosions and stories.
I want to have fun when i play games i want them to make me feel like a child again. and sadly most of the next gen don't over me that KI for example looks nothing like i loved on the snes. Knack doesnt look like its up to my ally. Rime looks alright but don't know what to expect from the gameplay. sadly that is probably the only game out there on next gen that looks interesting to me that i cant play on pc. But these are just launches, learned my lesson to not buy at launch a long time ago.
Because he's wanting to sell Nintendo consoles this year, presumeably. What does last years launch line up matter now, when WiiU is going up against PS4/XBone this fall?
Do you really not get how advertising/PR work? Were you expecting Nintendo to never promote their console again on the basis that it bombed hard in its first year?
ab.aeterno
Member
Ugh, Jesu Christo. Absolutely not. Don't tell me you're one of those filthy C++ casuals?
What leads you to that conclusion? Have we ever had any reason to believe it's not Yoshida making those tweets? Is it not really Kamiya then on his? Why won't you give the benefit of the doubt, especially with literally no evidence to the contrary?
That makes more sense in the context of what you're saying. Gamer is a very broad term that arguably means "a person that plays games." If you want to specifically discuss hardcore gamers, add that distinction in to your posts for clarity's sake.
I still disagree that liking games with a stronger emphasis on graphics or story dictates your status as core it casual gamer, however.
SymbolicGamer
Banned
Hardcore gamers are people who are passionate about the games. They're dedicated. Casual gamers are people who play games, but aren't fanatical about them.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the style of games people enjoy.
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
WiiU's launch is a moot point as a true consumer. Cannot play both sides of the coin. On one hand you cannot say "Even at $300 the WiiU is still overpriced. I do not care if they sell it for a loss, it is still too expensive". Then say "Well look at WiiU's launch lineup a year ago. Not so hot". First you are talking as a true consumer with the value of YOUR money then the second quote has nothing to do with value but more to do with an expectation that the PS4/One being a year behind they will get an extra year in the future to make up for it: which really makes no sense. There is no allotted console cycle time. The WiiU coming out first has nothing to do with value besides the fact that Nintendo has had their system out longer which is a positive not a negative.
If you are talking as a "consumer" first and foremost, it is about the present and the future. I cannot go back and say well the 360 came out first. That is a moot point as a consumer and a silly arguement. What is important are the titles that are out at this current time and the upcoming line ups.
Neuromancer
Member
Anyone else kind of feel bad for the guy? Well except for the part where he makes something like 10 times my salary. It's not like he makes any significant hardware or software decisions.
freezamite
Banned
Not at all. It's not about the tastes, I don't like basketball games but that doesn't mean that someone is a casual because he likes them.
But if someone plays videogames because he enjoys the beautiful CGI and doesn't like complex mechanichs... then of course he is a casual.
Or are you being condescending calling my grandma a casual because she plays videogames in order to beat sudokus?
That's the traditional meaning, and that's because when games where mostly games, people who enjoyed them were also people that mastered it's mechanics. Ones who were interested in Pac-man were interested on being better with the game, not on how beautiful was that yellow dot.SymbolicGamer said:
Of course, casual players were at that time people that played pac-man occasionally. It was fun but not something worth much of their time.
Nowadays this is different because games have expanded the market in order to reach more people. I'm pretty sure that my mother has spent more time with her NDS than myself. There was a time where she was hooked on Brain Training, also because of the thousands and thousands of sudokus there were on those games. Is my mother a hardcore gamer? Of course she isn't, my mother wasn't interested on video-games but on sudokus. She was a hardcore of sudokus, but not a hardcore gamer by any means.
