Stealth_Cobra
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I wonder if they tazed the guy afterwards to cover up the mistake.
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Cop shoots unarmed man. Immediatley charged with voluntary manslaughter.
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Yeah, you can take that right away from my dead body, along with a lot of other people. You'd have to kill a lot of people to disarm the population.
You're insane.
Byakuya769
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I don't want to live in a country where the government actually takes away my ability to defend myself. What on earth makes you think that could possibly be an okay thing to do?
I know we'll never get rid of gun culture here. The problem though is that every cop ends up seeing every citizen as potentially armed and deadly, so they kill people based on this assumption. Not saying that's what happened here. They just saw a scary black man.
Sandbagged him a bit. We'll see what happens in trial.
Someone was acting erratically, just immune to less lethal force, not listening, and charging at you, an officer of the law thats authority is to respected by all citizens. They were in the range where if your sidearm is holstered, they would get to you before you could unholster and fire. Its easy to armchair general after the fact, and not fearing for your life from death/serious injury. Even if unarmed they could cause you serious bodily injury remember. If they're drugged up, they may have a disease that can be transferred to you.
We'll see how this pans out in court. This officers freedom is on the line, but so is his superiors career future and integrity.
Things are always knee jerk here when it comes to police. Especially if it involves anyone who isn't white. Let's see how the trial goes.
Instead of being so holier than thou smug I'd suggest to learn that people can kill or inflict serious life long injury with their bare hands, especially if they just shrugged off a jolt.
Just because someone's an officer doesn't mean they forfeit their normal human rights to a normal human life. Stop being so ignorant.
dead souls
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I don't know about this. I mean, if I'm home alone at night and some guy who is injured and may be acting erratically because of that fact is knocking on my door at 2:30AM you bet your sweet ass I'm calling 911.
Shit, there are plenty of cases of people knocking on doors saying they need help and then doing a home invasion. It's not her job or responsibility to figure out what's going on. The cop's overreaction is on him and I hope is he is convicted.
You don't forfeit your right to defend yourself just because you don't own a gun.
But excessive uses of force become more easily scrutinized since they aren't necessarily split-second hair-trigger decisions.
Because you were there and saw the victim tried to punch the cop?
Even the murderer could only say the guy ran towards him. That's it.
Victim blaming is a fun thing for you to do right?
And ignorant? I think you should look in the mirror. It's a perfect description.
Spring-Loaded
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Would you report it as a breaking and entering?
Zoe
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How do you know she didn't just say "there's a stranger pounding on my door and I'm really scared"?
Would not surprise me.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Simply using the word run is a vague way to describe his actions.
Did he charge at them like a raging dark beast filled with unbridled bloodlust?
Did he jog towards them favouring a leg or other injury that was sustained in the car crash believing that relief to his situation was in sight?
They say he continued to run even after hitting him with a taser.
This could mean after witnessing such a feeble attempt at stopping his onslaught he charged once more with renewed fury and destructive anger.
Or maybe being in a delirious, fatigued, concussed, tired state he continued to move towards the officers not immediately understanding what was happening to him. After all, why would they taze him? He didn't do anything wrong, he was just going to ask for help.
I wonder what he thought as the ensuing stream of gunfire pierced his body and sapped his strength. I really do wonder what kinds of thoughts would circle around your head as your blood pools beneath you. After being cut down by those who you thought were your saviours.
Just another entry to the list of wondrous happenings on planet Earth.
Did he charge at them like a raging dark beast filled with unbridled bloodlust?
Did he jog towards them favouring a leg or other injury that was sustained in the car crash believing that relief to his situation was in sight?
They say he continued to run even after hitting him with a taser.
This could mean after witnessing such a feeble attempt at stopping his onslaught he charged once more with renewed fury and destructive anger.
Or maybe being in a delirious, fatigued, concussed, tired state he continued to move towards the officers not immediately understanding what was happening to him. After all, why would they taze him? He didn't do anything wrong, he was just going to ask for help.
I wonder what he thought as the ensuing stream of gunfire pierced his body and sapped his strength. I really do wonder what kinds of thoughts would circle around your head as your blood pools beneath you. After being cut down by those who you thought were your saviours.
Just another entry to the list of wondrous happenings on planet Earth.
