You realise they were talking about mechanics, not graphics right?
Reggie Fils-Aime on Xbox One/PS4 lineups: "Meh"
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You realise they were talking about mechanics, not graphics right?
Barry Burton
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He's right. I'm still getting the PS4 at launch anyways, but it's launch lineup is very weak, as is the XB1's.
Now to be fair, the Wii U's launch lineup looked terrible and I still got it at launch, and ZombiU turned out to be great when I wasn't expecting that. That's why I like getting consoles at launch -- I will try out some games I might otherwise not. I will give games like Knack and Killzone a chance.
Still, after several months now of not playing anything on the Wii U, it's definitely the system I'll be playing the most this fall, between SM3DW, DKCTF, TW101, Rayman and maybe a few multiplats depending on how the ports are. That lineup has made me think about waiting on the PS4 until next year, but ultimately I'm a sucker for new consoles and I'll still be there day one.
Now to be fair, the Wii U's launch lineup looked terrible and I still got it at launch, and ZombiU turned out to be great when I wasn't expecting that. That's why I like getting consoles at launch -- I will try out some games I might otherwise not. I will give games like Knack and Killzone a chance.
Still, after several months now of not playing anything on the Wii U, it's definitely the system I'll be playing the most this fall, between SM3DW, DKCTF, TW101, Rayman and maybe a few multiplats depending on how the ports are. That lineup has made me think about waiting on the PS4 until next year, but ultimately I'm a sucker for new consoles and I'll still be there day one.
Catchpenny
Member
It's a new IP that didn't even set the world on fire nor move units.
Do you think Ryse or Knack will set the world on fire or move units? Well, I suppose Ryse might sell, but it wouldn't be something to take pride in...
All next gen is pretty meh. There are some nice upgrades in terms of features and efficiency. I'm hoping for better load times, a smoother experience, but, to me, it is just HD+. Nothing to get too excited about.
I'm probably in the market for a Wii U this year too. The price drop means the 2nd hand should be pretty cheap.
I'm probably in the market for a Wii U this year too. The price drop means the 2nd hand should be pretty cheap.
Knak will definitely sell more than Wonderful 101 and that's considering the PS4 has, as of now, the userbase of 0.
ambar_hitman
Member
They are still clinging on to Marios and Zeldas. Meh.
Console launch is always hard. The new software is rarely very good. Most preorders are from scalpers, who plan to resell it for profit, but not always manage to get this profit.
The question here is that most sony fans believe this wont happen to the PS4 at all.
(and maybe they are right, because as we can see the Playstation brand got a big and solid fan base. But dont be so sure)
The question here is that most sony fans believe this wont happen to the PS4 at all.
(and maybe they are right, because as we can see the Playstation brand got a big and solid fan base. But dont be so sure)
I want NSMBU as an ambassador game
I wish I felt the same way. The pieces are all there but the end result was rather ho-hum for me.
Yeah, this is sadly true. Launches really tend to suck nowadays. Not saying that they were the best in the 16 and 32 bit era, but at least there were at least one or two games that would completely blow your socks off for just about any system.
I'm getting a PS4 day one, but there's not a lot to look forward to if I'm honest.
Personally I'm getting one so I don't have to play BF4 on old hardware. The one game I'm actually stoked to get my hands on is the next gen version of The Pinball Arcade. Never bought a new system just to play a pinball game before.
Drive club is looking vey nice, but right now there's much to little info and media about the game to make an informed decision on it. X1 isn't even on my radar at all.
So yeah, the launches certainly are meh. Just like the Wii U and 3DS launches.
Sucks, but what can you do about it besides not buying them?
BruiserBear
Banned
Not only that, but most of their *new* games literally recycle entire worlds (Zelda 3DS), or entire games (Wind Waker HD), and in the case of Mario Land (the graphical style and assets from the previous 3DS game). It's embarrassing when you see their current output compared to the N64 days.
I think we have to wait till Infamous: Second Son for a first trully next-gen game. Though Killzone looks amazing and I love the changes they made to it.Yeah, this is sadly true. Launches really tend to suck nowadays. Not saying that they were the best in the 16 and 32 bit era, but at least there were at least one or two games that would completely blow your socks off for just about any system.
I'm getting a PS4 day one, but there's not a lot to look forward to if I'm honest.
Personally I'm getting one so I don't have to play BF4 on old hardware. The one game I'm actually stoked to get my hands on is the next gen version of The Pinball Arcade. Never bought a new system just to play a pinball game before.
Drive club is looking vey nice, but right now there's much to little info and media about the game to make an informed decision on it. X1 isn't even on my radar at all.
So yeah, the launches certainly are meh. Just like the Wii U and 3DS launches.
Sucks, but what can you do about it besides not buying them?
Artemis-Thoth
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Brianimaniac
Banned
I agree with him. The only launch game I would play on either next-gen system is Lego Marvel, and that's on everything.
That's certainly true. Infamous looks pretty damn impressive.
Killzone looks very promising and the graphics are amazing, but I need more impressions of how the game itself plays as I don't want to be burned again after KZ3 and I'm not confident to give Guerrilla the benefit of the doubt again.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Problem of Nintendo here, everytime the same shit franchises that get worse over time.
Why no F-Zero, Metroid, Sin & Punishment, Advance Wars, Star Fox, Mother, Deja Vu, Tantei Club.
Why none? Because they're lucky to sell a million units each. While we may like them, those are niche titles. We still get them, but they don't get a full force push because nobody buys them
Spieler Eins
Member
The n64 was extremely weak. Same droughts, instead of 2d platformer overflow you had collectathons. At least they had Mario64 at start, but still.
GCN and Wii had an amazing first year though, these are the ones that make the WiiU look terrible. Also lol@ taking jab at 3ds because of Zelda. This year, 3ds is the strongest platform on the market.