The same goes for those ONLY interested on things such as graphics, or the plot of a game. That doesn't mean that there can't be players interested in both things, but of course, to be a hardcore gamer the priority has to be the game mechanics.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
If you're going into published territory, Nintendo looks even worse compared to the competition (Microsoft and Sony), that's all. Honestly, there's not much to discuss. Nintendo is a company that relies heavily on old IPs and characters. The other two companies have a much better track record of creating new franchises.
chickdigger802
Banned
this holiday is gonna be somewhat interesting imo. Wii U does have a fair amount of exclusive stuff.
xbone/ps4 have pretty decent lineup's but the 'meh' for me is that most of the games are also on current gen and pc.
xbone/ps4 have pretty decent lineup's but the 'meh' for me is that most of the games are also on current gen and pc.
Not how it works....
You are a casual because you play casually, has nothing to do with how you play everything to do with how much you play.
If someone has played every single Final Fantasy just for the story but didnt understand the deep mechanics at all that doesnt make someone casual.
Edit:
Although within each genre you can be casual despite playing a lot of it, like i play fighting games a lot, probably would consider myself good at them. but im casual in that i dont play that competitively.
I was referring to the blanket statement of someone being casual.
No, exactly because of what he makes and how little of it he deserves.
TheJollyCorner
Member
WiiU. A circus of value.
Brainiac 8
Member
Not just published...owned.
Does that mean since Namco are developing Smash Bros, it isn't a Nintendo IP?
Nintendo creates new IPs and they use their second parties to make them for them. They are still new IPs created and owned by Nintendo.
With that said, yes, Nintendo does rely on old IPs, but they would be stupid not to, the old IPs make them money and lots of it. Plus if the games are good, who cares if it's part of an old franchise or not.
Also, practically every developer now is relying on for sure money makers. That is just the way things are now with the rise in development costs and such.
So first response should have ignored the point Reggie was raising, & instead pointed to an unrelated fact to distract from the topic?
I'd have chuckled 
Srsly tho, I'm not saying Reggie is correct (how can he be, it's subjective) but I don't see why so many are getting so defensive and launching into an attack on WiiU instead of discussing why they think he's wrong.
Reminds me of a kids reaction:
"I think my backpack is cooler than yours"
"Yeah but you're a doo-doo head"
"...That's not even related to wh-"
"DOO-DOO HEAD DOO-DOO HEAD"!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It just proves Reggie's subjective opinion. And incites that reaction. In this regard I would say he succeeded.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
That's exactly the reason I'm holding off for now.
To paraphrase comments made about Batman: Armoured Edition on Wii U one year ago, "Why would I buy a PS4/XB1 to play this when I can already play it on my existing systems?"
This is not to say that Nintendo didn't have a completely terrible first year of the Wii U themselves - they did - and Reggie probably has no room to talk, but take away the cross-gen games like Watch Dogs, CoD, and Battlefield and there's a complete lack of "Wow! I gotta play this now!" for me at the moment.
cascardian
Member
So true, but why does Reggie talk as if the Wii U launch is still going to happen, you know, instead of having already happened. Right this moment, out of the major franchises mentioned, they only have Mario out. The Wii U launch was an absolute disaster and their sales so far are a joke. The Wii was an interesting novelty and did have massively fun games (together with a lot of shovelware crap), I'll grant that, but if it is indeed all about the games for them... then, well, they haven't really been delivering up until now, have they?
I also wonder if we'll see another Metroid any time soon, after the last one that shall go unnamed was an unmitigated failure.
Canis lupus
Member
Reggie what would you call WiiUs launch lineup? Thats right, WiiU wasted an entire year waiting for the heavy hitters and they'll only slowly start to come out.
I have been gaming for 20 years, I have at least some idea. Microsoft has been the one to push the dudebro agenda big time because obviously that's what sells here. We love our crap, and crap they shall give.
Sony gets many of those games, but it also pushes for a wider diversity of content, especially exclusive content. Microsoft's first party content, what little is there, tends to lean towards the grey brown kill people crowd.
This from a guy who's first console of the previous generation was a 360 (which at it's launch had a much much better diversity of games, some of which were *gasp*, single player!) And then I bought a wii and then a ps3 last due to cost. That being said I would say a large portion of the second half of the 360/ps3/wii era was pretty garbage (some amazing wii and ps3 exclusives aside, and not counting portables here which are killin it). The grey brown AAA dudebro DLC fest seems to be smoothly going into this next generation which is a shame. At least nintendo is still trying to make *gamey* games. Out of all the consoles at the moment the Wii U looks the most promising in the near term, with ps4 next in line and the dudebro box a distant third (although I amj likely to get that at some point as well).