The police actually quickly decide that the firing officer was wrong, charge him with a crime, and place the other two officers who witnessed the incident on leave, and you STILL want to pin this on the dead guy?!? What more do you need to think the cop might have actually done something wrong here? I mean, even the cops are saying he was wrong here but you've got to pull out of your ass some bullshit about the dead guy maybe being on drugs. Wtf.
Spring-Loaded
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I read the story where it's said, according to the police report, police responded to a breaking and entering. I'm assuming police don't classify "someone I don't know knocked on my door" as "attempted breaking and entering."
Why would the police think it's a breaking and entering based on what was described, if she did only say "there's a stranger pounding on my door and I'm really scared"?
What about the guy that was killed? Who's right to life takes precedence?
The Cowboy
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This is the bit that gets me, I can't imagine what it would be like to be in an accident and surviving, then after trying to get help from people and getting doors closed on you - you see people who are meant to protect and help you (police) and then running towards them with hope, only to get gunned down when you get to them.
Its just sad.
Zoe
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It's up to the operator to provide police with the codes.
Spring-Loaded
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Then add the operator to the list of people who screwed up.
Big Baybee
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I like when people say he was charging at them. Almost like he's some kind of rabid animal.
Alligatorjandro
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So you cant even approach cops now?
MisterNegative
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So I really don't get it.
Is it not okay to run at the police in the US, like ever ? Even if you yourself are in trouble ?
Never run at police ?
Beat me to it by a minute haha
Is it not okay to run at the police in the US, like ever ? Even if you yourself are in trouble ?
Never run at police ?
Beat me to it by a minute haha
Devolution
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Black people's skin can deflect taser electrodes.
POWERSPHERE
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More guns, that'll fix it
TUROK
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These threads always boil down to logic vs emotion.
"How can you be so heartless?!"
"How can you be so ignorant?!"
Neither side will empathize with the other in most cases.
Makes me wish news agencies would report more on swimming pool deaths. I'd love to see the threads on here about that.
"How can you be so heartless?!"
"How can you be so ignorant?!"
Neither side will empathize with the other in most cases.
Makes me wish news agencies would report more on swimming pool deaths. I'd love to see the threads on here about that.
Well according to him the guy might have punched the cop to death. Anyone with two hands are dangerous. I guess the only solution is to shoot them all.
Why should anyone empathize with the killer of an innocent man?
yeah, it's also lovely how that claim goes unquestioned every. single. Time.
of course the guy who just survived a car crash was charging at the police like a raging Bull! Because that's just what people do in that situation. It's also awfully convenient that exactly that happened: it just so happens to be the only conceivable explanation that would not make the cop a murderer in this situation.
Kitschkraft
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Prepare for stories about high school fights, facebook pictures with "gang signs", tweets, and suspicions of being a drug dealer in 5...4....3...
Eighty Deuce
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I'm glad this topic spiraled into Gun control and victim blaming.
GoldenEye 007
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Why would you hope that? I don't think you can blame the homeowner at all.
SuperAndroid17
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This story seems incomplete....
Definitely big mistake, I feel a little bad for the officer considering he was entering the situation with bad information. I wonder why the guy was running at him, and why he didn't go down from the tazer. Concussion? Drugs/Alcohol? I think prosecution of the officer is the right thing to do here though.
Angelus Errare
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Jonathan A. Ferrell was driving home from a hood party in his rap car. He and many of his gangbanger friends had indulged in their favorite pasttime of Skittles and Arizona tea mixing. The radio was on and it's rhythmic music played loud enough to keep Jonathan aware of his surroundings. He was in a neighborhood he was did not know, nor was he a part of, but his eyes lit up as he saw the various mansions that littered the neighborhood. "Oh shit yo!, this is such a nice ass neighborhood, I know they have some nice shit to steal!" he thought to himself.
Still under the influence of his skittles and tea mix, Jonathan pulled his car over to the curb of a house. Looking at the time it was 2:20 am; "No one should be home right now, a good a time as any to do some looting!" Jonathan said under his breath. He slapped himself in the face to prepare for his B&E. Hopping out of the car Jonathan decided to take the direct approach. "I think I should knock on the front door, I'm black in an affleunt neighborhood, they'll totally let me in. Once inside I'll just hit the homeowner in the back of the neck and steal all their shit!." Smiling at how grand his plan was, Jonathan knocked on the giant oak doors to the manor. There was no answer, he stood for a few moments waiting to see if the owners were simply being slow in making their way towards the front door. He decided to knock again this time with a little more force, the door and it's frame bucked and strained under the strength of his ebony muscles before falling completely.
Standing in the hallway was a beautiful woman who's skin glowed in the moonlight, her angelic hair danced as the air from the outside made its way into the house. Her beautiful eyes met Jonathan's and she gasped with fear. "Please I don't want any trouble, just take everything and leave me alone!" She grabbed her phone and dialed 911 before Jonathan knew what happened, her speed was unnatural and completely caught Jonathan off guard. Regaining his composure he ran out to the yard deciding not to rob the manor in question.
Jonathan had just barely made it to his car before the cops arrived, this was shocking for Jonathan as where he comes from it usually takes the cops days to arrive at a crime scene. The officers stepped out of their car and pointed their lights toward Jonathan's direction. He hid behind his car and contemplated what he should do; "Young man behind the car, please come out with your hands where I can see them" spoke one of the officers in a clear voice. Jonathan was nervous, he knew he would be arrested on the spot for breaking and entering, sexual assault, driving under the influence, and assault with a deadly weapon. He had 2 prior convictions and knew this would be the end of him. Jonathan slowly moved from behind the car into the spotlight with his hands up.
The cop addressed Jonathan with the kindest voice he had ever heard. "Young man, please step forward and let's talk about this. I would like to hear your side of the story before we make any decisions on how we're going to deal with this entire thing." Officer Kerrick was smiling with his hand extended out in a gesture of friendship and trust. Every part of Jonathan wanted to trust the officer, but his thuggish savage nature would not allow such. Jonathan looked up into the sky and let out a beastial howl of defiance and like a mad man charged toward Officer Kerrick. Officer Kerrick was shocked, but his officer training kicked in and he pulled out his taser. He aimed and hit Jonathan square in the chest, the metal pongs dug into his skin and one could smell the flesh burning as the taser sent a devastating jolt to Jonathan. The taser did not stop Jonathan's charge, Officer Kerrick was shocked; "That was enough juice to knock out an elephant, he's not human!" he remarked. Officer Kerrick grabbed his cross around his neck and said a quick prayer for Jonathan then proceeded to pull out his service pistol. "Son, please stop I don't want to do this to you!" Officer Kerrick pleaded; but Jonathan could not hear his words, the animal had taken over. Officer Kerrick fired two shots into Jonathan's chest and he fell in place.
Officer Kerrick ran over to the young man's body and held him in his arms during his final moments, he watched the young man struggle to continue living and tears began to roll down officer Kerrick's face; "No!" he yelled, "you were too young, much too young!" Jonathan reached up to wipe Officer Kerrick's tears away. "D-do not be sad" Jonathan struggled to speak, he was losing blood quickly and his vision darkened. "You have f-freed me from this anger and h-hate." Jonathan's body went limp, the boy was dead. Officer Kerrick cried tears of pain. For many people, Officer Kerrick was a hero, but Officer Kerrick did not see himself as such, he was unable to save that young black man from himself and his culture.
Is this how Defense Force-GAF sees the article or something?
Still under the influence of his skittles and tea mix, Jonathan pulled his car over to the curb of a house. Looking at the time it was 2:20 am; "No one should be home right now, a good a time as any to do some looting!" Jonathan said under his breath. He slapped himself in the face to prepare for his B&E. Hopping out of the car Jonathan decided to take the direct approach. "I think I should knock on the front door, I'm black in an affleunt neighborhood, they'll totally let me in. Once inside I'll just hit the homeowner in the back of the neck and steal all their shit!." Smiling at how grand his plan was, Jonathan knocked on the giant oak doors to the manor. There was no answer, he stood for a few moments waiting to see if the owners were simply being slow in making their way towards the front door. He decided to knock again this time with a little more force, the door and it's frame bucked and strained under the strength of his ebony muscles before falling completely.
Standing in the hallway was a beautiful woman who's skin glowed in the moonlight, her angelic hair danced as the air from the outside made its way into the house. Her beautiful eyes met Jonathan's and she gasped with fear. "Please I don't want any trouble, just take everything and leave me alone!" She grabbed her phone and dialed 911 before Jonathan knew what happened, her speed was unnatural and completely caught Jonathan off guard. Regaining his composure he ran out to the yard deciding not to rob the manor in question.
