Ingueferroque
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He paid $100 to go to a Gamestop event.
Microsoft Is So Sorry About How It's Treated Xbox One Fans So Far
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He paid $100 to go to a Gamestop event.
Who is to stay how many? What if Killer Instinct bombs? I wouldn't hesitate that Microsoft would pull the plug on DH fast if they weren't making money off KI.
That's my biggest worry behind this whole model. Playstation All-Stars was supposed to get DLC for a whole year, it bombed and Sony sent Superbot packing. We lost Abe, Dart and who knows who else.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
All aboard the MS tour.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I remember playing Kameo at a GameStop in 2005. It was one of my first times playing a game in HD, and it was downright beautiful. The colors aboutsutely popped before your eyes.
SymbolicGamer
Banned
But they do. And I get jumped on and called stupid because I don't think Microsoft should be apologizing to the Jeff Lanes of the world. Jeff Lane was never going to buy an Xbox One.
Seeing as there were a number of juniors who recently got banned because they were found to be MS shills, I think we have a good reason to be suspect.
Too little too late? Lol the system isn't even out!
I'd be willing to bet anything the vast majority of people who buy games have no clue what DRM even is, and these apologies are for the vocal hardcore.
This should be an exciting time if gaming is your hobby. Instead it's turning into this weird circle jerk where people actively want MS to fail.
I see sales being a lot closer than some people think. Both systems are gonna do well and it will be an exciting time
People keep saying this, but there's no reason it has to be true. Movies continue to be sold in physical format; music continues to be sold in physical format. And you don't have to give up your physical property rights to do this.
Why is all of a sudden gaming has to be the one to give it up?
Of course, the answer is we don't and you've been sold a false flag of PR nonsense about the necessity of the action. Yes, gaming - like movies and music - are going to move to increase their digital presence and perhaps even prioritize it. Sony and Microsoft are doing that even with the systems they currently have in place for PS4 and XBO.
But there is no reason - literally, zero reasons - why that has to come with giving up physical property rights. When this digital age comes on consoles, it'll be alongside those physical discs and the rights that come with it, not at the exclusion of them.
Yeah. People complain about the overly negative nature of posts about XBO on this forum, but there has already been a noteworthy uptick in the positivity surrounding XBO news now after the 180s. Eventually, we will all get to the point where we move on if we feel secure that Microsoft won't attempt this again. That's the last barrier - because Microsoft keeps suggesting they don't get why consumers rejected their vision, they think it was a messaging problem. It was incidentally ALSO a messaging problem, but the issue was not primarily that. It was a problem with the WAY they were approaching their digital future. It was abhorrent and provided few relative benefits to gamers versus what we were losing, and just poured on the benefits to publishers, devs and Microsoft itself. It was a ridiculous approach all around.
Considering that was Rare's third take at Kameo (Gamecube, Xbox, then 360) I was really happy with how it turned out!
Like pushing to fuck other people, then when your wife is upset you'd ever suggest such a thing, you say you're sorry that she's so ugly you wish to fuck other people.
Brad Grenz
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Except they're wrong and they know it, which is why such statements are just them spreading FUD.
Pretty much this. Heck, there were a bunch of juniors defending MS policy before the 180 who were found to have MS emails hence shills.
Kabuki Waq
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SymbolicGamer
Banned
Then you should be glad they did the demo model and you didn't buy a fully priced game that bombed.
nailbombxx
Member
I find it hard to believe anything other than this is just some scheme to salvage whatever access to people's pockets that they can after their huge blunder.
so lets see how this story got started
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360," says Mattrick
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Any modern product these days you look at it [and] $499 isnt a ridiculous price point. Were delivering thousands of dollars of value to people, so I think theyre going to love it when they use it.
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"We will kill Sony at E3"
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When asked about DRM and 24 hr check in
I dont think, I mean were really not going to change anything weve done with Xbox One. Were very happy, did you see the games on stage during our briefing? Did you see the exclusives? I mean were really really proud of the system and the games that are coming out. When you look at games like TitanFall, have you gone through Titanfall yet? Enough said. Conversation over.(major Nelson )
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But then something funny happened after e3
Based on Feedback From Retailers, Sony Says PS4 Pre-Orders are Ahead of Xbox One in the UK"
http://www.************************...4-pre-orders-are-ahead-of-xbox-one-in-the-uk/
IGN:E3 2013: PS4 Outpacing Xbox One Pre-Orders
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/e3-2013-ps4-outpacing-xbox-one-pre-orders
General Media :
PS4's Price And Policies Humiliate Microsoft's Xbox One At E3
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...policies-humiliate-microsofts-xbox-one-at-e3/
Sony brutally destructs Microsoft's Xbox One plan with its PlayStation 4 console at E3
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/5...th-its-playstation-4-console-at-e3/index.html
This is not apology tour. This is fuck you I got caught tour.