Style I will give you, as they're going for that, but assets? Nope, absolutely not. Actually compare the two games and have a look.
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
This is their second Donkey Kong is like 15 years. The first Pikmin in 10 years. Compare those to Killzone 4, BF4, COD10, Fifa14.
W101 is a brand new IP and I do not care if Knack sell more than W101. When has quality ever had anything to do with sales.
When the Wii sold great it was "Who cares it is all about games". Now the WiiU is getting great niche games like Pikmin,W101,Bay2 and X and now the dumb excuse is "W101 is not going to sell".
Uno Venova
Banned
The power of a three letter word...
I saw someone say that the Wii U will be like the Gamecube. It will have great quality titles, but will lose the generation.
freezamite
Banned
I can't think how anyone can defend Knak against Wonderful 101 while considering himself a gamer.
I know that the majority of people who plays videogames nowadays want cinematic experiences, that's an undeniable fact. The gamming market expanded when the FMV or CGI exploded and that's what attracted people to our hobby.
The problem is that those people of course wasn't interested on gameplay mechanichs or anything that resembled that, they were there because of the CGI, and because of that the games that demand the player to learn even the simplest routines are niche to say the best. This is a fact, and I can accept that.
What I can NOT accept is to see those CASUAL players considering themselves gamers. No, you're not gamers. You're as casual as the one that bought the Wii-Fit to lose some Kg of fat doing a bit of exercise while having fun. You're not interested in the gaming part of a game, but on the graphics and the presentation.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this is bad or that you don't deserve to enjoy videogames that way. It's just that you can't consider yourself a gamer, but a techie or maybe a movie enthusiast, but not a gamer by any means.
sometimes i game
Member
It's a problem unique to Nintendo because there's not a ton of scope and 3rd party support, imo. Also, when there's a new entry to the franchise, often not much has changed. Most Pikmin reviews I read said this is pure what-you-expect Pikmin, again, which is odd after such a long haitus but it's still satisfying.
Some of the other console titles that are on #3 or #4 have changed pretty dramatically, especially regarding online modes, and are joined by a much larger lineup of varied (and new) 1st (and 3rd party) titles, so they're not the only titles that the console maker trumpets repeatedly as reasons to buy.
LOL Let's see you spout that bullshit in the iOS thread and see how long you last. You sound like the "filthy casual" meme.
Aizu_Itsuko
Member
I find "Meh" to be the equivalent of a lazy youtube/forum comment.
As I said, I feel he could have done a much better job at selling what they have.
bamboobimbo
Neo Member
please understand
Bahahahahahahaha!
witchedwiz
Member
Gamers on wiiu so far..
Meh
Meh
something fishy
Member
well he's not wrong about the line-ups.
they look bare. Nothing to make me spend that sort of money.
this'll be the easiest gen in a while to ignore until they've been around a couple of years and had price drops.
they look bare. Nothing to make me spend that sort of money.
this'll be the easiest gen in a while to ignore until they've been around a couple of years and had price drops.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Everyone who plays games is a gamer, to some extent, regardless of what they're playing. The market is huge today, from casual to core, passing through the average joe/"dudebro". There's a place for every kind of game on the various number of platforms we have right now. It might not be on retail shelves, but that's why DD has been growing. Different people will focus on different things about games.
Also, this argument that some games are worthier than others is silly, and has been the main one used by Nintendo fans since wiiU came out day 1, because pretty much everything has sold poorly. WiiU has an okay library right now, with some nice titles coming until the end of 2013, but it's not some kind of holy grail in gaming.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I will say that Wii U/3DS defiantly have the better 1st party line up this holiday season, but that will change pretty quickly.
I really think people are reading too much into the "meh". In a vocal exchange that word never means much and I don't see how it is perceived as a dig against Sony/Microsoft, he simply stated that he feels good about the lineup they're offering and that it's a strong one.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
He and Itwata needs to be fired asap.
With that said, it will be fun watching PS4 annihilate the Wii U PS2 vs GC style.
With that said, it will be fun watching PS4 annihilate the Wii U PS2 vs GC style.
i think this is a pretty common thing among sequels and genres. the last of us, for example, plays as an extremely good, extremely refined game in the style of uncharted 2. that doesn't mean naughty dog didn't try anything different. they did, but the core gameplay is pretty similar given it's the same team working in the same genre (as a note, i really like the last of us and thought uncharted 2 was a good game, albeit a flawed one).
well this is where things get tricky. i've never played gran turismo much, but everything from 3 to 6 looks pretty much the same to me. i'm sure there are a ton of differences between all of them that mean they aren't just rehashes of the same game, but to the untrained eye they look pretty similar (graphics aside). ratchet & clank, uncharted, killzone, god of war, halo, fable, gears of war, forza- you get the idea. if you're a fan, if you're paying attention, you can spot the differences (and maybe pretty readily). if you're not, you might be hard pressed to see them.
i think that new ips matter little compared to new ideas. and new ideas don't matter as much as execution. i'd rather have an older idea executed very well in an existing ip (such as rayman origins) than an old idea in a new ip missing the mark (despite being new ips, this is what drive club and knack do for me- although i'm not a big fan of sim racers in general).
Oh god, people still say stuff like this?
Yeah. Just what we need. This dumb shit again.
Here come another 1000 posts shitting on Iwata...
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
I bet the 2DS annihilates the Vita and the 3DS will annihilate the 2DS. You know, DS vs PSP style. So no, no one is getting fired.
I bet you're wrong about that.
Brainiac 8
Member
Don't be so defensive.
The launch of the WiiU was just as 'meh' in my opinion. Gaming in general are all playing their launches incredibly safe. But then again, the Dreamcast was the last system to have a fantastic launch line-up in my opinion.