Sgt.McTigerbuns
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How does the 3ds track in comparison to the gba? Sorry if asked, I'm at work and don't have time to read through the thread.
The Death Of Nintendo Has Been Greatly Under-Exaggerated
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LOL what a shitty article.
Im tired of these people shitting on Nintendo just because the WII U is not what they were expecting. Shit, Its not what I was expecting either but dude just move on!! Pre order a PS4/Xbone and just stop waiting for Nintendo to say that the Wii U has some hidden specs that could outrun the other two consoles. We all know that the Wii runs under the X360/PS3, but some of us still liked it! It didn't fail, did it? Did Nintendo quit? NO! The same thing is happening with the Wii U vs the other 2. GOD!
And that 3DS Part? Oh man! no comments.
Shitty article is shitty.
K, bai.
Im tired of these people shitting on Nintendo just because the WII U is not what they were expecting. Shit, Its not what I was expecting either but dude just move on!! Pre order a PS4/Xbone and just stop waiting for Nintendo to say that the Wii U has some hidden specs that could outrun the other two consoles. We all know that the Wii runs under the X360/PS3, but some of us still liked it! It didn't fail, did it? Did Nintendo quit? NO! The same thing is happening with the Wii U vs the other 2. GOD!
And that 3DS Part? Oh man! no comments.
Shitty article is shitty.
K, bai.
MemoryHumanity
Member
Most companies would kill to have a product that's tracking only 20% under the DS.
The 3DS is a 'colossal failure'. Lmao yeah, OK.
The 3DS is a 'colossal failure'. Lmao yeah, OK.
Ya, I was with him up until that.
Apophis2036
Banned
Wii and DS were one off's, Nintendo are now back to the same shrinking market of the N64 / Gamecube days. The sooner people get over that, the better.
I think Nintendo will be secretly pleased if they can release home consoles that sell between 15 and 20 million units at a profit, all the while selling 50 - 100 million handhelds at a profit and an unbelievable amount of software where the majority of the money goes directly into their pocket.
If they want to compete with Sony and MS then they have to start planning now for their next console for release in late 2015 and compete on tech aswell as online services. I don't believe they want that at all though, at least under Iwata's leadership.
It will be very interesting to see the direction the company takes if / when Iwata steps down. I'm guessing it wouldn't be much different though as there is a pretty powerful set of guys that control things from behind the scenes anyway from what I have read on here.
I think Nintendo will be secretly pleased if they can release home consoles that sell between 15 and 20 million units at a profit, all the while selling 50 - 100 million handhelds at a profit and an unbelievable amount of software where the majority of the money goes directly into their pocket.
If they want to compete with Sony and MS then they have to start planning now for their next console for release in late 2015 and compete on tech aswell as online services. I don't believe they want that at all though, at least under Iwata's leadership.
It will be very interesting to see the direction the company takes if / when Iwata steps down. I'm guessing it wouldn't be much different though as there is a pretty powerful set of guys that control things from behind the scenes anyway from what I have read on here.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Because they're probably paid for by companies competing against Nintendo?
BumblebeeCody
Member
Exactly. The 3DS not selling as much as the DS doesn't make it a failure. It still selling millions doesn't mean it's failed. What logic is that?
I think you should not make any more comments on these topics
Apophis2036
Banned
And I think you should mind your own business.
The wii was a blip though. WiiU is proving that. Wii is the exception, not the norm. They caught lightning in a bottle and even Nintendo have understood they shouldn't be foolish to think they can easily replicate it.
The wii was elevated thanks to a temporary influx in atypical consumers that purchased the product and turned it into a cultural phenomenon for a time being. Which helped drive demand from the typical gaming demographic and the atypical consumers. That however has not translated to future success and those atypical consumers are not in the marketplace in those types of numbers anymore and certainly aren't buying wiiU's.
The long term trend toward Nintendo home consoles has been a downward trajectory since the SNES. Their are entire threads postulating the reasons for this but that is an undeniable fact.
Right now the wii is outselling the wiiU and for the wiiU it needs to go from selling 50,000 units a month to an average of nearly 300,000 units a month for 5 straight years just to catch up to the gamecube in sales. That is the sort of hole Nintendo is in right now.
Are they doomed? Of course not. They have a lot of cash on their balance sheet and the 3ds is the best selling dedicated videogame hardware on the market. They make profit in their software division and their consoles, while likely barely keeping the water out of the boat, haven't fully sunk yet.
