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[Lactose_Intolerant]

I just expect the ps4 multiplatforms to have better resolution + AA if everything is true. They will both have the same shit fps.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

PC just don't matter when it comes to talking about consoles for some gamers.
They just don't care about at all if even it 100 times more powerful .
I am most likely the only person who would game on my PC among my friends .
They don't even have a PC any more it's tables or laptop and consoles for games.
Also if you on gaf chances are you should know PC would destroy consoles so it makes no sense saying it in a vs consoles tread .

EDIT the thread say PS4 vs X1 and has nothing to do with PC .

 

[dragonelite]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

Seems about right since the reveal and leaks of the hardware.
Imaging what would happen in WiiU vs Xbone thread

Bringing up PC must be as annoying as bringing up killzone gifs in other threads?

 

[szaromir]

Some people just can't afford the a PC that would outperform next-gen consoles it has already explained here a million times, you're just spamming PC arguments for the sake of spamming them now. The RDR reference is interesting though considering that PS3 and 360 were pretty much equal yet the difference was so big because of more difficult hardware. This time Xbone is more difficult to develop for and significantly less powerful.

You were the one who first used PC as the point of reference of devs using extra horsepower for extra features.
And yes, for me it's hard to imagine that a gaming enthusiast couldn't afford a gaming PC given how much better experience you get on PC, especially if you wait 6-12 months after the launch you'll get a fairly cheap PC far, far outperforming PS4. The price argument doesn't make sense, particularly after adding the cost of paywalls on consoles.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

If someone says "multiplatform games will be better on PS4 than X1", isn't it just very natural to say "in that case, they will be better on PC"?
As a way of saying "if power is what makes the difference, then we should consider the option with even more power".


Who are "WE"?
Who makes those rules? Missed that part in the TOS. Is it ok to bring up the Wii U?

The reason we don't consider PC in these comparisons is no two pcs are the same in specs, so performance varies wildly, so you can't really do a apples to apples comparison.

The specs of the consoles is known, and standard, which makes such comparisons possible. On the PC side, you'd be, at best, comparing to reviewer defined specs that may or may not be common in the wild.

So in terms of consoles, we ignore the PC. In PC terms,the comparison is usually between different cpus, videocards, etc and so forth.

 

[Megadragon15]

It's not accurate. The architecture of the PS2 and Xbox were completely different.

The PS4 and Xbox One have CPUs and GPUs from the same manufacturer and generation.

So you are saying its like comparing the SNK Neo Geo to the Sega Genesis?

 

[Horp]

So how about

4. When there is a discussion about "the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

'Cause that one looks pretty explicit and straight-forward to me.

Look, anyone will tell you no shit that a game will look best on PC. Duh. End of story.

But that's the problem - when people bring up PC gaming, it's usually an attempt at thread derailment with a discussion-ending point that doesn't actually bring anything to the actual conversation at hand. That's why it irritates people when it gets brought up time and time again.

I don't want to derail threads. Yes maybe some people will, but I think the number of people derailing threads are the same among X1, PS4, PC and Nintendo fans. Assholes will asshole.

And I think the X1 people are even more irritated that time and time again it's being brought up that the PS4 is more powerful. The probably KNOW by now, right? How is it different, when the power disparity between PC and PS4 is being brought up?

The reason we don't consider PC in these comparisons is no two pcs are the same in specs, so performance varies wildly, so you can't really do a apples to apples comparison.

The specs of the consoles is known, and standard, which makes such comparisons possible. On the PC side, you'd be, at best, comparing to reviewer defined specs that may or may not be common in the wild.

So in terms of consoles, we ignore the PC. In PC terms,the comparison is usually between different cpus, videocards, etc and so forth.

I still don't know who "we" is. Do you mean GAF as a whole? Or PS4 fans? I know a lot of gaffers that don't mind comparing PCs to PS4. And I know a lot of PS4 fans (like me) who really don't mind that comparison. So who are 'we', and why does those 'we' think that they have the right to tell people to "GTFO" of their threads?