Still completely off the mark.
Lets go through microsofts current first party lineup shall we?
Killer instinct - colorful FTP fighting game
Crimson dragon - colorful rail shooter ala panzer dragoon.
Dead Rising 3 - dark comedic zombie action game
Forza - sim style racer
Ryse - likely utter crap and deserves scorn but not a grey/brown shooter.
And while they are the pioneers of present day first person shooters thanks to halo. Halo is arguably one of the most colorful and saturated shooters in the genre.
You are right about the DLC crap though. Honestly it feels weird defending Microsoft here. Seeing as the 360 was my primary console but after the crap they pulled with always on I have a ps4 preordered and no plans right now to get a new Xbox.
With that said though your hyperbole and overstatements about Microsoft borders on delusion. Microsoft may have been horrendous when it came to managing first party studios( cough, rare, cough) and bad for the industry in many ways(also brought some good things too) but to say it just pushed out grey/brown shooters is waaaayy off the mark. I further implore you to actually go look at the list of 360 exclusives and first party Microsoft games coming up and previously and then come back here and tell me they are all grey/brown shooters.
flyinpiranha
Member
Was just thinking this. Other companies definitely have sequel-itis but I can't think of a single Nintendo system that couldn't copy/past that line.
I thought he was adressing a question about the competition this year... PS4 and Xbone aren't competing with 2012 Wii U's lineup and Nintendo isn't launching the same games 2 years in a raw.
People are so outraged sometimes...
that doesnt change the fact that you cannot subjectively eliminate from the list of Nintendo new IP the games that for you "don't count".
if you have to look at Nintendo offer in terms of new IPs, and if you are so confident about the superiority of other two companies, just be ernest in listing Nintendo actual offering efforts
Me too I think that N relies more on classic franchises than other companies, and offer less new IPs every gen, but it's arbitrary to see the new IPs they actually offer ditched for whatever subject reasons (that's just eshop game! that's from second party! that's not AAA budget game! and other escuses)
it's more that those uninterested or critic on Nintendo offering knows only (or best) their classic franchises, honestly, not aknowleding what they really offer maybe to justify their disinterest
freezamite
Banned
Someone that has played every single Final Fantasy because of the story, of course, is not interested on playing but on READING.
Lets put another example. Do you think that a girl who watches every single match of FC Bayern because she likes Philipp Lahm is a football "harcore"? It doesn't matter if she watches more matches than me, she watches them not because of football but because of Lahm, and she is of course not interested in tactics, in who plays and where, but on Philipp Lahm. She could be called a Philipp Lahm hardcore, but not a hardcore of football.
The same goes with your example. Those who play FF because of the plot are not hardcore gamers even if aren't interested on the gaming mechanichs. They can be called hardcore readers, that enjoy their read between some sessions of obliged gameplay. Maybe the fact that they control the character makes them more immersed on the story and that's why they don't buy a book, but the goal here is to read, not to play, and that's what matters when it comes to define a hardcore gamer.
Wow wtf, I hate this totally detached opinions from Reggie and other companies representatives. I mean he is clearly doing the PR bid for Nintendo, but he must know the shit he speaks of. I'm sure the Reggie meme fits in here niceless, but it's starting to piss me off. I know that they have to show this image, but I'm staring to think they actually believe this bullshit. They actually believe there is Zelda and MArio and Donkey Kong on the WiiU. Is he nuts or just deliberatly stupid. I bought the WiiU on day 1, loved the experience from ZombiU, but ever since that launch day I had never ever felt the need to buy a new game until Pikmin 3 and now with Wonderful 101. They have literally NO games for the system and the only big title coming this holiday season is a remake.