I am curious how investors are going to see Nintendo's struggles with the wiiU though. At this point they are sending good money after bad. Still, Nintendo will survive the wiiU, the question I have though is if the next console flops as well, can Nintendo justify to their investors that continuing to make consoles is the best return on investment they can pursue?
KojiKnight
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As of June, 32 million which is a pretty comfortable place for it to be half way into it's life without a pokemon title out yet. Give it a year after pokemon is out and that number could easily be at 50 million.
(edit) As for Wii U... I think we all know where Nintendo will be heading next. The merging of their portable and console hardware divisions is surely not just for simplification and for sharing resources... Next gen Nintendo portable will be merging the two almost assuredly.
People keep saying this but I think people have been quite accurate. People said N64 won't be a market leader, and PS1 outsold and had better 3rd party. People laughed at GameCube and even a new challenger MS outsold it. Of course people completely underestimated Wii, due to the motion fad, but it is obviously that was a fad which is why Wii sales dropped off faster than PS3 and 360 as well as bad 3rd party support. It is quite obvious Nintendo has been in a downward spiral since the N64 and they cannot recapture the casual market like they did with the Wii. Luckily Nintendo are the kings when it comes to handheld gaming and that has never been affected, though they want reach the success of DS due to smartphones. So I predict their next gaming system will once again fail or Nintendo try something risky (VR) or they just stick to handhelds only but add HDMI out for TV play.
the wii u is a monumental failure
yet, nintendo could still endure 3 more wii u-esque failures and still not be anywhere close to doomed as long as their handheld picks up the slack.
that's how well off they are.
besides, they're going to fire iwata at the end of this fiscal year and turn things around!
yet, nintendo could still endure 3 more wii u-esque failures and still not be anywhere close to doomed as long as their handheld picks up the slack.
that's how well off they are.
besides, they're going to fire iwata at the end of this fiscal year and turn things around!
That's like saying the ps3 is a failure because it hasn't moved enough units compared to its predecessor. Nintendo has it's issues with It's current console hardware but acting as if the 3DS is a failure comes off as writing his own version of history.
Just for fun, let's list all the console manufacturers that have left while Nintendo has kept grinding on. Feel free to add if I miss anyone.
Atari (twice!), Bally, Magnavox, Milton Bradley, Emerson. Mattel, Coleco, Sega, NEC, Tiger Electronics, Philips, SNK, Bandai, Goldstar, Sears, and if you want to count the ActionMAX then Worlds of Wonder. I'm not even going to bother to include all the arcade manufacturers.
Not only are they sitting on a huge cash hoard which cannot be marginalized, they own some of the most valuable IP in the industry. If Nintendo leaves the market, it's because they are the last one out and the industry is truly dead. They're not going anywhere because gaming is all they do.
Atari (twice!), Bally, Magnavox, Milton Bradley, Emerson. Mattel, Coleco, Sega, NEC, Tiger Electronics, Philips, SNK, Bandai, Goldstar, Sears, and if you want to count the ActionMAX then Worlds of Wonder. I'm not even going to bother to include all the arcade manufacturers.
Not only are they sitting on a huge cash hoard which cannot be marginalized, they own some of the most valuable IP in the industry. If Nintendo leaves the market, it's because they are the last one out and the industry is truly dead. They're not going anywhere because gaming is all they do.
I do kind of wonder the logic in releasing the 2ds this Holliday though. This Holliday was supposed to be the wiiU's big push but now they are self competing by dividing their attention to a new hardware launch.
I guess they assume Mario kart, zelda and Mario will be their best marketing.
These recent articles by MG and Gruber especially highlight how out of touch with the gaming industry they are. They're good-even great-technology writers and I follow Gruber regularly for his take on Apple, but they really don't know what the hell they're talking about when it comes to Nintendo and the gaming industry as a whole.
If their pay is any indicator of quality, most of the guys writing this shit make $20-30k/yr.
Chû Totoro
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The Pacther Stamp of Approval
And people are saying that Pachter is a serious person... how can he link this article and say that it's interesting when there is no concrete elements that proves the redactor's point. Also talking about fanboys when you're an analyst... way to sound like the random guy posting something on Twitter.