 

[Shambles]

Wow. The emotional insecurity of the console fanboys in here is staggering. In the sports threads to people freak out this bad when someone compares a 3rd line defenseman to PK Subban? Someone wants to bring up an outside point? Who cares, move on. Don't cry about it.

 

[Exokell]

Why the fuck would you compare a PC versus a console? Shit a PC could be a fucking 300 dollar laptop or a desktop with i7, 16 gigs of ram and quad GTX titan. How about you compare a PS4 to a 400 dollar PC?

I'm a main PC gamer but this "oh PC is more powerful blah blah" BS is gotta stop. PC gaming is fucking expensive, and PS4 is offering stunning graphics for 400 dollars.

Shit I'm just glad console gamers are gonna stop experiencing jaggies and below 30 fps games. Some xbox 360 owners brag about halo 4 graphics, but when I played it my eyes bled from all the jaggies.

 

[maverick40]

So we're going to ban PC discussion from GAF now? Because there've been threads on GAF that are completely Xbox One focused that almost always turn into Ps4 vs XBO debates, and the second PC GAF drops truth bombs people want to exclude it from discussions?

Missed the point entirely. Congrats

 

[Klocker]

Is the Xbox suddenly going to get more powerful in the next five years?

no these people commenting in article have barely wrapped their brains around the esram and how the XBO is designed... thses kinds of premature articldes are good for all of about two weeks as a snapshot in time of some peoples' perspective

certainly not indicative of what strengths will be revealed from the more complex design over the next months/years and as drivers mature to allow the full use of the designed hardware of the more complex design. experience, APIs etc. will make a difference over these early blurbs regarding unoptimized code on brand new hardware.*

(*assumes PS4 is easy to program for and less dependent on optimizing the strengths)

not to mention this very article recognizes some strengths inherent in XBO that could be leveraged to get parity, but the way the thread reads, the power comparisons are over

I disagree with that because ... premature

 

[jim2011]

Microsoft tried with comcast, and got shut down. they have an agreement with time warner.

Without an across the board agreement with all US cable operators, "tight integration" isn't happening.

For all, I agree. For some, it most definitely can. They really should try to work with TiVo, it's the only mainstream dvr independent of cable companies.

 

[Manmademan]

Wow. The emotional insecurity of the console fanboys in here is staggering. In the sports threads to people freak out this bad when someone compares a 3rd line defenseman to PK Subban?

sports and politics are far worse.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Power doesn't matter to me, a corporation saying their console is as powerful as a competitors and taking people's cash does.

MS need to get their shit together and prove it.

Well apparently we have to wait 2-3 years from now for Microsoft to actually prove the difference as the minimal difference at launch doesn't really count.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Shame it seems like the Xbone is going to hold back multiplatfom developments.

Hopefully not tho.

Well at least the upclock will help. It could have been worse.

 

[szaromir]

The best part of this comparison is that RDR is not even available on PC and it's considered one of the best this gen. You couldn't picked a worse comparison on your 'why ignore PC' spiel.

Not really, since the game itself is not interesting.

But when faced with 2 choices and one is clearly superior to the other, what reason would there be to buy the gimped console, exactly? Especially when it costs more.

I think it's long established that PS4 will run games better than Xbone. But when you say you want the best multiplats clearly you should not look at PS4.

 

[Pain]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

They're called the CONSOLE WARS for a reason. PC isn't a console. It's not relevant to this thread which is comparing PS4 to XB1.

 

[-Amon-]

And I think the X1 people are even more irritated that time and time again it's being brought up that the PS4 is more powerful. The probably KNOW by now, right? How is it different, when the power disparity between PC and PS4 is being brought up?

And i thought that thread titles still meant something.

 

[mrpeabody]

None of this vague hearsay "our sources tell us" BS matters one bit. Show me benchmarks on retail hardware.

 

[lucius]

That's kind of sad some developers might even gimp a PS4 version because of fear of Microsoft. If roles where switched around they likely wouldn't be too worried about going all out just making best version possible. I guess that's what happens when one company has billions to throw around, can't really blame them though some need big marketing to survive now and MS is always going to be in better position with that. Sounds like horrible way for the industry to run though.

