Impeccable
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That's really not the story to be told though... very selective to say, "Well it sold some!"
Microsoft: "Its up to us to prove that [Xbox One is] worth $100 more [than PS4]"
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That's really not the story to be told though... very selective to say, "Well it sold some!"
jordan0386
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Albert, please talk to the heads of state to sign off on these NDAs so we can get more game previews out.
Enough PR talk. Can we get some previews of your 20 launch titles? Is that asking for too much?
Enough PR talk. Can we get some previews of your 20 launch titles? Is that asking for too much?
Oh yes, over time the Xbox and PlayStation came to be called the "HD twins." I remember in the PS2 era, the PS2 was full of Japanese games, the Xbox had more of the PC Western games, and the Gamecube had...Nintendo, and a smattering of Japanese games tooI need to see how the "twins'" libraries differentiate from each other. (And since I built a PC, how they differentiate from PCs.) For some reason I've gone "Nintendo/Xbox" over time but with the Xbox One being so similar to the PS4 and being more expensive despite the hardware power (but it does have Kinect...and I'm totally serious about this, if it can do some cool stuff that might be a thing to look at), it's going to take some time to see the library of exclusives fleshed out before I decide on Xbox One.
I agree that the Kinect seems like it will be able to do some cool stuff on the voice recognition side. I just don't feel like the motion control part and the insane R&D and component cost that went into it was worthwhile and worthy of being a mandatory purchase. Especially since Sony is working on having the PS4-EYE do voice control as well. If it turns out that the PS4 is similarly capable of voice control and kept their peripheral optional, it only increases the consumer control that the PS4 allows.
Don't want online gaming? Great, don't pay for PS+ and you can still play MMO's online and have full media functionality.
Don't want a camera peripheral? Great, it's completely optional but if you do decide to buy one, we're still dedicated to providing robust features for it without forcing it on you.
Don't like only having 500GB of HDD? Swap it with whatever laptop HDD you want.
BleachAndPepsi
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They didn't sell to anyone other than diehards until a price drop, IIRC.
Diehards and AV enthusiasts. It was by far the best quality and least expensive Blu-Ray and up converting DVD player on the market at release.
fastford58
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The PS3 sales thing is grossly minute. PS3 was outsold like a M'Fer until the price cuts came. For the longest time, PS3 only had around 50% of Xbox sales. Once the price cuts hit, they continued to gain momentum on MS until we have the current situation today.
So no. When PS3 was more expensive, it did not sell as good. And at that time, PS3 was perceived as superior tech. So now we have INFERIOR tech launching at a higher price.
This launch is radically different than the PS3/360 launch. So much so that you can't use it as an argument as to how this gen is going to go down. You just can't.
Why do people forget that we weren't recovering from a global recession that has made consumer spending that much more selective when the PS3/360 first released? Xbone is going to sell at $500 because there are hardcore fans who are going to pay that much for it. However, you would have to be quite daft to think it's going to sell gangbusters to average consumers when you have a competitor who offers what you offer for less. That's just common sense.
BleachAndPepsi
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Yep. You get imprecise control, slower input versus a controller, and lag. Woo.
I get that there are people interested in this stuff, but I've used Kinect and seen the same videos of the new Kinect as everyone else, and there isn't a single compelling thing I can think of that makes me interested in it. It's a solution in search of a problem.
Right, and I don't think Microsoft can count on the latter group buying an Xbone for its Blu-ray playback capabilities.
Garrett 2U
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Microsoft can certainly convince consumers that the Xbox One is worth $500.
In today's tech world, that really isn't that much money for a device that you'll use for 5-7 years.
A harmony remote system is anywhere from $250-350.
A semi-capable Smart TV like the 2013 Samsung model will be outdated by next year and costs double a normal TV.
An AppleTV costs $100 and a new model releases, what, every two years?
The Xbox One offers better control of your living room than a Harmony remote, will have a richer application marketplace and better UX than a Smart TV, will have a better app/games marketplace than a Apple TV while maintaining an objectively equal games marketplace to a PS4, and it is the first device to allow hands free control of your living room.
You can buy a PS4 and a Harmony remote system for $650-750 (+ $60 if you want camera). Or you can buy an Xbox One + PS4 for $900.
You can buy a Samsung Smart TV + PS4 for $2000+ or you can buy a normal HDTV + Xbox One + PS4 + 4 games + 2 years of PS+ and Gold for same price.
There is lots of value in an Xbox One if you want a top-of-the-line entertainment system.
If you don't care about any of that entertainment stuff or Xbox exclusives, and you just want to play games, then all power to you to buy the cheaper PS4, that is just logical.
But to say that consumers can't be convinced that the Xbox One is worth $500, and even $60/year, is a bit naive.
In today's tech world, that really isn't that much money for a device that you'll use for 5-7 years.
A harmony remote system is anywhere from $250-350.
A semi-capable Smart TV like the 2013 Samsung model will be outdated by next year and costs double a normal TV.