Reggie is completly right about the games. He is right that Zelda MArio Donkey would helpo them sell, mke them more applealing, but don't they have to actually show or have the actual games he is boasting about for it to matter. On launch day alone both PS4/XBO have better and more interesting games in many genres than Nintendo has on its 1 year console. 3DS does not count here at all. And he can't seriously be boasting about the Wii launch this long after. Even then zelda was a gamecube port.
Fuck Reggie and Nintendo for being so clueless.
Neff
Member
When next gen's library basically boils down to the same shooters, sports, racing, and gritty open world games that have comprised the bulk of current gen titles to the point of gluttony, and indie games which more often than not amount to little more than abstract tech demos with experimental, finite gameplay, he has a point. But sadly, this is the only direction next gen can go in. And if Reggie was working for Sony or MS, I'm sure he'd be championing those genres and mocking Wii U mercilessly.
But he doesn't. He works for Nintendo. And Nintendo can at least say they've got what they've always had. Fun, varied, content-packed, old-fashioned action games that don't take themselves seriously.
Resplendent Elk
Banned
Many would say I hit the target, I certainly don't expect everyone to think I did.
Killer instinct is a shell of its former self, and lacks all the character of the originals and is not a full retail release but some weirdop hybrid f2p/demo nickel and dime "game".
Crimson Dragon I am aware of and will gladly get when it comes out, which won't be launch
.Forza is a racing sim, both have these, and they are ok I guess? Would love to see more racers like Extreme G, Wipeout, Waverace, etc.
Dead Rising 3 lost much of it's charm from the original from what I and many others have deduced. It used to be a far more colorful game, and instead looks like "another zombie game", again, I guess that's ok? Kinda luke warm to me and many others.
Ryse is a clearly a grey brown QTE stinker, no need to go further.
Crimson Dragon is the closest "gamey" colorful different game you mentioned and that isn't coming out for awhile. We agree on DLC
. I think games should be complete experiences on a disc that you own, with content that is unlocked by beating it and mastering it in certain ways. I am all for meaty physical release "expansions" though. As for grey brown shooters, that is there bread and butter, and can be expected to be so going forward. You can even take the word shooter out, and your still left with drab bland (any yes, grey brown) looking western releases. That's just how it is. Gamers tastes have gotten a lot worse over the years, and MS has spearheaded by far more abhorrent practices than anything good. (I believe they have the best gamepad however, and really innovated on that front)
Well he's kinda right. With all the games released on the Wii U this past year, they have the biggest library this holiday season. On top of that, Nintendo are releasing just as many new exclusives (if not more) as Sony and Microsoft.
Just off the top of my head, I've tried to write up a little rundown on the games that you could consider valid arguments for buying the system. I'm considering titles that one system has over the other two an exclusive for the purpose of direct comparison. Aside from these, there are multiplatform games from 3 major publishers: Activision, EA and Ubisoft, and a few smaller ones. Underlined games are coming to the Wii U as well as PS3 and XBox 360, but not the PS4 nor XBox One. I'm trying not to forget anything important, but I'll admit to a certain degree of bias when it comes to the games I know about. I hope you can forgive me if I forget anything.
XBox One:
* Crimson Dragon
* Dead Rising 3
* Forza Motorsport 5
* Ryse: Son of Rome
* Killer Instinct
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* NBA 2K14
Playstation 4:
* Driveclub
* Killzone: Shadow Fall
* Knack
* The Playroom
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* NBA 2K14
Wii U:
* Nintendoland
* New Super Mario Bros. U
* Scribblenauts Unlimited
* Zombi U
* Lego City Undercover
* Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
* New Super Luigi U
* Pikmin 3
* The Wonderful 101
* Scribblenauts Unmasked
* The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
* Wii Party U
* Sonic Lost Worlds
* Super Mario 3D World
* Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
* Mario and Sonic at the Sochi Olympic Winter Games 2014
* Wii Fit U
* Splinter Cell Blacklist
* Disney Infinity
* Rayman Legends
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Tallying this leaves me with the following result:
* The XBox One library counts 18 relevant games this holiday season, 5 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The PS4 library counts 17 relevant games this holiday season, 4 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The Wii U library counts 29 relevant games this holiday season, 21 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
As mentioned above, I'm sorry if I've forgotten anything. In light of what I know, the Wii U has the strongest lineup this fall (mostly because of the games that came out over the last year, but if you haven't bought the system yet, those are equally new to you).