 

[Appollowexx]

Oh God. Not shit shit again.


How many times does it need to be said? I don't want to play games with a mouse/kb. That means I'm never going to play a shooter online on PC, because even though I could use a controller in those games, I'll never be able to compete against m/kb players. Thus, all shooters are immediately console only games for me. THE END.

For a variety of reasons, including the major one I just gave, a large majority of people are not interested in PC gaming. Therefore when I'm discussing power in a console, the PC doesn't even enter the equation for me.

Well said. Console gaming is best. For me...

 

[artist]

So we're going to ban PC discussion from GAF now? Because there've been threads on GAF that are completely Xbox One focused that almost always turn into Ps4 vs XBO debates, and the second PC GAF drops truth bombs people want to exclude it from discussions?

I dont see PC anywhere in the title of this thread ..

 

[StevieP]

So how about

4. When there is a discussion about "the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

'Cause that one looks pretty explicit and straight-forward to me.

Look, anyone will tell you no shit that a game will look best on PC. Duh. End of story.

But that's the problem - when people bring up PC gaming, it's usually an attempt at thread derailment with a discussion-ending point that doesn't actually bring anything to the actual conversation at hand. That's why it irritates people when it gets brought up time and time again.

(And this doesn't even get into how you've painted the discussion in broad strokes in the first place)

The issue is that people here are discussing a relatively small difference in power (in comparison to the consoles vs an enthusiast gaming PC) in a 27 page thread about how important this performance gap is for multiplatform games.

Do you not see the immense level of hypocrisy in these comparisons? You can certainly cite "I don't want a damn PC!" or "I dislike keyboard and mouse so I can't be competitive online!" and that's a fine opinion to have. But if multiplatform performance were SO important as to have a heated insane 30 page thread (Digital Foundry threads will probably be similar) then why consider a 500gf difference so large in comparison to a 2tf difference?

 

[NoirVisage]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

why do you think that is genius? Seriously?

 

[bonus_sco]

So you are saying its like comparing the SNK Neo Geo to the Sega Genesis?

It's not like comparing any two consoles which have come before.

You've got one console with a CPU advantage and one with a GPU advantage but both can do exactly the same things. One can process on the CPU a bit faster, one can process on the GPU a bit faster.

The biggest difference is in the memory systems and you have to use the ESRAM in the Xbox One to get decent bandwidth. In certain situations you get more bandwidth thanks to being able to read/write to both memory pools at the same time.

There will be a difference between the consoles, but the 50% figure isn't accurate. It will be interesting to see how different games handle the balance.

 

[IcyEyes]

EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

This is the title of this thread and I think any PC reference is pretty OT.


So, enjoy the "new" thread :
EDGE: "Consoles power struggle: how much superior are the PCs"


And ...
This is for me :

 

[Pound_lb003]

So that person is definitely not interested in the highest quality, since all those things you listed have no bearing on it.

Highest quality does not exist in a vacuum. There will always be stipulations within it. And even then, highest quality what? User Experience? Because that's not a PC.

I am being pedantic of course. I just believe it's a stupid attitude to make out PC gaming is a realistic alternative to next-gen consoles for everyone interested in the 'highest quality'. Some people may LOVE to see the best image quality but don't know where to stick a GFX card, or not have $1000 to spend on a Titan.

I personally want the highest quality games, but I can't afford a GFX card that costs more than the PS4. I'll struggle with the PS4 as it is.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Oh God. Not shit shit again.


How many times does it need to be said? I don't want to play games with a mouse/kb. That means I'm never going to play a shooter online on PC, because even though I could use a controller in those games, I'll never be able to compete against m/kb players. Thus, all shooters are immediately console only games for me. THE END.

For a variety of reasons, including the major one I just gave, a large majority of people are not interested in PC gaming. Therefore when I'm discussing power in a console, the PC doesn't even enter the equation for me.

Exact same reason why I would never consider PC as my main gaming outlet either. No one I know has a gaming PC. Not one person.

 

[statham]

Oh God. Not shit shit again.