An AppleTV costs $100 and a new model releases, what, every two years?
The Xbox One offers better control of your living room than a Harmony remote, will have a richer application marketplace and better UX than a Smart TV, will have a better app/games marketplace than a Apple TV while maintaining an objectively equal games marketplace to a PS4, and it is the first device to allow hands free control of your living room.
You can buy a PS4 and a Harmony remote system for $650-750 (+ $60 if you want camera). Or you can buy an Xbox One + PS4 for $900.
You can buy a Samsung Smart TV + PS4 for $2000+ or you can buy a normal HDTV + Xbox One + PS4 + 4 games + 2 years of PS+ and Gold for same price.
There is lots of value in an Xbox One if you want a top-of-the-line entertainment system.
If you don't care about any of that entertainment stuff or Xbox exclusives, and you just want to play games, then all power to you to buy the cheaper PS4, that is just logical.
But to say that consumers can't be convinced that the Xbox One is worth $500, and even $60/year, is a bit naive.
spatenfloot
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I can press the PS button on my controller and the console, tv and sound bar all turn on. It isn't that hard to do anything on your list. I think people might think the voice controls are cool for a week or two, but they'll tire of it quickly and go back to buttons.
NeededSleep
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Id buy a cheaper kinectless version moreso since their current policy shift.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Right, but does it read your heart rate? Can it see your facial expression and adapt the game accordingly, so that when my dog farts and I laugh about it, the game thinks I'm laughing at it and sends a wave of zombies to murder me? Does it have tons of other features you'll likely never see utilized well, just like the first Kinect?
I think not.
Man, I can't believe he said that. When people see both systems have basically the same games most people will auto buy the cheaper one.
The value may be there but it doesn't mean people will go for it.
Penguins&PolarBears
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I don't agree that you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that values all that Kinect functionality. I do agree that there are a lot of people who don't see all that being worthwhile and that's fair.
For those people I would remind them that the main reason they are including the device standard is so that developers will create new games and new apps that make use of the technology. If they can establish new game types and apps for Xbox One then that gives them potentially a huge advantage over their competition. But that's the unrealized potential of the device that won't be there on day one. Whether they use the Kinect for Illumiroom, Kinect Glasses, Windows apps, crazy indy games, or Oculus Rift the potential for the device at least won't be hindered by the fact that only a small subset of Xbox owners have a Kinect.
Not everyone is going to be sold on the technology on day one. It took years for smartphones like the iPhone to start convincing everyone that they needed to own a smartphone. It's going to take a lot of impressive software to convince most people that they need a Kinect.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Have you guys seen all the Panasonic SMART TV ad's that are a complete rip on Kinect? I am curious how much that will add to market confusion + uniqueness.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
Demos are behind the paywall ?
You get to play as much of a game as you can for an hour. They're better than demos.
They're not demos, they're access to the whole game for an hour.
I feel like you may accidentally not realize PS4 also has entertainment options?
NullPointer
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I think thats just the one hour trials. Those aren't classical demos.
3rdamention
Member
I respect your opinions, but these are your opinions. Now Microsoft needs to convince others to agree with you. That's the topic of this thread and the challenge for Microsoft. They have convinced you and need to find a way to convince others..
Ricerocket
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You have any examples of that? I'm curious because I think smart tv will do away with all the benefits of X1 in the future.
Ricerocket
Member
double post, remove pls?
Just look up Samsung smart TV commercial. There's a few of them.
It's non-Paywall voice recognition and media app search protocols.
BruceLeeRoy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deVSXgobXhA
I'm willing to bet this kind of stuff lowers market perception to just how slick the Xbone appears from a marketing standpoint.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
iPhone altered the smartphone landscape on day one. Sales were high (sure, not as high as they are now, but that's just a given) and literally every smartphone maker set to making their own ripoff device.
If everyone decides to follow Microsoft down the rabbit hole they want to drag the industry down, where gimmicks are forced on you and ownership of physical goods is verboten, I'm done with gaming.
Mass Effect
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NPD 2007
Let's not pretend that price didn't have much of an effect on the PS3. And this was before the massive recession (which is still going on by the way), so while the gap between the Xbone and PS4 isn't as big, that $100 difference will be a bigger deal than it would have been in 2007.
Garrett 2U
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When I'm talking about entertainment features I'm talking about replacing expensive remote control systems (like Harmony) with the Xbox One's built in IR blaster and Smartglass integration.
Or Kinect replacing the need to buy an expensive Smart TV that has a microphone on its remote control for voice commands (like the Samsung Smart TV).
And let's be honest, the PlayStation Network currently doesn't have nearly as many entertainment applications as Xbox Live. Hopefully that changes next generation for PlayStation users, but that is how it currently is.
Xbox One has no paywall on voice recognition either.