Edit : can someone give me a link to one of the best Pachter piece of work... I'm sure I'm going to read very interesting things too
Nintendo is not doomed at all. They have $5 billion in the bank and are profiting off both consoles and handhelds in the market. I'm far away from a Nintendo fanboy but Nintendo was doomed with the Wii. It has PS2 graphics. It has zero online. Motion controls are a gimmick. Nintendo won the console war with a system everyone (self included) thought as an initial failure. YouTube is littered with the tears of Sony and Microsoft fanboy nerdrage. Nintendo is far from over.
I foresee Nintendo shifting strategy in the next few years and marketing a conse with 50 percent less power than the PS4. It'll come with a mix of PSN and XBL. I say this for competitive reasons.
I foresee Nintendo shifting strategy in the next few years and marketing a conse with 50 percent less power than the PS4. It'll come with a mix of PSN and XBL. I say this for competitive reasons.
I think Nintendo understands where their focus should be. They need to get Pokemon into as many hands as possible and to do that, they released a cheaper 2ds version.
PS3 and 360's massive financial failures are the reason why this generation was 8 years long. Chasing higher end tech and bleeding billions is why they've necessitated 8 years. The middle-sauce 8th gen consoles are the direct result of this.
Wii sales dropped off because there was NO SUPPORT. Neither first party (they had to make 3DS games) and third party never really showed up with their A game in the first place. Not because "motion gaming was a fad" (people were and are still happily buying up Kinect 360s, and everything still has motion available as a control scheme).
All it takes to capture the market is compelling software. Software that the mass market wants. This is sometimes driven by hardware (Wii Sports). There's nothing stating that any of the companies can't create a mass market success based on any number of combinations of innovative hardware and software. The Wii U clearly does not have this, yet it does not dismiss the success and standard generational length (4 or 5 years) experienced by an incredibly underpowered SD box in the age of flatscreen LCD TVs.
The DS was a huge success but they still iterated on it with the DSi and XL. And the iPod was a huge success but they iterated on it with the Nano, Shuffle, Mini and Touch. The iPad got a new member of the family even tough Apple themselves touted the iPad as the perfect size. They still made the Mini. Doesn't really equate to backpedaling.
Can people explain to me why that malstrom guy is ban territory when someone point to his content but this shit get a pass?
Have we taken leave of our senses to consider shit articles from one site ok to discuss even at their most putrid and other shit articles to off limits?
I'm not saying this isn't a topic worth discussing, if you ask me this article is worth discussing because of how hilariously shit it is.
Have we taken leave of our senses to consider shit articles from one site ok to discuss even at their most putrid and other shit articles to off limits?
I'm not saying this isn't a topic worth discussing, if you ask me this article is worth discussing because of how hilariously shit it is.
Phaethon0017
Member
More and more I've noticed that Techcrunch writers don't understand the video games industry.
Nintendo really is in seriously trouble. It seems like a lot of people aren't even reading the short article posted. If they were, they wouldn't be making the same arguments that Nintendo has money in the bank, or is historically profitable, or that consoles take time to take off.
Think that about covers it.
^^^ This. I humbly admit that I was somebody who said every one of these lines, and more.
What's keeping them around? Magic?
I also admit to being a person that just can't figure out how Nintendo is still around in the hardware business.
The WiiU is a failure. Right? Wrong?
The 3DS needed that unprecedented early pricecut. Right? Wrong?
The 2DS is stupid. Right? Wrong?
Are we finally seeing the magic running out?
I just don't know!
...but yeah I don't speak with any credibility about Nintendo. They've proven me wrong way too many times. They play by their own rules in this industry.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Nobody's making those arguments, and even if they did, the article didn't really defeat them as so much as dismiss them without explaining why.
This article is the very same that updated with some current context, you could read the same shit from various writters in the last 7 years.
Blablabla Nintendo is doomed because 3rd party, because wiifit, because mario, because zelda, because psp....
Really this article is shit and the topic is long enough that people have already pointed out why.
HeroInGreen
Member
Something is very wrong when the current best selling console is called a failure.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
But consoles do take time to take off! They definitely, undeniably do. Xbox 360 didn't launch with Halo 3, Minecraft and Gears of War, PS3 didn't launch with Uncharted, Infamous and LittleBigPlanet. The first year of a console's lifespan is nearly always the most tumultuous, and if you say otherwise you're not really paying attention.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
It's funny how Nintendo is the only hardware maker that's either rolling in dough or DOOOOOOOOOMED to these analysts. It's like there's no such thing as making money w/o lighting the world on fire.