How many times does it need to be said? I don't want to play games with a mouse/kb. That means I'm never going to play a shooter online on PC, because even though I could use a controller in those games, I'll never be able to compete against m/kb players. Thus, all shooters are immediately console only games for me. THE END.

For a variety of reasons, including the major one I just gave, a large majority of people are not interested in PC gaming. Therefore when I'm discussing power in a console, the PC doesn't even enter the equation for me.

I'm not a kb/m guy either, and online shooters I don't play on PC, but everything else I play just fine with a controller.

 

[Horp]

Oh God. Not shit shit again.


How many times does it need to be said? I don't want to play games with a mouse/kb. That means I'm never going to play a shooter online on PC, because even though I could use a controller in those games, I'll never be able to compete against m/kb players. Thus, all shooters are immediately console only games for me. THE END.

For a variety of reasons, including the major one I just gave, a large majority of people are not interested in PC gaming. Therefore when I'm discussing power in a console, the PC doesn't even enter the equation for me.

I'm not saying you should play on PC. I'm talking about comparing power. In fact, I'm talking about exactly what I typed in that post: That certain aspects seem to matter when comparing X1 and PS4, but not when comparing PC and PS4. Things like IQ, framerate and resolution.

Of course there are other factors to bring in. I like sitting at my desk, you like using a controller. But my post was about SOME differentiating factors; namely power related ones.

 

[Osiris]

Not really, since the game itself is not interesting.
I think it's long established that PS4 will run games better than Xbone. But when you say you want the best multiplats clearly you should not look at PS4.

Which other console should I look at then?

(I have a PC, I don't play games on it really, don't like gaming at a desk and I'm not moving it and trailing wires across a living room with 2 kids and a dog in the house)

 

[HawksWinStanley]

the other one comes with touchpad in the controller for example. I wonder which feature do gamers may find more useful.

Completely off topic but are we going to be able to use the DS4 touchpad to freely navigate the UI? In the few videos I've seen everybody was using the sticks. If we can use it to navigate the screen like a laptop that would actually be really handy.

 

[thuway]

/QUOTE]

I'll bite.

The Xbox 1 / PS4 debate is relevant because of the gross amount of FUD being thrown around by Microsoft and previous generation fanboys. Microsoft can only be described as a fish floundering outside of water. They have sent Penello to GAF, Major Nelson has slowly lost his credibility (Have you seen Major-Fall?), and the 180 degree spin is a breathtaking repeat of Kutaragi and Tretton's verbal destruction of the PlayStation brand circa 2005.

This conversation exists in its own vacuum because there is an overwhelming amount of gamers who would prefer to play on consoles. As a PC Gamer, I understand why people play consoles, and I understand their appeal, so it becomes annoying and trivial when every thread discussing consoles is somehow befitted with a spokesman for the master race waving his arms on the failings of these petty machines.


PC gaming has its audience, and no one is doubting PC Gaming's visual prowess - (I am a member of the superior race), but GAF has become a little insane where every thread about next-gen was somehow mucked up with a certain few unfiltered members who kept asserting that next generation consoles were a waste of time and that the unwashed heathens had yet to understand what the PC offered.

This persecution complex can go both ways, PC wins, 100% we get it, but the more pressing discussion is how these consoles will fare against each other.

The only variable that hasn't changed: delusional fans of EITHER side (PC, Xbox, or PS).

 

[Appollowexx]

It'll be annoying if the Xbox being underpowered and MS throwing it's weight around does, as hinted at by developers, end up having a negative effect on the end result of PS4 software performance.

Especially after Sony spent so long with developers trying to build them the perfect 'box'.

Pisses me off that FF XV is multiplatform now.

 

[maverick40]

Wow. The emotional insecurity of the console fanboys in here is staggering. In the sports threads to people freak out this bad when someone compares a 3rd line defenseman to PK Subban? Someone wants to bring up an outside point? Who cares, move on. Don't cry about it.

Wow the insecurity of pc gamers is beyond ridiculous at this stage. PC wasn't even mentioned once in the OP and yet somehow it must be compared to the two home consoles, why? It is 100% fact that multiplats will look and perform better on pc but that has literally nothing to do with this thread. EDGE have compared the Xbox one to the PS4 not the pc because it is a futile endeavor and a waste of time.

 

[NullPointer]

Maybe people could take this PC shit to mobile gaming threads where the power difference will shine even more (seriously, it'll be like showing the natives how to make fire -- just imagine!). Consoles are a different class of device, with different baselines and expectations.

I'd think this would be obvious.

 

[BruiserBear]

I'm not saying you should play on PC. I'm talking about comparing power. In fact, I'm talking about exactly what I typed in that post: That certain aspects seem to matter when comparing X1 and PS4, but not when comparing PC and PS4. Things like IQ, framerate and resolution.

Of course there are other factors to bring in. I like sitting at my desk, you like using a controller. But my post was about SOME differentiating factors; namely power related ones.

But in the minds of many of us, the PC doesn't even exist as a gaming platform. It doesn't even enter the equation.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

And I think the X1 people are even more irritated that time and time again it's being brought up that the PS4 is more powerful. The probably KNOW by now, right?

Unfortunately, no. MS's PR team hasn't exactly helped things the last couple of weeks, either. They're basically trying to prey upon anyone who can't read a spec sheet and get them to believe in a fantasy at this point.

 

[KageMaru]

Article doesn't make sense in some ways. The cloud and updated drivers aren't going to tip the favor over to the xbone. I also don't see politics getting in the way of disparities in the ports. There have been plenty of games this Gen where a system had a shitty port compared to the competition (FFXIII or FEAR for ex.) with no corporate uproar.

 

[Pain]

I don't want to derail threads. Yes maybe some people will, but I think the number of people derailing threads are the same among X1, PS4, PC and Nintendo fans. Assholes will asshole.

And I think the X1 people are even more irritated that time and time again it's being brought up that the PS4 is more powerful. The probably KNOW by now, right? How is it different, when the power disparity between PC and PS4 is being brought up?
(

Do they? There are people like AppleSexual and UnnDunn who take PR as gospel and refuse to believe the PS4 has a big advantage.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

I don't want to derail threads. Yes maybe some people will, but I think the number of people derailing threads are the same among X1, PS4, PC and Nintendo fans. Assholes will asshole.

And I think the X1 people are even more irritated that time and time again it's being brought up that the PS4 is more powerful. The probably KNOW by now, right? How is it different, when the power disparity between PC and PS4 is being brought up?



I still don't know who "we" is. Do you mean GAF as a whole? Or PS4 fans? I know a lot of gaffers that don't mind comparing PCs to PS4. And I know a lot of PS4 fans (like me) who really don't mind that comparison. So who are 'we', and why does those 'we' think that they have the right to tell people to "GTFO" of their threads?

We woudl be the folks who hate how PC gamers always try to insert their platform superiority in every last console versus console thread on the internet. Most of the time, it's not really relevant.

There are some circumstances where it may be, such as the idea that all games are lowest denominator only (they clearly aren't). But there is no point to arguing PC versus console when trying to make a power comparison between two consoles because 'PC' isn't one set of specs, it's an infinite variety.

I mean, are you trying to compare the ps4 and Xbone to a $299 wal-mart special PC or a $400 bleeding edge rig? There is no baseline for apples to apples between console and PC.

 

[omonimo]

Well apparently we have to wait 2-3 years from now for Microsoft to actually prove the difference as the minimal difference at launch doesn't really count.

What exactly has proved microsoft technically except to repeat difference are minimal again & again? From what I see technically, ps4 launch titles are mostly1080p, are you that sure Ryse will be 1080p too? I have some big doubt. I have in mind Killer Istinct suspected to be 720p, or Forza which use prebaked light, I mean, both have not proved enough the xbone has some limits even at the launch?

 

[Omni]

What exactly has proved microsoft technically except to repeat difference are minimal again & again? From what I see technically, ps4 launch titles are mostly1080p, are you that sure Ryse will be 1080p too? I have some big doubt.

wut

 

[ypo]

Has any of those developers invented DirectX? NO!

 

[szaromir]

Highest quality does not exist in a vacuum. There will always be stipulations within it. And even then, highest quality what? User Experience? Because that's not a PC.

I am being pedantic of course. I just believe it's a stupid attitude to make out PC gaming is a realistic alternative to next-gen consoles for everyone interested in the 'highest quality'. Some people may LOVE to see the best image quality but don't know where to stick a GFX card, or not have $1000 to spend on a Titan.

I personally want the highest quality games, but I can't afford a GFX card that costs more than the PS4. I'll struggle with the PS4 as it is.

Then you don't want the highest quality experience if you're willing to compromise for whatever reason.

And yes, the user experience on PC is far better than on consoles. Significantly shorter loading times, experience customized to your needs thanks to plethora of options in nearly every aspect.

Which other console should I look at then?

(I have a PC, I don't play games on it really, don't like gaming at a desk and I'm not moving it and trailing wires across a living room with 2 kids and a dog in the house)

Yes, because consoles don't need to be plugged to the wall.

 

[cyberheater]

except it isn't. see what I wrote above. Comcast is dupicating every single function of the Xbox one TV integration into their own cable boxes, and moving their DVR and video functions to the cloud.

And once again you are completely missing the point. The point is that MS will try to sell the Xbox One as a integrated media device. Just hook up your cable box and control the lot from the Xbox One interface. Add in Netflix, Hula etc... and it's a compelling sales point for folks who live in America.

Most of that will be useless for the rest of the world. Which is my point.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The issue is that people here are discussing a relatively small difference in power (in comparison to the consoles vs an enthusiast gaming PC) in a 27 page thread about how important this performance gap is for multiplatform games.

Do you not see the immense level of hypocrisy in these comparisons? You can certainly cite "I don't want a damn PC!" or "I dislike keyboard and mouse so I can't be competitive online!" and that's a fine opinion to have. But if multiplatform performance were SO important as to have a heated insane 30 page thread (Digital Foundry threads will probably be similar) then why consider a 500gf difference so large in comparison to a 2tf difference?

What hypocrisy ?
It's right in the thread title PS4 VS X1 power difference it has nothing to do with PC .
Who are you to tell people what should matter to them and how they should discuss it .

 

[longdi]

Let me guess, Edge "sources" are probably devs affiliated with Sony! Hence the deadon 8GB leak!

 

[Azull]

Maybe people could take this PC shit to mobile gaming threads where the power difference will shine even more (seriously, it'll be like showing the natives how to make fire -- just imagine!). Consoles are a different class of device, with different baselines and expectations.

I'd think this would be obvious.

This.

This thread isn't about pc vs. Consoles. Its xbone vs ps4 its right there in the freaking title. So stop derailing the thread and enough with elitism, fanboy calling crap some of you are spouting. Its fucking embarassing.

 

[Horp]

But in the minds of many of us, the PC doesn't even exist as a gaming platform. It doesn't even enter the equation.

But you don't speak for everyone. Are only people with your view of things allowed to post? Rest will be told to GTFO?

Unfortunately, no. MS's PR team hasn't exactly helped things the last couple of weeks, either. They're basically trying to prey upon anyone who can't read a spec sheet and get them to believe in a fantasy at this point.

Do they? There are people like AppleSexual and UnnDunn who take PR as gospel and refuse to believe the PS4 has a big advantage.

Ok fair point both of you. Go get em.

We woudl be the folks who hate how PC gamers always try to insert their platform superiority in every last console versus console thread on the internet. Most of the time, it's not really relevant.

There are some circumstances where it may be, such as the idea that all games are lowest denominator only (they clearly aren't). But there is no point to arguing PC versus console when trying to make a power comparison between two consoles because 'PC' isn't one set of specs, it's an infinite variety.

I mean, are you trying to compare the ps4 and Xbone to a $299 wal-mart special PC or a $400 bleeding edge rig? There is no baseline for apples to apples between console and PC.

But for many people it is a relevant comparison. You might have a good enough cpu, memory, mboard, but you might be thinking about plunking down 400 dollars on a new graphics card. Or a PS4. Or a graphics card... hmmm. How do PC with a 400 dollar graphics card and a PS4 compare? Voila.