Ricerocket
Member
Thanks. Yeah I agree this is what I feel as well, I own a recently new LG smart tv that has the option to do everything but it's not quite there yet (laggy, not a lot of options) but later as they improve it, I think it makes X1 not as great as it wants to be.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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And that's one of the reasons I can't wait to get my hands on an Xbox One - I know they'll be fighting tooth and nail to regain that mind share, just like Sony did last gen. Good times ahead for owners of both platforms.
BleachAndPepsi
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Add to that, this:
http://www.comcast.com/x1
Here's an ad:
http://youtu.be/4rBn75iYkQg
The Xbone features aren't all that unique even before it launches.
This sounds like PS3 fanboy talk back in 06--when they were trying to justify that awesome PS3 price.
But it's a paywall to use all the TV guide stuff so...kinda?
Palette Swap
Member
This really reminds me of all these PS3 value calculations people were doing when it launched to demonstrate that despite its higher price point, PS3 offered better value than Xbox 360 under certain scenarios.
They were as correct as you are, but they mattered very little in the end.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Sweet. I'll be able to complete most of COD Ghosts without paying for it!
SPACECADET
Member
isn't it strange how the people employed by the company selling the product always back it as the best?
every time i see a reggie thread i just wonder if this is the time he'll finally say another console is better than nintendo's.
every time i see a reggie thread i just wonder if this is the time he'll finally say another console is better than nintendo's.
EventHorizon
Member
The XB1 is horrible at controlling a DVR or media server which any multimedia enthusiast would have. The Harmony remote, or any universal remote for that matter, would have no such problem.
Garrett 2U
Member
Except for when you look at the price tag of a Samsung Smart TV.
And the Xbox One is just better than that TV, don't have to talk into the remote lol.
You don't know that...? Recent news has said the Xbox One can control the DVR. We haven't seen to what extent yet.
Sure, if its offered. You could also rent it from a redbox($2), flip it, and play some multiplayer.
some of you are going to be surprised this gen then... the games are looking and will look just as good to 99% of people outside of us as hardcore.... the specs are being waaay overblown and Xbones efficiency and customizations are being well UNDER played... so yea.
BleachAndPepsi
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The last time Microsoft failed to gain mindshare and traction with a console was the first Xbox. And what'd they do? Well, they didn't fight tooth and nail. They dropped it like it never existed, stopped making games for it, and released a new console, completely shitting on those who had bought the damn thing.
Their track record doesn't bode well for Xbone adopters if sales stay low.
Rustle Da Jimmies
Banned
Why is that every time someone types out a good bullet point list of Xbox One/Kinect features some genius always has to quote it and reply with a snarky 1 or 2 liner. Or the worst, "i lol'd" or "joke post?"
I have a feeling these people just skim through it and don't even bother to think about how they can apply it to real situations.
To me, saying "Xbox, what's on ESPN?" While cooking on the grill or playing pool Is already a super convenient feature for me since my mancave is in my garage.
-The PS4 will most likely be the console that i keep in my room for Single Player games and play for about an hour or two before i go to bed.
-The Xbox One will be the console i keep in my garage and play with a group of friends the whole afternoon on my days off, or have a cook out while using it to navigate through sports channels. Especially during those days when there are multiple good Champions League or Premier League matches on at the same time.
I have a feeling these people just skim through it and don't even bother to think about how they can apply it to real situations.
To me, saying "Xbox, what's on ESPN?" While cooking on the grill or playing pool Is already a super convenient feature for me since my mancave is in my garage.
-The PS4 will most likely be the console that i keep in my room for Single Player games and play for about an hour or two before i go to bed.
-The Xbox One will be the console i keep in my garage and play with a group of friends the whole afternoon on my days off, or have a cook out while using it to navigate through sports channels. Especially during those days when there are multiple good Champions League or Premier League matches on at the same time.
ChiliManiac
Banned
The last time Microsoft was in a crunch they actually gave us some really good games. Keep the pressure on them Sony. You'll be making my X1 experience all the better :3. I just got a MS Surface and love it, amazing productivity.
Is it anything like a windows phone? Because if it is, fuck that noise.
EventHorizon
Member
Whoa. I had to do a triple take. I thought that was an Xbox One ad and couldn't figure out what they were talking into. There is going to be major confusion between the two products.
Garrett 2U
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ChiliManiac
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The Surface? Nah, not exactly. It has the same tile interface as Windows 8 but I can get a lot more work done on it than an iPad because of the keyboard and it coming with Microsoft office. Though I also like the Windows Phones too. I guess you should check it out at best buy if your thinking of getting one. It's great and that USB 3.0 port is amazing. I should add you can switch to desktop mode as well.
1. My TV turns on my receiver, thanks to a technology called HDMI-CEC. It doesn't cost $60/year either.
2. Scrolling through a list is easier than saying Xbox play killer instinct and your xbox playing the "Kill List" movie and than having to back out of it. My iPhone can play my songs by voice, but I don't use it because it's much easier to select it manually.
3. Any game usage of voice controls have been done long before Kinect:
