Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Did you ever show up to your TFC pools? I remember your pool judge threatening to DQ you for not showing when I was walking by.
Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 16-22 | EVO does a 360 and walks away
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Rice-Eater
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Did you ever show up to your TFC pools? I remember your pool judge threatening to DQ you for not showing when I was walking by.
My post from the TFC thread, it was a sad sad day for me.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Lost Fragment
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There were more females in the front row of that JP Capcpom Cup qualifier than will attend American majors this year.
Baleoce
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cheers buddy, gonna watch all of this now.
It's at the Tokyo Game Show.
QuikZilver
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Lost Fragment
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People on twitter acting like there are a lot of people who think Makoto is weak. Is there actually a lot of people who think Makoto is weak?
If there are, those people are wrong as fuck. She's not a great tournament character though. Better tourney character than she was in pre-2012 AE though.
If there are, those people are wrong as fuck. She's not a great tournament character though. Better tourney character than she was in pre-2012 AE though.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
based on my own experiences, people think she's a novelty char., Hakan status. Like its cool to see her, but no one will take you seriously lol.
Makoto is great, best dash in the game, hits like a truck, maybe just not as easy to pick as other characters.
Also, just finished watching the finals and man, Haitani.......too stronk, shoutouts to MarkMan and MadCatz for the amazing event, the amazing exhibitions and the amazing everything
People still salty about the nerfs she got from AE to AE 2012.
CadetMahoney
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pretty much.
Lost Fragment
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Yeah that's always kind of puzzled me because the nerfs she got barely matter. Meanwhile, Yun, Yang, and Fei to a lesser extent got nerfed a lot harder, and she got slaughtered by those characters in that version of the game.
She still has a hard time with those characters, but those matches are a lot more manageable now. I don't think she has any 3/7s anymore except maybe Cammy.
She's probably better off overall than she was in vanilla AE.
That's why we need that esports money. So we can hire women to come to our events too
I agree, a lot of people just look at changes in a vacuum.
Also, twitch replay is desyncing. The video is slower and audio is fine. When's twitch getting replaced? They can't even get their shit straight.
DryEyeRelief
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For people who just watch streams and don't even play, a character either sucks or is overpowered. There is no in between.
Lol. Cammy Makoto is not a 7-3. That match is even at worst. Both characters have the ability to rush each other down and each have the tools to keep the other out. Makoto is also one of the few characters Cammy doesn't get a mixup on knockdown because of Fukiage, and you can't safe jump it unless you combo into sweep/backthrow, which will lose to ex karakusa.
Makoto has been a slept on character since the Super days when people thought she was bad. The only issue with her is that there aren't enough people playing her at the highest level and are constantly downplaying her. I think she's top 10 for sure.
Fei constantly being called Top 5 even though he's not really putting up results to back that up: totally because he's a bad Shoto matchup and people are basing it on their personal experiences. The character is definitely kinda miserable and un-fun to play against, and definitely gets too much advantage off some of his moves, but I suspect he's still going to be overrated after the (deserved) nerfs because he's still going to retain the matchup edge.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Cammy has a far easier time getting Makoto than Makoto has, plus better defensive option.. She's just more high risk.
and lol Super Mak did suck, she was not competitive.
Cosmo Clock 21
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This Jelly Belly competition on the NorcalDogfight stream is more entertaining that it should be
How so? Makoto has no problems anti airing Cammy unless it's ex dive kick, in which case you either focus or go for the air to air. Mid range game is even for the most part. The only time I'd say Makoto is losing is when she's in the corner, but that's the same situation for Cammy. Both characters have to take a risk. That's the point of Makoto, she's a high risk character that gets rewarded by overwhelming and reading her opponent. If Cammy tries to punish a wakeup backdash or going for a left/right mixup by jumping and Makoto does fukiage instead, then that's 300+ damage and a corner push just for guessing wrong (depending on meter).
And yeah, Makoto was decidedly weaker in Super, but people were going nuts talking about she was bottom 5 when that really wasn't the case.
twothunder
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Yeah. Makoto vs Cammy is certainly not an even match up.
Cammy can do the damage that Makoto does ,but she's faster ,safer and like ~Devil Trigger~ already said. Has better defence options and easier time getting in.
Frankly. Makoto is a great character. Underused ,but pretty good. Still. I certainly wouldn't put her equal to Cammy ,Fei Long or even Sakura.
Cammy can do the damage that Makoto does ,but she's faster ,safer and like ~Devil Trigger~ already said. Has better defence options and easier time getting in.
Frankly. Makoto is a great character. Underused ,but pretty good. Still. I certainly wouldn't put her equal to Cammy ,Fei Long or even Sakura.
EarlyEarly
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A lot of people on twitter think their character is weak or others are too strong.
Fei is definitely top 5.
"God's Beard!"
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Speaking of bottom five, where's all the Dudley players at?
Looking at the last 600 posts, it looks like I missed some amazing matches.
Just started watching the archive linked earlier (http://www.twitch.tv/capcomfighters/b/464023587) and Twitch is even acting up with the playback. I don't want to wait for the Youtube uploads, but I just might have to at this rate.