Jonathan had just barely made it to his car before the cops arrived, this was shocking for Jonathan as where he comes from it usually takes the cops days to arrive at a crime scene. The officers stepped out of their car and pointed their lights toward Jonathan's direction. He hid behind his car and contemplated what he should do; "Young man behind the car, please come out with your hands where I can see them" spoke one of the officers in a clear voice. Jonathan was nervous, he knew he would be arrested on the spot for breaking and entering, sexual assault, driving under the influence, and assault with a deadly weapon. He had 2 prior convictions and knew this would be the end of him. Jonathan slowly moved from behind the car into the spotlight with his hands up.
The cop addressed Jonathan with the kindest voice he had ever heard. "Young man, please step forward and let's talk about this. I would like to hear your side of the story before we make any decisions on how we're going to deal with this entire thing." Officer Kerrick was smiling with his hand extended out in a gesture of friendship and trust. Every part of Jonathan wanted to trust the officer, but his thuggish savage nature would not allow such. Jonathan looked up into the sky and let out a beastial howl of defiance and like a mad man charged toward Officer Kerrick. Officer Kerrick was shocked, but his officer training kicked in and he pulled out his taser. He aimed and hit Jonathan square in the chest, the metal pongs dug into his skin and one could smell the flesh burning as the taser sent a devastating jolt to Jonathan. The taser did not stop Jonathan's charge, Officer Kerrick was shocked; "That was enough juice to knock out an elephant, he's not human!" he remarked. Officer Kerrick grabbed his cross around his neck and said a quick prayer for Jonathan then proceeded to pull out his service pistol. "Son, please stop I don't want to do this to you!" Officer Kerrick pleaded; but Jonathan could not hear his words, the animal had taken over. Officer Kerrick fired two shots into Jonathan's chest and he fell in place.
Officer Kerrick ran over to the young man's body and held him in his arms during his final moments, he watched the young man struggle to continue living and tears began to roll down officer Kerrick's face; "No!" he yelled, "you were too young, much too young!" Jonathan reached up to wipe Officer Kerrick's tears away. "D-do not be sad" Jonathan struggled to speak, he was losing blood quickly and his vision darkened. "You have f-freed me from this anger and h-hate." Jonathan's body went limp, the boy was dead. Officer Kerrick cried tears of pain. For many people, Officer Kerrick was a hero, but Officer Kerrick did not see himself as such, he was unable to save that young black man from himself and his culture.
Is this how Defense Force-GAF sees the article or something?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Because he was never hit by a taser while alive.
ryutaro's mama
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Everything fits except you forgot, Jonathan referred to himself as J-Dawg, not that silly "government name".
Sho_Nuff82
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Amazing.
Home invasions are more common than car accidents?
TUROK
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Because he's a cop. He's someone that people hate, someone people tend to target. Cops are people too, they're on edge. When someone behaves in a certain way towards a police officer that is out of the norm, it indicates a red flag.
Are you a police officer? Do you constantly deal with unruly people, people that may intend to cause bodily harm toward you, specifically?
He's obviously been charged with voluntary manslaughter, so he must not have been following procedure, but that doesn't excuse some of the ridiculous conspiracy theories in this thread.
Zoe
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Car accidents culminating in someone frantically going door to door in the middle of the night aren't so common.
You as well are not following what I'm saying. Its hard to imagine being in that officers shoes. You are trained one way, you also have your personal mental analysis at hand, as well as self preservation kicking in. Officers are human beings as well.
You don't know what's going on. Someone ignoring commands, acting crazy, taser not having an impact meaning there's a real treat on hand. Officers have fallen to people calm and acting like motorists who are having car trouble. You know this, hell, we were shown these videos caught on camera in our police academy. Officers are willing to put their lives on the line obviously every day you'd put on the uniform. You may run to the burning car to pull someone out. You maybe would try to subdue someone physical like this. Or self preservation kicks in like for anyone else, and in the end you want to see your loved ones for sure tomorrow.
You don't forfeit your life when wearing the badge, making $55k a year, or $10/hour with no health care.
There's probably more to this than we know, for better or for worse for the officer. Let's see what the trial uncovers here. This isn't open and close yet, details are needed is all. So let's not get all /fuckdapolicegaf yet, and look at things openly. It doesn't sound open/close yet.
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