If you wanna prove and really listen to consumer. give a Kinectless SKU, Take F2P and other apps off pay wall, don't come here in GAF and treat us like little retards with your fucking car analogy and DirectX bullshit .
You sound nothing like a humble company. And still treat your consumers as if we are mentally challenged sheepskin.
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360," says Mattrick
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Any modern product these days you look at it [and] $499 isnt a ridiculous price point. Were delivering thousands of dollars of value to people, so I think theyre going to love it when they use it.
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"We will kill Sony at E3"
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When asked about DRM and 24 hr check in
I dont think, I mean were really not going to change anything weve done with Xbox One. Were very happy, did you see the games on stage during our briefing? Did you see the exclusives? I mean were really really proud of the system and the games that are coming out. When you look at games like TitanFall, have you gone through Titanfall yet? Enough said. Conversation over.(major Nelson )
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But then something funny happened after e3
Based on Feedback From Retailers, Sony Says PS4 Pre-Orders are Ahead of Xbox One in the UK"
http://www.************************...4-pre-orders-are-ahead-of-xbox-one-in-the-uk/
IGN:E3 2013: PS4 Outpacing Xbox One Pre-Orders
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/e3-2013-ps4-outpacing-xbox-one-pre-orders
General Media :
PS4's Price And Policies Humiliate Microsoft's Xbox One At E3
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...policies-humiliate-microsofts-xbox-one-at-e3/
Sony brutally destructs Microsoft's Xbox One plan with its PlayStation 4 console at E3
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/5...th-its-playstation-4-console-at-e3/index.html
This is not apology tour. This is fuck you I got caught tour.
If you wanna prove and really listen to consumer. give a Kinectless SKU, Take F2P and other apps off pay wall, don't come here in GAF and treat us like little retards with your fucking car analogy and DirectX bullshit .
You sound nothing like a humble company. And still treat your consumers as if we are mentally challenged sheepskin.
Liamario
Banned
Yes, Bish made a post right around E3 about how FASCINATING it was to see the people who just joined after May 21 and how many of them were clearly MS shills.
SirMossyBloke
Member
I see major nelson is trying to get an account here. I wonder if he's gonna post in this thread.
Considering how long I've waited for a new Killer Instinct, I shouldn't happy they brought it back with only six characters and no story mode. Microsoft is taking a risk here, and a part me is hoping it works for them because I want KI to succeed.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Don't forget the Adam Orth scandal. I'm surprised that wasn't the wake up call to Microsoft.
You should look at Microsoft's long history of being anti-competitor with their products, as well as being anti-consumer towards consumers.
The Xbox One certainly isn't their first time of being anti-consumer towards consumers.
Other than buying their direct competitors product, what else are you going to do to stick it to this Multinational Corporation? be hyper critical of their PR on message boards?
and you can't believe there are people who don't share the same perceived values you do? what?
Yep, see above. Don't have a link a thread at the moment though (currently on my phone) but Bish found out and banned them.
You skirted the real issue of GAF just being childish at this point. Shitting up every thread with bitching about things that are no longer true, or trying to keep those of us who have moved on stuck in the past.
The act of going around the country and talking directly to gamers, dropping the flash and marketing, just taking and answering questions from the community is not a bad thing to do given their circumstances.
They have A LOT to clear up with people beyond this messaging board, so they've chosen to go directly to gamers.
Additionally, I don't see anywhere that MS called it an apology tour. The editor seemed to infer that, but this could easily have been called a Q&A tour with the rest of the article being exactly the same.
Agreed on all points, it's a mess, and there are things still to be addressed. Those aren't the points that shit up threads though. In this very thread there are many STILL complaining about the DRM feature, which was removed months ago, as justification for attacking the actions of MS now, even those so simple as a Q&A tour.
I'm sure MS wasn't planning on Kinect Sports Rivals to be delayed, but that's what happened. I'd rather they make the game work well than release it just as a checkbox. Like any console launch, I know well enough that there will be more games on the way. This is just part of being an early adopter, but I can see how some people could be turned off by it.
I don't at all understand the venom towards things like limited worldwide release or no external HDD support at launch. In the past there were months between Japan, NA, and EU getting the consoles. It's launching in major territories. What's the big deal? As for the HDD, who the hell is going to fill up 500 GB at launch? Hardly discussion worthy right now.
I can understand those who are done with the brand and those on the fence, but not those who just shit up threads. There is confusion, MS has to clear it up, so they are going on a tour to do so. Makes sense to do it. Can't make sense of attacking them because of it, so the attitude in this thread is just sad to see as it demonstrates just how childish GAF can be.
I'd do a thread (assuming there already isn't one), but can't.