Oh, and sorry for the long post
Edit: Rechecked and corrected some data.
Just off the top of my head, I've tried to write up a little rundown on the games that you could consider valid arguments for buying the system. I'm considering titles that one system has over the other two an exclusive for the purpose of direct comparison. Aside from these, there are multiplatform games from 3 major publishers: Activision, EA and Ubisoft, and a few smaller ones. Underlined games are coming to the Wii U as well as PS3 and XBox 360, but not the PS4 nor XBox One. I'm trying not to forget anything important, but I'll admit to a certain degree of bias when it comes to the games I know about. I hope you can forgive me if I forget anything.
XBox One:
* Crimson Dragon
* Dead Rising 3
* Forza Motorsport 5
* Ryse: Son of Rome
* Killer Instinct
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* NBA 2K14
Playstation 4:
* Driveclub
* Killzone: Shadow Fall
* Knack
* The Playroom
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* NBA 2K14
Wii U:
* Nintendoland
* New Super Mario Bros. U
* Scribblenauts Unlimited
* Zombi U
* Lego City Undercover
* Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
* New Super Luigi U
* Pikmin 3
* The Wonderful 101
* Scribblenauts Unmasked
* The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
* Wii Party U
* Sonic Lost Worlds
* Super Mario 3D World
* Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
* Mario and Sonic at the Sochi Olympic Winter Games 2014
* Wii Fit U
* Splinter Cell Blacklist
* Disney Infinity
* Rayman Legends
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Tallying this leaves me with the following result:
* The XBox One library counts 18 relevant games this holiday season, 5 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The PS4 library counts 17 relevant games this holiday season, 4 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The Wii U library counts 29 relevant games this holiday season, 21 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
As mentioned above, I'm sorry if I've forgotten anything. In light of what I know, the Wii U has the strongest lineup this fall (mostly because of the games that came out over the last year, but if you haven't bought the system yet, those are equally new to you).
Oh, and sorry for the long post
Edit: Rechecked and corrected some data.
Resplendent Elk
Banned
Well he's kinda right. With all the games released on the Wii U this past year, they have the biggest library this holiday season. On top of that, Nintendo are releasing just as many new exclusives (if not more) as Sony and Microsoft.
Just off the top of my head, I've tried to write up a little rundown on the games that you could consider valid arguments for buying the system. I'm considering titles that one system has over the other two an exclusive for the purpose of direct comparison. Aside from these, there are multiplatform games from 3 major publishers: Activision, EA and Ubisoft, and a few smaller ones. Underlined games are coming to the Wii U as well as PS3 and XBox 360, but not the PS4 nor XBox One. I'm trying not to forget anything important, but I'll admit to a certain degree of bias when it comes to the games I know about. I hope you can forgive me if I forget anything.
XBox One:
* Crimson Dragon
* Dead Rising 3
* Forza Motorsport 5
* Ryse: Son of Rome
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Playstation 4:
* Driveclub
* Killzone: Shadow Fall
* Knack
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Wii U:
* Nintendoland
* New Super Mario Bros. U
* Scribblenauts Unlimited
* Zombi U
* Lego City Undercover
* Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
* New Super Luigi U
* Pikmin 3
* The Wonderful 101
* Scribblenauts Unmasked
* The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
* Wii Party U
* Sonic Lost Worlds
* Super Mario 3D World
* Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
* Mario and Sonic at the Sochi Olympic Winter Games 2014
* Wii Fit U
* Splinter Cell Blacklist
* Disney Infinity
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Tallying this leaves me with the following result:
* The XBox One library counts 17 relevant games this holiday season, 4 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The PS4 library counts 16 relevant games this holiday season, 3 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The Wii U library counts 28 relevant games this holiday season, 20 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
As mentioned above, I'm sorry if I've forgotten anything. In light of what I know, the Wii U has the strongest lineup this fall (mostly because of the games that came out over the last year, but if you haven't bought the system yet, those are equally new to you).
