GAF-Hop |OT9/9/99| African Substitute Teachers Run NY
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i never knew what their beef was anyway... theres more pac songs out there probably but i hope they get released one day
njean777
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I thought "The Language" was a subliminal shot at Kendrick tbh. But it may have been recorded before Kendrick dropped Control.
CountBlack
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I was thinking it could've been recorded before Control too, but like.. its so obvious.
njean777
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Yeah it seems obvious, but who knows. I think KEndrick should stay out of beef with Drake. It isn't a contest, Kendrick would walk all over him. I like Drake, but he is taking this way to hard.
Damn, Philthy Rich went in on the boy boy Messy Marv
Philthy Rich - The Ice Queen, The Girl Girl, The Bebe Store (Kafani, Messy Marv ,DB The General, Lavish D Diss)
Philthy Rich - The Ice Queen, The Girl Girl, The Bebe Store (Kafani, Messy Marv ,DB The General, Lavish D Diss)
IrishNinja
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agreed with esch's last post on controls, PP that drizzy freestyle was a little too hard for his lane tho
literally no idea where you're drawing this from, even reading your follow up posts
eh not too bad, not too much to get really excited for - i think that Slaughterhouse one was a fair call
was about to ask for a receipt but fuck that one you put up...super ugly
already deleted, what'd it say?
ahahaha when was this? any chance this is what got drizzy on those recent interviews talkin like walt on gray matter?
...i didn't ask for this
literally no idea where you're drawing this from, even reading your follow up posts
eh not too bad, not too much to get really excited for - i think that Slaughterhouse one was a fair call
was about to ask for a receipt but fuck that one you put up...super ugly
already deleted, what'd it say?
ahahaha when was this? any chance this is what got drizzy on those recent interviews talkin like walt on gray matter?
...i didn't ask for this
PhoenixDark
Banned
Budden really showing why his career as a rapper is dead. Your "bars" aren't impressive breh, and you can't write a song to save your life.
I've always rated lyrics on a couple different levels. One is the idea of lines wasted: the fewer wasted with wack or forgettable lines, the better the verse. To me when I think of rappers who didn't waste lines I think of Rakim and early 90s GZA. Rappity rap dudes tend to waste a lot of lines as they set up their doper lines/punches, but some like Kool G Rap manage to not waste lines.
The second is the poetry or content of the lyrics. This is the most variable concept to me. Someone can have a rather "simplistic" verse that is very impressive in terms of being poetic, and someone can have a super technical verse that is also very impressive. Budden seems to put all his focus and respect in technical verses - the problem is that technically Budden does some interesting things, but he rarely has anything interesting to say, and wastes lines with corny shit.
The thing I like about Kendrick is that he mixes the poetic and technical aspects of lyricism with ease. The storytelling alone on Sing About Me is impressive technically, and the song is full of internal rhyming. Each verse is also quite poetic and full of very vivid metaphors and words.
In short, I don't believe Budden and other lyrical miracle cats respect poetry. To them, Kendrick is a simple rhymer who tells stories. Also consider the hypocrisy: I've seen these types dismiss Rigormortis, which is a quite impressive on a technical level, as trash because "he's not saying anything." Yet if you ask them to give you an example of impressive lyricism they'll give you some lyrical miracle spiritual shit about how many ways some rapper can kill/fight/fuck someone.
I've always rated lyrics on a couple different levels. One is the idea of lines wasted: the fewer wasted with wack or forgettable lines, the better the verse. To me when I think of rappers who didn't waste lines I think of Rakim and early 90s GZA. Rappity rap dudes tend to waste a lot of lines as they set up their doper lines/punches, but some like Kool G Rap manage to not waste lines.
The second is the poetry or content of the lyrics. This is the most variable concept to me. Someone can have a rather "simplistic" verse that is very impressive in terms of being poetic, and someone can have a super technical verse that is also very impressive. Budden seems to put all his focus and respect in technical verses - the problem is that technically Budden does some interesting things, but he rarely has anything interesting to say, and wastes lines with corny shit.
The thing I like about Kendrick is that he mixes the poetic and technical aspects of lyricism with ease. The storytelling alone on Sing About Me is impressive technically, and the song is full of internal rhyming. Each verse is also quite poetic and full of very vivid metaphors and words.
In short, I don't believe Budden and other lyrical miracle cats respect poetry. To them, Kendrick is a simple rhymer who tells stories. Also consider the hypocrisy: I've seen these types dismiss Rigormortis, which is a quite impressive on a technical level, as trash because "he's not saying anything." Yet if you ask them to give you an example of impressive lyricism they'll give you some lyrical miracle spiritual shit about how many ways some rapper can kill/fight/fuck someone.
rappity rap guys remind me of when i really used to play jazz and classical guitar in highschool. So many neckbeards bigging up shit like Paganini and shred stuff just because it's a fast and furious deluge of notes. And just like those guys would beat off to some dude doing six string sweeps and shit, rappity rap dudes dont really care about content or even style really.
Buddens was talking some chit about "can anyone even name 5 quotable kendrick verses"
Fucking Problems is nothing but quotables.