Yes the Wii U is tanking and will not recover. But Nintendo on the whole will likely be in the black by generations end.
Yes the Wii U is tanking and will not recover. But Nintendo on the whole will likely be in the black by generations end.
Didn't they make money off of the N64, Gamecube, and Wii (and GBA, and DS)? Success doesn't mean outselling your competition. "Winning the console war" only matters to fanboys on forums.
H_Prestige
Banned
When is the Vita going to take off? When did the n64 and GC take off? Consoles can fail. They don't always succeed just because.
Don't know about n64, but GC did not make much money if anything. The ps2 made billions during the same timeframe so the GC was a failure no matter what metric you choose.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Daym lol
The 2DS is a step in the right direction. Dump the bullshit gimmicks and focus on basics. Cheap simple gaming. They need to get the 2DS down to $99 ASAP. They can still market and sell to children if the price is right.
That's only half of the dilemma, of course. The other shoe waiting to drop is the price of software, and the 2DS does nothing to alleviate that issue.
That's only half of the dilemma, of course. The other shoe waiting to drop is the price of software, and the 2DS does nothing to alleviate that issue.
Chû Totoro
Member
I agree that it shouldn't be the main argument but you may agree with me too that the bolded terms in your posts can't be in the same phrase.
The future of Nintendo is going to be tough because the Wii U is not a success for now and they won't last more than 5 years with this system. This said we're not 5 years in the future and they have at least 2014 to change things. At the end of 2014 and with a full year competition they will have all the elements to make their decision (if they need to make a new system it's going to be even more difficult like I said in a previous post but they'll have to).
And to end my post I'll just remind a lot of people that the purpose of a company is to make money. Nintendo is still making money so even if we don't count all the cash they have I really don't understand how we could conclude that they're going to die.
Do we seriously need to bring THQ (for example) vs. Nintendo numbers so we can see what is a company that went bankrupt?
If you take a long view, Nintendo is the only consistently profitable company, when compared against Sony and MS' respective gaming divisions. Xbox in particular has been a hugely failed experiment, if profits and money are what you care about. 6.7 billion in the hole as of 2011, and I assure you that number's getting worse after all of this next gen money hatting. Maybe they should write an article about the death of MS.
Makes sense then that investors, who actually have a stake in things (unlike most the people yelling about Nintendo being dead), are optimistic about Nintendo. http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/07/23/five-reasons-why-nintendos-stock-is-surging/
peanutbutterlatte
Member
But just as it's stupid to say they'll definitely pick up, it's stupid to say they'll definitely tank based on the first year!
The Pacther Stamp of Approval
Huh? I pretty much hate Nintendo and I think this article sucks. wtf What are you on about, Pacther?
Dreamcast says you're wrong. There is no magic bullet to success for a console. There are certainly criteria that many successful consoles have had in common but many unsuccessful ones have met many of those criteria as well. Many have had critical flaws we thought would hold them back from success but they succeeded in spite of them(wii). Hardware designer can certainly do things to try and minimize their chance of a failure but it doesn't always work.
And we already had a 6 page thread on whether wii was a fad or not. Fact of the matter is the wii found success because it managed to become a temporary cultural phenomenon and found success by attracting atypical consumers into the console market which helped drive sales and create a further bandwagon effect and then further drive sales from typical gamers as well. Whether it died from lack of software, consumer boredom, a dying fad, competition, outside market forces or whatever is up for debate, what is clear is that sales dropped off and those atypical consumers have not returned in such numbers to the console gaming market and it would be foolish to assume they will.
jts
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This cannot be understated. Holy shit. The Playstation brand would be dead for a long time if selling 20% less than your previous huge hit was a path to doom. And we're talking a good bit more than 20%. What a bozo, no wonder Pachter applauds.
Nintendo made more money from 2000 to 2006 than Sony did with the PS2.
Gamecube was profitable for more of its life than PS2.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
No, it does not even start to compare to the PS3´s library this year.
See but the Wii U probably isn't going to take off. It's on a Gamecube trajectory right now, or slightly under. People have false hopes. We can compare the Wii U's first year to other consoles and it doesn't look like a 360 or a PS3 (or a Wii, or a N64, or a SNES, etc.) It looks much worse.