Just started watching the archive linked earlier (http://www.twitch.tv/capcomfighters/b/464023587) and Twitch is even acting up with the playback. I don't want to wait for the Youtube uploads, but I just might have to at this rate.
Parallax Scroll
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Twitch archives became sort of unwatchable a few months back.
Rice-Eater
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Daigo and Infiltration getting blown up and Haitani's FT5's against Juso and Mago were the highlight of the tournament for me and probably most folks who tuned in to watch. Unfortunately a lot of great matches happened off stream like Haitani taking out Ryan Hart despite looking pretty free the day before.
EarlyEarly
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I figured they would have used the Mad Catz stream to show the off stream matches but unfortunately it didn't go down like that.
Just watched the top 8 of the qualifiers last night (had to crash, it was late here), goddamn that was some great matches. So goddamn happy Haitani won, although who would have predicted that going in?
No other game actually makes me want to play it more than watching high-level AE play. I love Marvel, but watching high-level play in that certainly doesn't make me want to play it lol. I have AE 2012 but no stick, and way too broke to buy one, and I have a fightpad but I just can't seem to do stuff I need to do on it that I can on a stick. I'm mostly holding out for Ultra, but now I'm not sure what version to get (360 or PS3).
No other game actually makes me want to play it more than watching high-level AE play. I love Marvel, but watching high-level play in that certainly doesn't make me want to play it lol. I have AE 2012 but no stick, and way too broke to buy one, and I have a fightpad but I just can't seem to do stuff I need to do on it that I can on a stick. I'm mostly holding out for Ultra, but now I'm not sure what version to get (360 or PS3).
Parallax Scroll
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Is that Chris G money match going down today at Team Pie?
Yep on Arturo's channel
8 out of 10 characters introduced in Super were mediocre to ass.
Makoto was definitely in the ass category.
She may have been above other bottom feeders like Dan, Hanak, T.Hawk, GOuken etc but she was not really worth
shindoku21
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Good point. Personally, I don't think that effect would happen pool of players where everyone is focusing on improving. Maybe in high level competition...
I've helped run tournaments at small gatherings. The goal was to improve the player pool skill. There was a big gap from who was good and who wasn't good. Through some trial and error, we established that the general rule should be, if we had less than 8 entrants, round robin -> top 2 play 3/5 grand finals, single elim. If more than 8 entrants, double elim. In the trial and error process, we actually did round robin regardless of the player count. I don't think people understood it and they actually wanted double elim all the way. After some explaining and more tournaments, they actually liked it. Also, a lot of people liked round robin because they felt they got more bang for their buck. Lower-level players didn't like the feeling of 0-2 and appreciated they got the feel of matchups with some pressure on the line, being it is a tournament. That's exactly what we were trying to accomplish. Time did become in issue and that's how the general rule was established, but I don't think I ever came across the issue you just pointed out.
And then there used to be a small tournament with a decent cash prize. They kept having them every week for about two months. My friends and I would go and reap the rewards. Heck, OnlineTony and Hugo101 started showing up. I don't know why the pot monsters kept showing up but they did. There was never any improvement from them. If it was round robin, it would give them more room for learning and experience.
There was a team tournament hosted by LevelUp that took the best players from the major regions of California. Qualifiers were held in each region. I thought I had a good shot in my region. The qualifier was round robin and going in, I tallied up in my head of who I knew I could beat and who I knew I couldn't. In the end, I lost EVERY matchup. There was a point I knew I was out of the running but I really wanted a win. I didn't even think of throwing away matches. From then on, the incentive for me was pride and to improve my game.
You bring up a good point but personally, I've never experienced it. I could see it happening though, especially if one doesn't understand the format and how it could benefits them.
Starts at 4pm EST IIRC, should be good #GYSW
sixteen-bit
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I couldn't agree more
ShinMaruku
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Thankfully we don't get that any more.
Poor Canada Cup
Surprised Ricky hasn't switched to Tekken yet, w/ his day job and all.Thankfully we don't get that any more.
AnkiRendan
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Once Pokemon X and Y come out, I'll be finished with fighting games for a bit. I'll probably play some SF and TTT2 in Japan when I go at the end of next month.
It's Sunday, Team PIE today. ChrisG vs Chin for 100. Lots of other OG's coming out. I know it's not a major event but it should be hype.
At the end of the day concept matches >> tournaments imo (in terms of hypeeeee and what people want to see with minimal downtime)
With the amount of complaining that Mike Ross does on Capcom games you would think he has dabbled in games like Tekken now which reward his "honest, intelligent and read based game play".
He will probably play for a few hours, get beaten by "random gimmicks/mix ups" and quit.
He will probably play for a few hours, get beaten by "random gimmicks/mix ups" and quit.
Rice-Eater
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Canada Cup, Shadowloo Showdown, and to a lesser extent, the Singapore and Taiwan Capcom Cup qualifier that should definitely attract the attention of the Japanese who hasn't made it so far. I'd say if you're a big SF4 fan you're good for a while. Fans of Marvel and other games may be in a bit of a drought.