Oh, and sorry for the long post
Sorry for quoting such a beast of a post, but you are right on the money!
shinobi602
Member
Someone could say the same thing about Nintendo games. The same Zelda formulas, another Mario platformer, Mario Karts, Mario Parties, etc. And I think it's nuts to call indie games we're seeing today "abstract tech demos". Ridiculous. There is more than enough variety in the PS4/Xbox One library for gamers of all types.
Well he's kinda right. With all the games released on the Wii U this past year, they have the biggest library this holiday season. On top of that, Nintendo are releasing just as many new exclusives (if not more) as Sony and Microsoft.
Just off the top of my head, I've tried to write up a little rundown on the games that you could consider valid arguments for buying the system. I'm considering titles that one system has over the other two an exclusive for the purpose of direct comparison. Aside from these, there are multiplatform games from 3 major publishers: Activision, EA and Ubisoft, and a few smaller ones. Underlined games are coming to the Wii U as well as PS3 and XBox 360, but not the PS4 nor XBox One. I'm trying not to forget anything important, but I'll admit to a certain degree of bias when it comes to the games I know about. I hope you can forgive me if I forget anything.
XBox One:
* Crimson Dragon
* Dead Rising 3
* Forza Motorsport 5
* Ryse: Son of Rome
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Playstation 4:
* Driveclub
* Killzone: Shadow Fall
* Knack
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Battlefield 4
* Maddden NFL 25
* FIFA 14
* NBA Live 14
* Need for Speed: Rivals
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Wii U:
* Nintendoland
* New Super Mario Bros. U
* Scribblenauts Unlimited
* Zombi U
* Lego City Undercover
* Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
* New Super Luigi U
* Pikmin 3
* The Wonderful 101
* Scribblenauts Unmasked
* The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
* Wii Party U
* Sonic Lost Worlds
* Super Mario 3D World
* Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
* Mario and Sonic at the Sochi Olympic Winter Games 2014
* Wii Fit U
* Splinter Cell Blacklist
* Disney Infinity
* Batman: Arkham Origins
* Call of Duty: Ghosts
* Skylanders: Swap Force
* Rayman Legends
* Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
* Watch Dogs
* Just Dance 2014
* Lego Marvel Superheroes
* Batman: Arkham Origins
Tallying this leaves me with the following result:
* The XBox One library counts 17 relevant games this holiday season, 4 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The PS4 library counts 16 relevant games this holiday season, 3 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The Wii U library counts 28 relevant games this holiday season, 20 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
As mentioned above, I'm sorry if I've forgotten anything. In light of what I know, the Wii U has the strongest lineup this fall (mostly because of the games that came out over the last year, but if you haven't bought the system yet, those are equally new to you).
Oh, and sorry for the long post
Thanks for the great post! I myself have gotten tired of posting lists, but this shows the difference pretty clearly.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Well he's kinda right. With all the games released on the Wii U this past year, they have the biggest library this holiday season. On top of that, Nintendo are releasing just as many new exclusives (if not more) as Sony and Microsoft.
Just off the top of my head, I've tried to write up a little rundown on the games that you could consider valid arguments for buying the system. I'm considering titles that one system has over the other two an exclusive for the purpose of direct comparison. Aside from these, there are multiplatform games from 3 major publishers: Activision, EA and Ubisoft, and a few smaller ones. Underlined games are coming to the Wii U as well as PS3 and XBox 360, but not the PS4 nor XBox One. I'm trying not to forget anything important, but I'll admit to a certain degree of bias when it comes to the games I know about. I hope you can forgive me if I forget anything.
