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[Figboy79]

I'm a little torn on this.

I view the situation like this:

The family was protecting their loved ones by chasing this guy away.

The guy fled.

They still proceeded to hand him an ass-whoopin of epic proportions, landing him in critical condition. I feel this was excessive.

ON THE OTHER HAND:

A stranger outside of your window, peeping on your underage daughters, naked and fapping, is clearly experiencing an escalation of his lusts/desires/issues/whatever the hell you want to call it. In my opinion, it would have only been a matter of time before he went even further, potentially even kidnapping and hurting/killing one/both of the girls.

With that thought in mind, I can't help but feel a little Ivan Drago about this: "If he dies, he dies." It's very, very possible that they ultimately saved their girls from a terrible, terrible fate.

Like I said, I'm torn on this. I'm glad the guy got apprehended, but I feel the family may have gone a bit too far, especially if the guy dies. If he lives, well, fuck him, he got what he deserved. Lol.

EDIT: With all of that said, I have 3 nieces, 23, 17, and 13, and I'd have probably went apeshit if some perv was peeping on them too.

 

[Zhengi]

No, what's most likely is that he gets caught, thrown in jail for 5-20 years, where he is physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually abused by the guards and other inmates, and if he's lucky enough to make it out alive and without being infected with heptatitis or HIV, branded a sex offender for life, unable to live or work in most communities, identified to everyone within a 2-3 mile radius via mail flyers containing graphic details of his crimes, his name, picture, and address whenever he does find a place he can move to, for the rest of his days.

5-10 years? In the above article, it says he's currently being charged for fourth degree felony for 1-2 years. I'm not even sure where you are getting the 5-10 years bit.

 

[AuthenticM]

He trespasses for the sole purpose of jacking off to underage girls, then physically assaults the brother when he's confronted... all before attempting to flee from the scene of a felony crime.

Yet a punch to the stomach would have been pushing it?

Lmao dude. Oh shit.

The story does not say that the perpetrator assaulted the brother. Where did you get that ? It was three against one naked dude. He ran after getting caught. They rightfully chased him down. But instead of holding him down in wait of the police as they should have done, they proceeded to beat the living shit out of him. Enough to be in critical condition.

That is not okay. It wasn't self-defense. It was a straight-up assault. It doesn't matter that was he was doing was disgusting and reprehensible; he was not being a threat to the physical integrity of the girls. He should have been restrained so he could answer to his crimes in a court of law.

Yeah, this is my opinion, because I am not a fucking caveman.

 

[travisbickle]

If you don't chase a man down and beat him to near death for jerking off in the bushes, then he's going to think he can get away with a prison sentence for it!!!

 

[Sats]

If you don't chase a man down and beat him to near death for jerking off in the bushes, then he's going to think he can get away with a prison sentence for it!!!

If there's one thing I've learn, it's that I should keep a gun so I can shoot criminals so they don't have a chance to get away.

Remember neighbor: Shoot to kill!

 

[SUPREME1]

The story does not say that the perpetrator assaulted the brother.

He punched the brother when the brother found him. Then fled, was caught and was punished accordingly.

 

[Sats]

He punched the brother when the brother found him. Then fled, was caught and was punished accordingly.

I'm pretty sure the law books do not say "Pedophile voyeurs should be beaten into critical condition when caught"

So no, you are literally wrong.

 

[Yasae]

Only on GAF would we condemn people for not acting like complete animals.

 

[Sats]

Only on GAF would we condemn people for not acting like complete animals.

I don't want to associate with someone who implies that I am a pedophile for not wanting to take the law into my own hands.

 

[SUPREME1]

I'm pretty sure the law books do not say "Pedophile voyeurs should be beaten into critical condition when caught"

So no, you are literally wrong.

Who the fuck mentioned it was lawful?

Street justice prevailed on this one. Thankfully so.

 

[AuthenticM]

He punched the brother when the brother found him. Then fled, was caught and was punished accordingly.

Even with that, you do not beat the man until he is in critical condition.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

1. Who said he should die?

I'm not saying he should die. But I would understand.

2. He swung first

And got what was coming to him after.

3. You can put someone in critical by decking them once if you catch them the wrong way or they slam their head against something. You don't have to whale on a person to hospitalize them.

You can fucking kill someone with a single punch if it's lights out and their head hits the solid ground.

Even with that, you do not beat the man until he is in critical condition.

Doubt they were saying "Let's beat him into critical condition". They probably beat his ass until he stopped fighting back. And I don't blame them when a sicko is jerking off to their daughters on their property.

This notion of "violence is always bad" is bullshit. Violence was absolutely justified and when he gets his ass out the hospital I bet he thinks twice before he goes jerking off on peoples lawns while drooling at their children. Nasty.

 

[Slayven]

Even with that, you do not beat the man until he is in critical condition.

And you don't trespass buck naked on people's property and scare their kids. Dude actions put him in that spot.

 

[fanboi]

And you don't trespass buck naked on people's property and scare their kids. Dude actions put him in that spot.

Yes, but we should act the bigger man and do what is necessary and not what we want to do, as in this case, chase him down, detain him, get police to do the rest.

 

[Slayven]

Yes, but we should act the bigger man and do what is necessary and not what we want to do, as in this case, chase him down, detain him, get police to do the rest.

People don't get bullet time to sit down and analyze situations. He saw a naked guy menacing his daughters and punch his son.

 

[User 100115]

I honestly find a lot of the posts in here fascinating.

So many people saying that violence isn't the answer for this crime.

Yet in that one thread where a woman slept with another guy before her divorce was finalized, and the husband killed her lover, and the majority of the response was 'Welp, don't want to die don't cheat.'

So violence for masturbator watching teen girls=Not okay
Violence for sleeping with someone else while technically still married=okay

 

[Jack_AG]

I don't think he deserved to have his ass beaten like that. Sorry but a few punches and kicks? Okay that's cool, but straight out stompin the fuck outta this dude to within an inch of his life? Sounds like they might have anger issues.

No. A couple of punches and kicks and a slap on the wrist for peeping from the law will not stop a man sick enough to do this. Beat the fucker until he is hanging by a thread before he escalates his habits to kidnap and rape.

Have no fucking pity for filth like this. None. If he doesn't learn a hard lesson it will be someone else's teenage daughter.

 

[Moff]

I dont think its ok to kill someone for peeping.

But that was a very emotional situation, and I cant blame the family to react how they did. Its not predictable how I would react myself in such a situation.

 

[jorma]

I honestly find a lot of the posts in here fascinating.

So many people saying that violence isn't the answer for this crime.

Yet in that one thread where a woman slept with another guy before her divorce was finalized, and the husband killed her lover, and the majority of the response was 'Welp, don't want to die don't cheat.'

So violence for masturbator watching teen girls=Not okay
Violence for sleeping with someone else while technically still married=okay

Well there ARE a lot of Betas on GAF

 

[fanboi]

People don't get bullet time to sit down and analyze situations. He saw a naked guy menacing his daughters and punch his son.

No, but a deep rooted moral compass in me is to never beat someone to near death unless myself or my family is in direct danger for their lives.

 

[LosDaddie]

Good on the family for doing what was right. maybe a tad excessive, but I have no sympathy for the guy.

Don't be a pedo peeping tom, and you won't have to worry about getting your sorry ass handed to you. Simple.

Here in awesome FL, if I had caught some peeping tom jerking off outside my daughter's window ( and yes, I do have a daughter), I would've grabbed my glock .40 and ran outside to confront him.

 

[lil smoke]

I'm willing to go to prison if someone is fucking with my family in that way.

People are going to feel different about these things.

You get caught with dirty hands like that, you might lose your life. Warnings are out there, fuck your "crazy, ADD" defenses.

 

[-MB-]

I honestly find a lot of the posts in here fascinating.

So many people saying that violence isn't the answer for this crime.

Yet in that one thread where a woman slept with another guy before her divorce was finalized, and the husband killed her lover, and the majority of the response was 'Welp, don't want to die don't cheat.'

So violence for masturbator watching teen girls=Not okay
Violence for sleeping with someone else while technically still married=okay

Maybe you should point to specific users who said that in that thread, and preach in here that violence isn't the answer for this crime, because different people having different views is not a surprise.
And GAF isn't a single entity.

 

[The Technomancer]

I honestly find a lot of the posts in here fascinating.

So many people saying that violence isn't the answer for this crime.

Yet in that one thread where a woman slept with another guy before her divorce was finalized, and the husband killed her lover, and the majority of the response was 'Welp, don't want to die don't cheat.'

So violence for masturbator watching teen girls=Not okay
Violence for sleeping with someone else while technically still married=okay

Come on Fiction, I expected a bit better then that :/
Can you point to any posters in both threads who hold these contradictory opinions?

 

[ihearthawthats]

Good on the family for doing what was right. maybe a tad excessive, but I have no sympathy for the guy.

Don't be a pedo peeping tom, and you won't have to worry about getting your sorry ass handed to you. Simple.

Here in awesome FL, if I had caught some peeping tom jerking off outside my daughter's window ( and yes, I do have a daughter), I would've grabbed my glock .40 and ran outside to confront him.

and shot him?

these guys did more than confront the creeper.

 

[fanboi]

Good on the family for doing what was right. maybe a tad excessive, but I have no sympathy for the guy.

Don't be a pedo peeping tom, and you won't have to worry about getting your sorry ass handed to you. Simple.

Here in awesome FL, if I had caught some peeping tom jerking off outside my daughter's window ( and yes, I do have a daughter), I would've grabbed my glock .40 and ran outside to confront him.

I have two daughters and I wouldn't.

Heck, beating the living crap out of him could even be the tipping over form doing "harmless" (not really but still) peeping, to serious attack.

Of course, I have nothing to back that up.

 

[Slayven]

I have two daughters and I wouldn't.

Heck, beating the living crap out of him could even be the tipping over form doing "harmless" (not really but still) peeping, to serious attack.

Of course, I have nothing to back that up.

He walked naked 4 houses down to peep. Dude was escalating.

 

[User 100115]

Maybe you should point to specific users who said that in that thread, and preach in here that violence isn't the answer for this crime, because different people having different views is not a surprise.
And GAF isn't a single entity.

Come on Fiction, I expected a bit better then that :/
Can you point to any posters in both threads who hold these contradictory opinions?

I just find it interesting. No I can't point specifically to people, because my memory isn't perfect But it IS interesting to me the difference between the majority of posts in both threads. I am not saying Gaf is a single entity. I tend to be against violence myself.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

I honestly find a lot of the posts in here fascinating.

So many people saying that violence isn't the answer for this crime.

Yet in that one thread where a woman slept with another guy before her divorce was finalized, and the husband killed her lover, and the majority of the response was 'Welp, don't want to die don't cheat.'

So violence for masturbator watching teen girls=Not okay
Violence for sleeping with someone else while technically still married=okay

That's because a lot of people here are okay with what he did. Remember the creepshots thread? And I'm sure you've seen the "16 is the age of consent in my state" posts or the "mental condition" arguments whenever the topic of someone underage is brought up.

 

[TheOMan]

If there's one thing I've learn, it's that I should keep a gun so I can shoot criminals so they don't have a chance to get away.

Remember neighbor: Shoot to kill!

Pretty much. If they shot him on their property, it would probably be all good.

 

[The Technomancer]

That's because a lot of people here are okay with what he did. Remember the creepshots thread? And I'm sure you've seen the "16 is the age of consent in my state" posts or the "mental condition" arguments whenever the topic of someone underage is brought up.

Or maybe you're just projecting based on how you feel about what he did

See, I can make baseless character accusations too!

 

[Anticitizen One]

On the one hand they were protecting their family from a fucking disgusting creep, I can't blame them for that.

On the other hand, they probably killed this guy... a fleeing creep is still fleeing.

On the other other hand, if I'm reading this right he technically was trespassing on their property.

Weighing everything, I don't really feel any sympathy.... is that bad?

No it's not.

The whole scenario is hilarious and the best part is if the peeper lives he will have learned a life lesson!

 

[Symphonia]

Why are people still defending him? The dude was outside a teenage girls bedroom, jerking off, while butt naked. He's quite clearly fucked in the head and needs to be put away for everyones safety. And hopefully, his ass-kicking will be a sharp reminded that you fuck around with a parents child in any shape or form, and you will get your ass handed to you on a silver platter.

 

[DY_nasty]

Or maybe you're just projecting based on how you feel about what he did

See, I can make baseless character accusations too!

Its not projecting when people in this thread have said that this guy defending his family was just as disturbed as the pedophile that was masturbating in the bushes.

"He was just peeping"

Etc

 

[highrider]

Its not projecting when people in this thread have said that this guy defending his family was just as disturbed as the pedophile that was masturbating in the bushes.

"He was just peeping"

Etc

Did you read the part about the father's criminal record of domestic violence? He beats his wife and kids. I would say he is a disturbed individual, and has probably done far greater damage to the family than this incident.

This ain't a movie. You don't just beat the fuck out of somebody and everything is right in the world.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Masturbation in Moderation: A Self-Help Guide to Not Getting Your Ass Beat

Preface by Michael David Barrett
Chapter 1: What is masterbating and why should you master it?
Chapter 2: Ziplocs, Kleenex, and freshly laundered socks
Chapter 3: The Dutch rudder

 

[Slayven]

Did you read the part about the father's criminal record of domestic violence? He beats his wife and kids. I would say he is a disturbed individual, and has probably done far greater damage to the family than this incident.

This ain't a movie. You don't just beat the fuck out of somebody and everything is right in the world.

Do you have the detailed court report? Was it 6 days ago? 6 months? 6 years?

When the cops left they felt the kids were safe because they left them in hsi custody?


So in short that shit is irrelevant to this incident.

 

[Seeds]

Do you have the detailed court report? Was it 6 days ago? 6 months? 6 years?

When the cops left they felt the kids were safe because they left them in hsi custody?

So in short that shit is irrelevant to this incident.

Not really irrelevant if he gets charged with something and he just happens to have a history of violence.

Why are people still defending him? The dude was outside a teenage girls bedroom, jerking off, while butt naked. He's quite clearly fucked in the head and needs to be put away for everyones safety. And hopefully, his ass-kicking will be a sharp reminded that you fuck around with a parents child in any shape or form, and you will get your ass handed to you on a silver platter.

It has been pointed out you that no one is defending his actions.

What people have said is that the dad went overboard, who because of his actions might actually spend more time in jail than the peep. How much help will the dad be to his daughter then?

 

[DY_nasty]

Do you have the detailed court report? Was it 6 days ago? 6 months? 6 years?

When the cops left they felt the kids were safe because they left them in hsi custody?


So in short that shit is irrelevant to this incident.

Preach.

He's not perfect - but that has nothing to do with what happened that night while he clearly wasn't the aggressor.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Why are people still defending him? The dude was outside a teenage girls bedroom, jerking off, while butt naked. He's quite clearly fucked in the head and needs to be put away for everyones safety. And hopefully, his ass-kicking will be a sharp reminded that you fuck around with a parents child in any shape or form, and you will get your ass handed to you on a silver platter.

People find it easier to take what they consider to be the moral high road, which in this case would seem to be chastise him firmly and wait for the speedy and efficient police, when they are not directly involved. It seems not so much like defending the pedo as it is condemning the beating, even though his own illegal actions and ensuing assault of one of the family members upon being confronted brought him to that place. The fact that the father has a record also makes it easier to denounce him as sadistic and violent.

I don't have kids, but I understand the family's actions completely, although not the degree to which they took it.

 

[highrider]

Do you have the detailed court report? Was it 6 days ago? 6 months? 6 years?

When the cops left they felt the kids were safe because they left them in hsi custody?


So in short that shit is irrelevant to this incident.

Yeah, who made you the arbiter of relevant information? Guarantee it will be relevant in court.

 

[Slayven]

Yeah, who made you the arbiter of relevant information? Guarantee it will be relevant in court.

How would it be relevant to the case?

 

[Sats]

I love how when I say I have a problem with people being beaten to death, I'm "defending a pedophile" and I'm "okay with what he did". Or I just get called a pedophile myself.

 

[The Technomancer]

Its not projecting when people in this thread have said that this guy defending his family was just as disturbed as the pedophile that was masturbating in the bushes.

"He was just peeping"

Etc

I'll grant you there have been like...three "he was just peeping" comments. They weird me out too. But saying the father was just as messed up is not necessarily an excusal of the peeping dude, it can equally just be a condemnation of such ridiculously violent behavior.

People find it easier to take what they consider to be the moral high road, which in this case would seem to be chastise him firmly and wait for the speedy and efficient police, when they are not directly involved. It seems not so much like defending the pedo as it is condemning the beating, even though his own illegal actions and ensuing assault of one of the family members upon being confronted brought him to that place. The fact that the father has a record also makes it easier to denounce him as sadistic and violent.

I don't have kids, but I understand the family's actions completely, although not the degree to which they took it.

I'm fine with them getting violent if thats what it took to subdue him. I'm not fine with them beating the ever loving shit out of him. Are shades of grey so hard to understand?

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Dude deserved the beating. I'm happy they fucked him up so bad. They absolutely should not be charged with anything.

Never would've got hurt if he wasn't creeping in the bushes.

 

[The Technomancer]

Dude deserved the beating. I'm happy they fucked him up so bad. They absolutely should not be charged with anything.

Never would've got hurt if he wasn't creeping in the bushes.

This can be applied to anything they decided to do. Decide to kill him? "Wouldn't have happened if he wasn't in the bushes". Decide for some weird reason to rape him? "Wouldn't have happened if he wasn't in the bushes". Is there anything at all you think they shouldn't have been allowed to do?

 

[Sats]

This can be applied to anything they decided to do. Decide to kill him? "Wouldn't have happened if he wasn't in the bushes". Decide for some weird reason to rape him? "Wouldn't have happened if he wasn't in the bushes". Is there anything at all you think they shouldn't have been allowed to do?

This is a really good point. What if they had raped him, in a really bizarre twist.

"He wouldn't have gotten raped if he wasn't peeping in the bushes."

"That robber wouldn't have gotten shot if he didn't try to rob that gun owner's house"

I'm a firm believer of "Hate the crime, not the criminal." I see a lot of GAF REALLY hates pedophiles. Now, it is absolutely okay to be disgusted by their behavior, but to just hate the person, and want them dead? This I can not agree with at all. Even less so if they never actually touched a kid.

 

[G. N. Arly]

If someone feels the need to take the law into their own hands why shouldn't they be treated like someone who's job it is to do it?
If a couple of cops chased down a peeping tom and beat him within an inch of his life they would be charged for that mess, right? Of course it's the policeman's job to take care of criminals and to stay within the boundaries of their training but come on. If this family wasn't trying to almost kill the dude it would be a different story, there could be some more leeway but it seems pretty clear that wasn't the case.

If you try to save someone's life who's drowning but don't have lifeguard training and you mess up and kill the dude there's the "Good Samaritan Act" and you're pretty much forgiven. If you try to save a drowner's life and screw up in an asinine, stupid, reckless way and make everything worse you don't get that leeway. Maybe there should be a similar thing for vigilantism?

This whole thing is ridiculous and I hope they all learned something from it.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

This can be applied to anything they decided to do. Decide to kill him? "Wouldn't have happened if he wasn't in the bushes". Decide for some weird reason to rape him? "Wouldn't have happened if he wasn't in the bushes". Is there anything at all you think they shouldn't have been allowed to do?

But they didn't rape or kill him.

They slapped the piss out of him. And I firmly believe it was justified.

 

[The Faceless Master]

If someone feels the need to take the law into their own hands why shouldn't they be treated like someone who's job it is to do it?
If a couple of cops chased down a peeping tom and beat him within an inch of his life they would be charged for that mess, right? Of course it's the policeman's job to take care of criminals and to stay within the boundaries of their training but come on. If this family wasn't trying to almost kill the dude it would be a different story, there could be some more leeway but it seems pretty clear that wasn't the case.

If you try to save someone's life who's drowning but don't have lifeguard training and you mess up and kill the dude there's the "Good Samaritan Act" and you're pretty much forgiven. If you try to save a drowner's life and screw up in an asinine, stupid, reckless way and make everything worse you don't get that leeway. Maybe there should be a similar thing for vigilantism?

This whole thing is ridiculous and I hope they all learned something from it.

actually, in most cases, the cops would walk. no charges would be filed unless there was a tape they didn't confiscate and destroy or if there was community uproar against them.

hell, in this particular case, if the dad was a cop, people would be even more lopsided with comments like "lucky he didn't have his service weapon on him!" and "i bet the cop deduced the guy was headed towards another house with small kids" and other stuff like that.