MuddyDonut
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Uhh, y'know she want this dih
PhoenixDark
Banned
Exactly. Good way of looking at it: it's why Mos Def will always be doper than Talib Kweli. Def was never as...wordy as Kweli, yet as a song writer he was always leaps ahead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeTnog5RRQo
Kweli is undeniably dope on that record...but Mos' first two lines carry more weight than Kweli's entire verse to me. Common's verse is also "simpler" than Kweli's but carries more weight.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
IrishNinja
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^knew it was respiration (or maybe thieves in the night) before even clicking
PP i agree with a lot of what you're sayin there, summed it up better than ive been able to argue with a slaughterhouse stan that's a friend of mine. to borrow a rushed boxing analogy: fans who wanted tyson explosive KO's (or causal rocky fans wanted haymakers blocked with your face) dont care for Mayweather fights where he dances around & picks his opponent apart & gives them nothing, but as a boxing fan i love watching the technique. those dudes want more chances taken & more explosive deliveries, and oddly in my head it feels more rappity rap-esque as far as what they're willing to put up with just for those moments...all the missteps & wasted movements are fine as long as there's that hajime no ippo wrecking ball of a closer.
rigormortis is a good example of k-dot weaving in both lanes, but even if there was any doubt that he could paint pictures & also possessed that technical range, i don't think many can argue it past GKMC. it's likewise nice to have that without that other canibus-type lane of dictionary pages being thrown together at the wall in hopes that something strikes you as hard/clever.
PP i agree with a lot of what you're sayin there, summed it up better than ive been able to argue with a slaughterhouse stan that's a friend of mine. to borrow a rushed boxing analogy: fans who wanted tyson explosive KO's (or causal rocky fans wanted haymakers blocked with your face) dont care for Mayweather fights where he dances around & picks his opponent apart & gives them nothing, but as a boxing fan i love watching the technique. those dudes want more chances taken & more explosive deliveries, and oddly in my head it feels more rappity rap-esque as far as what they're willing to put up with just for those moments...all the missteps & wasted movements are fine as long as there's that hajime no ippo wrecking ball of a closer.
rigormortis is a good example of k-dot weaving in both lanes, but even if there was any doubt that he could paint pictures & also possessed that technical range, i don't think many can argue it past GKMC. it's likewise nice to have that without that other canibus-type lane of dictionary pages being thrown together at the wall in hopes that something strikes you as hard/clever.
PhoenixDark
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seriously? Kendrick has the most quoted line on the damn song ("girl, I know you want this dick"). And I don't even like his verse.
ASAP probably has the weakest verse.
IrishNinja
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well...it's a cipher. i mean, it's like asking why people don't wanna see the Harlem Globetrotters play during the regular NBA season; that shtick doesn't work if the Washington Generals are busy doing charity work or something
CountBlack
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Bronson mad he got stuck with Lil Kim in the cypher
Net_Wrecker
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As a recovering Budden fan, I don't think he's really a "lyrical miracle" rapper, at least not before the Shady deal. He's a punchline rapper. When he mentions "quotables" he's not talking about some "Dead in the middle of little Italy, little did we know that we riddled some middlemen who didn't do diddly...." etc. etc putting mad words together because it sounds good kind of rappity rap, he's talking about stand out punchlines, or hard lines in general. I don't really know where I'm going with this other than that lyrical miracle rappers aren't necessarily the same as punchline rappers. Canibus is lyrical miracle. Budden is (or was) punchlines, as well as the rest of the guys from that DJ Clue / Desert Storm / Triangle Offense camp, and everyone else in that 2001-2005 mixtape scene. Eminem tries to be both, and used to try his hand at the poetic/storytelling side as well but........
And Budden's definitely not the worst of the bunch with entire tapes/albums made up of introspective material. He's just the loudest, especially since the internet became a thing for hip-hop.
And Budden's definitely not the worst of the bunch with entire tapes/albums made up of introspective material. He's just the loudest, especially since the internet became a thing for hip-hop.
IrishNinja
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also during that era, budden's stans became some of the loudest/worst out that i'd see. some spots on SOHH & the like had dudes preaching his shit like new christians after converts, it's the kinda thing i'd see from some Canibus stans before most of us had internet
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
I too am a recovering Budden fan. He never was a lyrical miracle type of guy, before: he was a punchline rapper, which was the wave. In terms of storytelling, he was never complex, but could weave interesting stories in a simplistic manner, due to how emotional and on edge he sounded. He can't really even do that now...
To be honest though, K.dot can be lyrical miracle as fuck too, but gets a pass. As much hate as that was, him and Drake ain't to far off from the truth. That probably has a lot to do with how we consume music more than anything?
To be honest though, K.dot can be lyrical miracle as fuck too, but gets a pass. As much hate as that was, him and Drake ain't to far off from the truth. That probably has a lot to do with how we consume music more than anything?
Have a good morning guys, after working today I will have put in a total of 60 hours this week!...Fuck Retail.
Anyway enjoy this neo-soul gem by Jay Electronica's cousin - http://youtu.be/iN1B8o1AXbE
Anyway enjoy this neo-soul gem by Jay Electronica's cousin - http://youtu.be/iN1B8o1AXbE
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I don't think so..
"But at least a ni**a ni**a rich!"
is by far the most quoted line.. that line shuts the club down...
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Rastafarian42
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I'm pretty sure that Kendrick line is a meme too.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Eh? He diverges into nothing raps as fast as everyone else does.
Yep.
Besides, that line ain't even spectacular. That's like saying Nas has quotables, and then using a line from Oochie Wally or some shit. :/
Yep.
Besides, that line ain't even spectacular. That's like saying Nas has quotables, and then using a line from Oochie Wally or some shit. :/
Pretty cool. Dat kick drum could use a lil more bass though, but the pattern was straight.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Good looking!
As he should.
Im just going to have to disagree. Probably my favorite kendrick verse.
PhoenixDark
Banned
In clubs in Japan? Congrats breh. Is this before or after they get hype for Chingy lmao
In America, Kendrick has the most quoted line by far. Which makes it the most quoted line. It's even a meme now.
what is this I don't even
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Dude, you're just trolling the Kanye OT, right?
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