* The PS4 library counts 17 relevant games this holiday season, 4 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
* The Wii U library counts 29 relevant games this holiday season, 21 of which you can't get on either of the other two systems.
As mentioned above, I'm sorry if I've forgotten anything. In light of what I know, the Wii U has the strongest lineup this fall (mostly because of the games that came out over the last year, but if you haven't bought the system yet, those are equally new to you).
Oh, and sorry for the long post
Edit: Rechecked and corrected some data.
Sorry, are we counting year old games as well?
That makes it look like "In a month the XBO and PS4 will have almost as many worthwhile games as Wii U had in a year"
Because most of Sony and MS's franchises simply don't age well.
If Sony could have relied on Crash Bandicot, you don't think they would have done so?
And a lot of that complaining is because Nintendo has simply been around longer than the others. If Sony and MS are still in this business in 10 years, I guarantee that Gran Turismo and Halo will be developed in some form.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Excellent post.
Many would say I hit the target, I certainly don't expect everyone to think I did.
Killer instinct is a shell of its former self, and lacks all the character of the originals and is not a full retail release but some weirdop hybrid f2p/demo nickel and dime "game".
Crimson Dragon I am aware of and will gladly get when it comes out, which won't be launch
Forza is a racing sim, both have these, and they are ok I guess?
Dead Rising 3 lost much of it's charm from the original from what I and many others have deduced. It used to be a far more colorful game, and instead looks like "another zombie game", again, I guess that's ok? Kinda luke warm to me and many others.
Ryse is a clearly a grey brown QTE stinker, no need to go further.
Crimson Dragon is the closest "gamey" colorful different game you mentioned and that isn't coming out for awhile. We agree on DLC
(I believe they have the best gamepad however, and really innovated on that front)
Anyone who has a brain in their head and puts more then two minutes of effort into researching microsofts output over the last gen and going into this gen knows you're full of shit about what games Microsoft has produced. Though since I see you are not so subtlety moving the goal posts from grey/brown is all Microsoft makes to shooters are microsofts core market, you obviously are conceding my point that in fact Microsoft produced very few grey/brown shooters in comparison to other output.
Microsoft has the dudebro label because of the overwhelming success of halo and because they pushed online and were the most successful at it. It's not because Microsoft only developed those type of properties. Far from it. If anything they spent a lot of money on games in genres that don't typically sell as well on their consoles resting on their laurels with halo to maintain that market base.
As for your "gamey" label, I'm guessing that's just the catch all negative connotation you use for games and genres you don't like. I'm guessing "gamey" games are Nintendo style platformers, RPGs or Zelda clones. Maybe some indies. Or maybe even Sony IP's you prefer.
Delicious Waffles
Member
I bought a Wii U at launch. There was about 2 or 3 games actually worth playing on it. PS4/XBO's launch titles might be 'meh' but at least there's a bunch more somewhat worth playing.
I think we have reached the level where there is enough great stuff on each console to justify a purchase. It just matters where your tastes lie.
I find FPS extremely shallow in the gameplay department. They all look alike, and the mechanics are relatively the same. So I can't personally justify a PS4 or a Xbone at this time.
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
Look another forgetting that the last DKC was on SNES(14 years) before DCKR came out in 2010. Now the next DKC comes out 3 years later. Five DKC's in 20 years. This will be the fourth Killzone in how many years? Wait, DKC is GOTY nominee every year it comes out, why would I compare it Killzone?
Also WWHD is an HD remake. I believe Nintendo's first HD remake. How many HD remakes has Sony made? dozens?
The true Zelda is not out yet nor has it been seen. How can you say it is the same formula?
This doesn't make sense to me. If you like all this stuff coming to PS4/Xbone, it probably includes the multiplats. And many of those were available at WiiU launch at well.
For example, if you are interested in AC4, I don't see how you weren't interested in AC3.
Also forgetting that new Zelda games contain polish unheard of in big sprawling adventure games, and contain radically different mechanics and art styles from game to game.
The "zelda never evolves" argument is the biggest bullshit argument I have ever seen on a gaming forum.