Went and made the thread and gave you full credit, hope you don't mind.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=671869
Broder Salsa
Banned
Don't forget Major Nelsons "How do you know that? Do you make these things" kind of response to AngryJoe when AngryJoe said they could just remove this 24 check up. Just for it to be announced a few days later that they removed it lol
baphomet
Member
There's a reason that Microsoft is going on an apology tour. They tried to fuck their fans, and realized that they alienated a massive part of consumers willing to go out and actually buy the thing. The negativity is well deserved. As far as I'm concerned they can fuck off for good. They'll never get another purchase from me.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Anyways I think it's important to note that although they've shifted their messaging when it comes to gamers, they've opened the media barrage with a sports/skype advertisement.
They still think of the Xbone as a device for joe sixpack and soccer moms...
They still think of the Xbone as a device for joe sixpack and soccer moms...
LiquidSolid
Member
They did compromise their original plan after that though, changing the dial-in from every 3 minutes to once a day.
SwiftDeath
Member
I am excited but lets be honest MOST people only buy one maybe two consoles and the second is usually bought way down the line. Despite the impression you might have on gaf a minority of gamers buy every console. There have been polls done on this.
The Xbone was terrible for a very long time even after pre-orders went live. I like most saw how bad it was and secured a ps4 as well as many games through e3 promotions. The "too little too late" statement is more than hyperbolic rhetoric for effect, it is truth.
Changing course so late is meaningless when many already committed to the ps4 and the games that were on sale through e3 promotions. For many it is literally too late to change.
Personally did not like the patronizing tone MS took with consumers treating us like idiots left and right and i see all the efforts now as disingenuous desperation and nothing more. This imo is more about rewarding Sony for being on the level than punishing MS for behaving badly.
Syphon Filter
Member
Only if gamers did the same for paying for online, now both need to pay for online.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
First Albert and now Hryb mentions "for the next 10 years"
Looks like that's their projection for the gen's length. I mean it was pretty obvious based on trends, but still.
Looks like that's their projection for the gen's length. I mean it was pretty obvious based on trends, but still.
vasametropolis
Member
I know somebody didn't like this, but I have to say this fits perfectly.
CouldBeWorse
Member
Nearly every company selling goods and services could be defined as "anti-consumer" depending upon how you want to define the term.
Also, every single company has one goal and one goal only - to make money. Every decision they make is a calculated attempt to extract more money out of your pocket. You shouldn't "trust" any of them, no matter what side (if any) you find yourself on.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
It's hard to convince me to spend money. A product needs to make a case as to why its worth purchasing.
Microsoft's Xbox One reveal actively made me want to avoid it. Even if they reversed many of those decisions, they haven't made many inroads in convincing me to spend money. A lot of money.
A gamer should never be demonized for not wanting to buy something, and being skeptical, especially when it was a shit sandwich only a matter of months ago. That's a smart purchasing mentality.
Microsoft's Xbox One reveal actively made me want to avoid it. Even if they reversed many of those decisions, they haven't made many inroads in convincing me to spend money. A lot of money.
A gamer should never be demonized for not wanting to buy something, and being skeptical, especially when it was a shit sandwich only a matter of months ago. That's a smart purchasing mentality.
NullPointer
Member
Who should pay $60 a year to use their media player.
Maybe MS can apologize by ditching the Gold fees. Put Sony on the defensive for once.
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Haha. Well, it was a nice thought for a moment there anyway. As long as MS thinks a subscription should be necessary to use a browser or watch Netflix or YouTube they can fuck right off with the trying to be nice act.
SirMossyBloke
Member
"We are sorry guys, really. But you still have to pay $60 a year to use Internet Explorer"
vasametropolis
Member
Putting complete trust in companies is always stupid, but trusting MS to do the right thing from now on with Xbox is laughable. I was a long time fan and I doubt they'll ever get me back. They are just so damn disengenuous and out of touch these days.
CambriaRising
Member
This is a good start to earning our trust back. As a long time Xbox fan, how they have acted since 2010 has been crappy. Raising the price if Xbox live was the start in a long line of bad decisions.
Oh please...you're ALWAYS in the middle of these back and forths. And now you're baffled that some people take it seriously?
Get real dude.
Fair enough. Again, I didn't give much thought to it because it personally doesn't effect me, but as I said I completely understand why there was such a backlash.
Though I don't think the messaging issues overshadow the actually policy issues, it was undoubtedly a massive failure. When huge features like Family Sharing are coming up in random interviews with so-so confirmation and a whole bunch of grey area, you are absolutely failing at trying to convince the consumer why they should accept your admittedly anti-consumer approach to the future.
Not to be the guy who brings up Steam again, but there's a reason why Steam is such a huge success. They offer incentives to change your approach to buying games, (physical -> digital) not reasons as to why you should switch surrounded by a bunch of horrible PR and misleading comments. If MS had come out of the gate with a solution that focused on incentivizing digital sales instead of just ripping away consumer rights and choice, we'd be having a very different conversation about what the Xbox One is.
Please, get over yourself. People like myself aren't blind enough to easily forgive a certain company for pulling such ridiculous stunts like you are.
Whatever. There are tons of people who are fans of physical media much more so than digital.
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